The Official Arrow Video Thread

[sjt]

I suspect that in the year of the French elections they decided to tone down the visuals (far more apposite and striking) for a film that isn't so much about the Nazi Occupation of France as its Nazi collaboration.

[Mike0284]

Originally Posted by Ste7en

LIMITED EDITION AVAILABILITY 25/5/2017:

Is Phenomena their fastest sellout?

[Jack.A.Napes]

Originally Posted by Mike0284

Is Phenomena their fastest sellout?

Could well be, though the HOUSE boxset might run it close.

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by Jack.A.Napes

Could well be, though the HOUSE boxset might run it close.

What about The Scarlet Box of Hellraiser? Didn't this sell out before release date?

[Ste7en]

I didn't realise Phenomena was sold out. I was in Darlington yesterday and they had three sets in HMV for 25 quid.

There have been a few that were OOP before release (which boils my piss). I honestly think that 'regular' people need a chance to pick these releases up as well.

Videodrome and Society both sold out pretty fast as well. The House set fiasco people are experiencing from Amazon would just stop me buying LEs altogether.

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by Ste7en

I didn't realise Phenomena was sold out. I was in Darlington yesterday and they had three sets in HMV for 25 quid.

There have been a few that were OOP before release (which boils my piss). I honestly think that 'regular' people need a chance to pick these releases up as well.

Videodrome and Society both sold out pretty fast as well. The House set fiasco people are experiencing from Amazon would just stop me buying LEs altogether.

I agree, but it's less amazons fault more Arrows or whoever releases the limited stuff. They should for fairness have a limited set, for collectors and a standard for those that buy on a whim or not dedicated collectors, people that don't use forums to help purchase etc.
They don't number these releases, although they should, so there is nothing stopping them running off another 1000 say to supply those that are experiencing this issue and help support their fans as we are expected to support them (on this fourm anyways).

[Ste7en]

The LEs are licensed for so many copies.

I wonder how the market would take to a tandem release of the LE and the regular edition. It could give collectors a bit extra wiggle room as casual buyers would probably opt for the cheaper option.

[ToweringInferno]

I'm a long time reader but first time poster on the thread, I was just wondering if there is any chance of Arrow picking up Ti West's House of the Devil from Metrodome like they did with Donnie Darko. What do you guys think and do you agree this would be a good release for Arrow?

[ravenus]

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

They don't number these releases...so there is nothing stopping them running off another 1000 say to supply those that are experiencing this issue and help support their fans as we are expected to support them (on this fourm anyways).

Other than the fact that fans who pre-ordered them for being Limited Editions will be mighty pissed if they see those same editions going for less than what they ordered it because the label printed additional copies. No Ltd Ed should be re-printed at least without a significant gap. Also bonus content / writing on LE's may be licensed for a specific no of copies - if they want to print more, they may have to re-negotiate those licenses.
Twilight Time's fans have been burned by them re-printing cult LE titles, with additional features in the 2nd pressing, making them look like fools for having put 30$ for the original barebones editions.
In the case of Arrow, anyone who wants the film will get a decent regular edition later, so why the tears?

[ravenus]

Originally Posted by ToweringInferno

I'm a long time reader but first time poster on the thread, I was just wondering if there is any chance of Arrow picking up Ti West's House of the Devil from Metrodome like they did with Donnie Darko. What do you guys think and do you agree this would be a good release for Arrow?

Arrow might pick it if they feel they can do a noticeable transfer improvement and have access to the original 16mm negative. Ti West is interesting but hit and miss. I found his Innkeepers dull and overlong.

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by ravenus

Other than the fact that fans who pre-ordered them for being Limited Editions will be mighty pissed if they see those same editions going for less than what they ordered it because the label printed additional copies. No Ltd Ed should be re-printed at least without a significant gap. Also bonus content / writing on LE's may be licensed for a specific no of copies - if they want to print more, they may have to re-negotiate those licenses.
Twilight Time's fans have been burned by them re-printing cult LE titles, with additional features in the 2nd pressing, making them look like fools for having put 30$ for the original barebones editions.
In the case of Arrow, anyone who wants the film will get a decent regular edition later, so why the tears?

Why? This practice only stops scalpers on eBay who aren't interested in the movie or owning the limited extras. These guys are selling stuff like this for 3 times the price, limited stuff only feeds them.

A high percent of people on here would like to own these films and have the booklet, have genuine interest in owning this for their own enjoyment. Why would it matter if it is worth £10,£30 or £200? You're not buying to sell. In fact, if anything happened to your collection out of your control and you had to replace it, you probably never could as x% no longer exists.

I keep seeing posts on here about supporting these small labels, buy direct I'm paying a little extra but I'm supporting them, I'm buying day one cause I'm supporting them, I might not want this title but by buying it and good sales might lead to another I do like... etc etc. When do these labels turn around and say, we see on these forums (and they do look) so many of our customers having problems or struggles etc so we have run off another 1000 and they're available on our site.

If you have this set, like I do, there is no number on it it's not got 0035/3000 or whatever. Would anyone really know or care if 4000 or 6000 were out there somewhere?

[ToweringInferno]

I agree that he can be hit and miss, I enjoyed The Innkeepers more on my second viewing but my partner hated. I though The Sacrament was okay as well but not great and the less said about Cabin Fever 2 the better.

[Ste7en]

Originally Posted by ravenus

In the case of Arrow, anyone who wants the film will get a decent regular edition later, so why the tears?

Perhaps ask the same question in the House thread

I know Arrow are not to blame for the Amazon fiasco. But if an additional 1000 copies were pressed (increasing the original LE print run, not as an addition) people may not be in the situation they are now.

I feel like there are more and more issues with LEs and people losing out. Despite the current pressings being increased (didn't they used to be 3000 now 4000 or even 5000 is the norm). Okay, we all know 10000 is a bit OTT but 5000 should be the minimum I'd say now.

I think it is the Lego effect. People are buying to resell, like they are with Lego.

[Jack.A.Napes]

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

Why? This practice only stops scalpers on eBay who aren't interested in the movie or owning the limited extras. These guys are selling stuff like this for 3 times the price, limited stuff only feeds them.

A high percent of people on here would like to own these films and have the booklet, have genuine interest in owning this for their own enjoyment. Why would it matter if it is worth £10,£30 or £200? You're not buying to sell. In fact, if anything happened to your collection out of your control and you had to replace it, you probably never could as x% no longer exists.

I keep seeing posts on here about supporting these small labels, buy direct I'm paying a little extra but I'm supporting them, I'm buying day one cause I'm supporting them, I might not want this title but by buying it and good sales might lead to another I do like... etc etc. When do these labels turn around and say, we see on these forums (and they do look) so many of our customers having problems or struggles etc so we have run off another 1000 and they're available on our site.

If you have this set, like I do, there is no number on it it's not got 0035/3000 or whatever. Would anyone really know or care if 4000 or 6000 were out there somewhere?

I think there's a psychology behind the limited edition model. Add nice bells and whistles, classy packaging that appeals to collectors and hardcore fans, and make it clear that this 'luxury' product is finite, to light a fire under those who want it.

It's an instant return for the label, money in the bank from preorders and release day sales, and it rewards those keen enough to purchase early. If the package wasn't limited, people would be in no great hurry and it would merge with all the other stuff that's flooding the market. It'd be on a 'to buy' list, and many would just wait to see it discounted in sales one day, prioritising something else that is limited. That'd be a bigger loss for the label as the special edition would've cost more to produce in the first place. Same thing on a smaller scale with booklets in the first pressings of standard release titles.

The problem comes when titles instantly sell out on preorder before people have had a fair chance, which I guess is when the label underestimates the demand and doesn't produce enough. And of course the dreaded scalpers, who buy with the sole intention of selling on for profit at a later date.

At least if someone misses out on the deluxe version, a standard option is usually offered later. Less costly to produce and already part financed by the limited edition sales.

[Pikylechu]

The big problem is that if you release a limited edition of a product, you have to actually make it limited or you lose validity. People are encouraged to buy something if they think they'll miss out if they don't buy it. Arrow's LEs are really worth the premium and so more people want them, meaning they sell out faster.

The issue with selling a standard edition alongside an LE is that a percentage of people will elect to buy it, so you may not sell all the units of your LE. LEs are specifically made to sell out as close to release day as possible and NOT suffer any price cuts. That's much of the reason that Arrow can afford such quality releases - they've developed themselves as a brand well enough that they can be fairly confident any LE they produce will sell out at least 60% on preorders alone. In a certain sense, they rely on early sales of LEs and first-print editions, because they know that eventually they will have to sensibly mark down subsequent vanilla releases for 5 for £30 etc.

Now, if a certain person misses out on an LE then that's obviously disappointing, but it's effective as a marketing model because the same person will rarely take the chance of missing an LE again.

[Ste7en]

Originally Posted by Pikylechu

The issue with selling a standard edition alongside an LE is that a percentage of people will elect to buy it, so you may not sell all the units of your LE.

Which is exactly my point. Give the collectors a fair crack of the whip. 'Normals' will opt for the regular editions, collectors for the fancy ones.

Unless you think 'normals' are buying the LEs already. They aren't, they don't even know about them until they are OOP, often before the release date.

I'd say it is something worth trying out to see how it affects sales. Imagine a day and date release of Evil Ed, regular and special edition. I'd be very curious to see how it went.

It isn't clown shoes. Other labels do it, they have been for years. Look at the impending Artificial Eye release of The Handmaiden for example.

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by Ste7en

Which is exactly my point. Give the collectors a fair crack of the whip. 'Normals' will opt for the regular editions, collectors for the fancy ones.

Unless you think 'normals' are buying the LEs already. They aren't, they don't even know about them until they are OOP, often before the release date.

I'd say it is something worth trying out to see how it affects sales. Imagine a day and date release of Evil Ed, regular and special edition. I'd be very curious to see how it went.

It isn't clown shoes. Other labels do it, they have been for years. Look at the impending Artificial Eye release of The Handmaiden for example.

Yeah, isn't this similar to a big blockbuster release which has standard, collectible toy and steelbook.
I think like with Hellraiser, Phantasm or even The Burning. A fancy packaging edition, which collectors can jump on if they wish, but a straight forward standard release alongside. Which none of these offered straightaway but added (maybe Phantasm will also).
But stuff like Videodrome, Society and I'm sure Thief. All were announced and confirmed almost immediately that a regular is also coming. If you want the film you won't miss out.

As it stands, there are no plans for House, standard set or individually. It's now a while oop and oos so Arrow wouldn't be losing on sales to suggest yes it's on its way soon. Why not? So if 'normals' (like it) want this tough.

I would agree with anyone that argues it costs nothing to preorder and all places stocked this weeks after release.

[Pikylechu]

Originally Posted by Ste7en

Which is exactly my point. Give the collectors a fair crack of the whip. 'Normals' will opt for the regular editions, collectors for the fancy ones.

I see the logic, but it doesn't promote the same level of financial return. For almost every release that saw simultaneous standard edition release, or where the number of units was too high (Battle Royale, Texas Chainsaw 2), the limited editions really lost their value. Whereas limited release first and then a standard release has been a successful business model for arrow, so why change it?

[Ste7en]

Good point. Again, one look at the House thread would make me think the current business model is potentially outdated.

Like I say, this isn't the first time we have had LE shenanigans.

[BudBaxter]

Let's face it, a 'standard' release of the House movies is inevitable given the fast sell out of the LE. We know it, they know it.

I just wish Arrow would put us out of our misery & announce it already, if only to kill the ridiculous scalper prices on ebay & Amazon.