James Bond: The Ultimate Collection (1962-2012) + Volume Collections

[1924]

Dalton's Bond was exactly like Daniel Craig. But his movies flopped. Guess people didn't want that kind of Bond at that time

[LeeFanatic007]

Originally Posted by kemcha

There's a reason why I've never liked Timothy Dalton's portrayal of Bond, but I think the other members have hit on the reason why he's often disliked. It also threw me off that the films he was in had a cold open, where the films didn't start with the opening salvo of Bond being handed his mission orders from M and that Q was mostly non-existent. I found On Her Majesty's Secret Service to be a better film that Dalton's two outings as the British spy.

You mention that Q was mostly non-existent in the Dalton films, and I have to disagree.

In The Living Daylights he has his usual Q-Lab scene and a couple other small scenes.

In Licence to Kill though, Q has his largest role in any movie. Q goes to Central America and actively helps Bond on his mission for a large chunk of the film. That's one of the reasons I liked Licence to Kill so much.

If anyone was non-existent in the Dalton films it was Miss. Moneyponey, her scenes in Licence to Kill are very minute, she overhears M talking about Bond having gone rouge then calls Q branch, that's really it. Living Daylights is a little better for her but not much.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by 1924

Dalton's Bond was exactly like Daniel Craig. But his movies flopped. Guess people didn't want that kind of Bond at that time

No, his Bond was pretty grim and makes Craig's look like Roger Moore in comparison.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by 1924

Dalton's Bond was exactly like Daniel Craig. But his movies flopped. Guess people didn't want that kind of Bond at that time

Not exactly, but he was more like Craig than any previous Bond.

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

The PG-13 version of Licence To Kill IS the uncut version. It was trimmed a bit for violence outside of the US, I think in the UK, but not in the US.

It's uncut NOW in the US.

The MPAA gave it a new PG-13 rating for the UE DVD and Blu.

The theatrical, VHS, LD, and SE DVD editions were cut by 10 secs for violence and gore.

The UK version was cut previously worse, but is now also uncut.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Markgway

They settled on LICENCE, using that spelling worldwide, America included.

If I remember originally it was going to be called Licenced Revoked, but US audiences associate that with having their drivers' licences taken away. I guess licences to kill weren't that common ...

[ChromeJob]

I think it was the rsult of focus group folly, thinking audiences could not fathom what that meant. I mean, "James Bond, OO7, license revoked, do you think that means he can't drive the Aston Martin now?" Stoopid.


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[Patsfan123]

Originally Posted by DVD Phreak

Anyone know the UV expiration dates of the 23-disc and 24-disc sets? The set came out over a year ago, and some UV codes don't last that long.

Fox is usually 3 years from the release date. They even print the date on the back of case sometimes. Although I've never had a UV code actually expire on me despite being redeemed past the date listed.

[Vertigo2010]

Originally Posted by chip75

If I remember originally it was going to be called Licenced Revoked, but US audiences associate that with having their drivers' licences taken away. I guess licences to kill weren't that common ...

I believe it was changed because the use of the word Revoked tested negatively with US audiences, the reason given (as my learned friend above has mentioned) that most associated it with the DMV and some outright didn't understand it at all. The American market was a big concern for EON back in 88/89. They knew they were competing against a newer style of action movie as it was feared that Lethal Weapon and Die Hard were going to make Bond seemed old and hackneyed by comparison. Coupled with the fact that they were dropping the movie in the middle of summer filled with Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Batman, Ghostbusters 2, The Abyss, Lethal Weapon 2 etc, made them extremely nervous.

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by ChromeJob

I think it was the rsult of focus group folly, thinking audiences could not fathom what that meant. I mean, "James Bond, OO7, license revoked, do you think that means he can't drive the Aston Martin now?" Stoopid.


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Yes, that's the official reason that has been bandied about for decades now, putting the blame squarely on alleged American ignorance for the title change. I have to say though that Licence Revoked is a pretty crappy title anyway. Licence To Kill is a punchier title and has the added bonus of being a phrase familiar to even the most casual Bond fan. It also has a touch of irony to it, seeing as throughout most of the film Bond is operating WITHOUT his LTK (seeing as how it's been revoked). This connects it spiritually to On Her Majesty's Secret Service because throughout much of THAT film Bond is motivated not by his duty to Queen and Country but by his obsession with catching Blofeld and his love for Tracy.

[jonam]

Was glad to attend the Roger Moore charity tribute at my local Odeon. There must have been around 40 people there. When Sir Rog rolled in with his gun barrel in the Spy there was a strange eerie tinkle down my back for a brief second. The quality of both movies was excellent. The Production and Art Design for Spy still looked amazing after 40 years. No wonder it received the Academy nominations for both. The audio on both movies was splendid. I made out background chatter that I swear that I have not heard before on my home system.

After watching both I finally realised that The Spy Who who Loved Me IS the ultimate Roger Moore Bond movie. It has the right blend of action and one liners. It is definitely the better version of You Only Live Twice which it heavily borrows from.

A true testament and pure best of British from a Gentleman Bond.


R.I.P Sir Rog.

[Brown]

Originally Posted by 1924

Dalton's Bond was exactly like Daniel Craig. But his movies flopped. Guess people didn't want that kind of Bond at that time

Despite having a fine reputation, Dalton seemed to fumble the dark moments in Licence. I thought he was excellent in The Living Daylights, though.

To be fair Licence was hurt by its trimmed budget and the struggling studio. In addition, I have always felt that the Bond movies which had major portions take place in the U.S. somewhat "de-glamour-ize" the character.

[Rich65]

Actually neither of Dalton's Bond films were flops. The Living Daylights was successful and Licence To Kill, even though it did not do well in the US, still made $159 million worldwide on a 36 million dollar budget. If MGM wasn't going through it's financial difficulties and had been able to promote it better and would have had the sense to move it to the fall to get away from a very crowded summer, I think the movie would have fared a lot better. It is a pity Dalton did not do at least one more film but when all the legal stuff happened with the rights that took years to resolve I can't say I blame him for stepping down.

[Markgway]

Unlike some fans, I've never had a problem with the Licence to Kill title.

He's James Bond - Licence(d) to Kill.

Makes perfect sense and is much cooler than Licence Revoked.

I also feel that the Licence of the title refers not only to Bond's official Licence, but a self-granted one in the form of revenge.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by Markgway

Unlike some fans, I've never had a problem with the Licence to Kill title.

He's James Bond - Licence(d) to Kill.

Makes perfect sense and is much cooler than Licence Revoked.

I also feel that the Licence of the title refers not only to Bond's official Licence, but a self-granted one in the form of revenge.

People actually think Licence Revoked is better?

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

People actually think Licence Revoked is better?

I've heard that many times.

[imsounoriginal]

The sad part is that not enough people knew what Revoked meant

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by jonam

Was glad to attend the Roger Moore charity tribute at my local Odeon. There must have been around 40 people there. When Sir Rog rolled in with his gun barrel in the Spy there was a strange eerie tinkle down my back for a brief second. The quality of both movies was excellent. The Production and Art Design for Spy still looked amazing after 40 years. No wonder it received the Academy nominations for both. The audio on both movies was splendid. I made out background chatter that I swear that I have not heard before on my home system.

After watching both I finally realised that The Spy Who who Loved Me IS the ultimate Roger Moore Bond movie. It has the right blend of action and one liners. It is definitely the better version of You Only Live Twice which it heavily borrows from.

A true testament and pure best of British from a Gentleman Bond.


R.I.P Sir Rog.

It was definitely the quintessential Moore Bond movie, the one where he really hit his stride. After the low key nature of his first two, Spy was truly epic and everything from the Union Jack parachute to the Lotus Esprit was made to be a crowd pleaser. I think it was Moore's personal favourite too.

[Trekkie313]

With the talk ofLicence To Kill, thought I'd shill my custom cover/poster I did years ago.

[MJD64]

Licence Revoked is not actually a better title than Licence To Kill, but when the basis of that particular title change stems from the fact that too many people were ignorant of the meaning of the word revoked, it gains a certain notiriety.

Often when I'm driving, I seriously question whether their isn't a similar widespread ignorance of the word "yield".

Fun fact: That same summer, Fox marketing discovered a similar ignorance among the populace of what an abyss was, but James Cameron held firm; and look what happened to the box-office returns on that one...