A Serbian Film (2010)

[bipbop13]

Originally Posted by TheBoss062

What exactly are you a fan of? You're not edgy or brave just because you managed to finish the entire thing. You actually enjoyed it and got entertainment value from this thing?

Myself;Yes.Are you really asking someone to defend their tastes in film? SMH.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by bipbop13

Myself;Yes.Are you really asking someone to defend their tastes in film? SMH.

How dare you get enjoyment out of something that's obviously objectively impossible to derive any sort of enjoyment from at all, you sick and twisted bastard.

[dkelly26666]

I always felt this film is so absurd it borders on camp at times. It also was a lot more professional and polished than I thought it would be, like it had a decent size budget. In any case, I think it has been terribly overstated how 'disturbing' and 'shocking' this film is. I think some younger people think it's so out there because either they haven't seen much, or because they aren't disturbed by some older films because there is perhaps a distance or separation for them when a film is dated or older, but a newer film strikes them more. Anyway, I wasn't 'offended' by this film, as it's all cinematic and obviously fake (even the infamous scene is an obvious practical effect DOLL) , but I failed to ever take it seriously, either. Any film where a guy shoves his erect member into a gangster's eye-socket and skull-f**ks him to death is just plain silly to me....

[TripleHBK]

Originally Posted by TheBoss062

What exactly are you a fan of?

The special effects, the sound design, the sheer insanity of the film, the amount of balls it took for the actors to take part in it, the director to create/direct it, the studio to release it, etc.

Originally Posted by TheBoss062

You're not edgy or brave just because you managed to finish the entire thing.

I'm not? damn...

Originally Posted by TheBoss062

You actually enjoyed it and got entertainment value from this thing?

I could ask the same question to people that watch youtube videos all day, reality television, pornography, or any other number of sub genres of entertainment.

I myself enjoyed A Serbian Film as I view it as the top of the mountain of what can be included in a horror film while not completely falling into unpublished underground territory. This is a very well made film that shines through in it's professionalism from start to finish. I could edit the film significantly for content and it wouldn't change that fact. During my initial viewing it left me stunned and quite literally depressed for a week. Films that can incite that level of reaction can and should be appreciated by folks that are capable of handling the content held within. Books, paintings, sculptures, music all have their content creators that are viewed as dangerous, without merit, and subversive. Art can be enjoyable for the mainstream or it can be subversive only enjoyable to a select group of people. Horror films themselves can be enjoyed on many levels. People often seem to forget that the primary purpose of a horror film however is to be horrified, repulsed, and/or scared and when it presents content that does just that they fail to see the value in the product.

I can respect that the film isn't for you and that you consider it a pile of steaming garbage. Honestly, I'd be more worried if there weren't more folks that didn't share your opinion. This is not a film you just decide to tune into one day and watch. It's not a film that you dare your buddies to watch the way that many did during the likes of Cannibal Holocaust's early days and other early 80's video nasty's. No, this is a film that a person needs to work up to. If your love of the horror genre and film has you enjoying content from a variety of outlets and creators and you find yourself ok with films like Saw, Hostel, and the french extreme films such as Martyrs, then perhaps you're ready to for A Serbian Film. If however any of the above still "get to you" and you find yourself wincing or unable to watch (and appreciate) the carnage in those films, then you have no business even considering A Serbian Film.

Just because I know how to change the oil in my car doesn't make me prepared to undergo a transmission change myself. Similarly, just because a person says they "like horror movies" doesn't mean they are ready for the content in A Serbian film.

[TheBoss062]

Originally Posted by bipbop13

Myself;Yes.Are you really asking someone to defend their tastes in film? SMH.

Oh because that never happens when discussing why people liked or didn't like a certain piece of art. People defend their tastes all the time when asked why or why they didn't. Are you actually suggesting people keep their opinions to themselves? Because I'm sorry but the world doesn't work that way. You'd probably get a more civil opinion from me than from anyone else on the internet so you better get used to it.

[Ihavecandygetnthevan]

more concern trolling

I am shocked

/s

[TheBoss062]

Originally Posted by TripleHBK

The special effects, the sound design, the sheer insanity of the film, the amount of balls it took for the actors to take part in it, the director to create/direct it, the studio to release it, etc.

You can literally find excellent and groundbreaking special effects in any other movie in existence. Alien, The Thing, Star Wars, and Blade Runner can give those to you I don't see why you have to go towards something like this for good effects. As for the sheer insanity and how you describe it just sounds like you enjoy watching senseless shock value regardless. The Witch is a better and more respectable example of a dark and insane story. This is an independent film, it doesn't seem like it would be hard to get released.

Originally Posted by TripleHBK

I'm not? damn...

Well, you boast quite often about how you were able to watch it in it's entirety so it sounds like you feel you accomplished some grand feat. Even if you could, how does this movie have any replay value? You said you'd own multiple copies so that's even more baffling.

Originally Posted by TripleHBK

I could ask the same question to people that watch youtube videos all day, reality television, pornography, or any other number of sub genres of entertainment.

I myself enjoyed A Serbian Film as I view it as the top of the mountain of what can be included in a horror film while not completely falling into unpublished underground territory. This is a very well made film that shines through in it's professionalism from start to finish. I could edit the film significantly for content and it wouldn't change that fact. During my initial viewing it left me stunned and quite literally depressed for a week. Films that can incite that level of reaction can and should be appreciated by folks that are capable of handling the content held within. Books, paintings, sculptures, music all have their content creators that are viewed as dangerous, without merit, and subversive. Art can be enjoyable for the mainstream or it can be subversive only enjoyable to a select group of people. Horror films themselves can be enjoyed on many levels. People often seem to forget that the primary purpose of a horror film however is to be horrified, repulsed, and/or scared and when it presents content that does just that they fail to see the value in the product.

I can respect that the film isn't for you and that you consider it a pile of steaming garbage. Honestly, I'd be more worried if there weren't more folks that didn't share your opinion. This is not a film you just decide to tune into one day and watch. It's not a film that you dare your buddies to watch the way that many did during the likes of Cannibal Holocaust's early days and other early 80's video nasty's. No, this is a film that a person needs to work up to. If your love of the horror genre and film has you enjoying content from a variety of outlets and creators and you find yourself ok with films like Saw, Hostel, and the french extreme films such as Martyrs, then perhaps you're ready to for A Serbian Film. If however any of the above still "get to you" and you find yourself wincing or unable to watch (and appreciate) the carnage in those films, then you have no business even considering A Serbian Film.

Just because I know how to change the oil in my car doesn't make me prepared to undergo a transmission change myself. Similarly, just because a person says they "like horror movies" doesn't mean they are ready for the content in A Serbian film.

With that first point you resorted to simply arguing semantics and making petty comparisons, you're splitting hairs. YouTube is extremely diverse with comedic, technology, makeup, film, and political content so there's no comparison. Reality Television is just comical because it's clearly exaggerated melodrama and it's just hilarious to watch. Pornography just provides arousal and a sexual release from your frustrations.

So what if it is well made from a technical standpoint? That's literally the only argument anyone can bring up when defending this movie as if that's all it has to offer, which it does. That means it's style over substance because it's hollow with no soul or storytelling value. Even garbage like Frontier(s) and Irreversible had some, if any, substance, and i still abhorred those trashy movies. If something like that genuinely left you disturbed I'm relieved because only a truly sick individual would walk away unscathed. That's not really an accomplishment, could someone be so insecure in their own sense of empathy that they have to watch shock value to remember their own moral compass? That already implies that there's something else wrong. To me a true horror movie exploits and preys on your fears and gives you a sense of adrenaline. It instills the fear of the supernatural, extraterrestrial, or the unknown. People don't fail to see that in Halloween because it executes it's point perfectly, the dread of a bogeyman that kills and is simply a force of nature that exists in our nightmares. Alien is an adjective and noun, it preys on the fears of the endless possibilities of any extraterrestrial life and what it's capable of. A Serbian Film does none of that, it's gross and only meant to disgust, not instill a sense of dread. It takes real talent to catch someone off guard and grab them at their most vulnerable. This film seems like it was just created by an attention wh*re who wanted the fame of controversy like with Salo or Cannibal Holocaust (another film i absolutely hate because i firmly believe that death has no place in art, no piece of art is worth the cost of lives even if they're only animals) and just happened to have a good eye for the technical aspects.

Yeah, at this point it's pretty obvious I detest this movie and you're right. It's so depraved I firmly believe only a truly sick individual could watch it without some form of resistance. I have never condemned violence in movies as long as I always felt that you had an artistic reason for incorporating it into the film logically. Shame is sexually charged but it earns it's place because it serves the plot artistically (even though it's sex but still). This has nothing else to talk about and the violence serves no greater meaning, it doesn't complement a message or a thought provoking subject, it merely is the center, invalidating it's purpose of inclusion. You're free to make any choices with your art but you'll never be free from the consequences of those choices, and this film most certainly wasn't.

[TheBoss062]

Originally Posted by Ihavecandygetnthevan

more concern trolling

I am shocked

/s

More actual trolling. I'm not surprised.

[wzollinger1]

Originally Posted by TheBoss062

So what if it is well made from a technical standpoint? That's literally the only argument anyone can bring up when defending this movie as if that's all it has to offer, which it does. That means it's style over substance because it's hollow with no soul or storytelling value. Even garbage like Frontier(s) and Irreversible had some, if any, substance, and i still abhorred those trashy movies. If something like that genuinely left you disturbed I'm relieved because only a truly sick individual would walk away unscathed. That's not really an accomplishment, could someone be so insecure in their own sense of empathy that they have to watch shock value to remember their own moral compass? That already implies that there's something else wrong. To me a true horror movie exploits and preys on your fears and gives you a sense of adrenaline. It instills the fear of the supernatural, extraterrestrial, or the unknown. People don't fail to see that in Halloween because it executes it's point perfectly, the dread of a bogeyman that kills and is simply a force of nature that exists in our nightmares. Alien is an adjective and noun, it preys on the fears of the endless possibilities of any extraterrestrial life and what it's capable of. A Serbian Film does none of that, it's gross and only meant to disgust, not instill a sense of dread. It takes real talent to catch someone off guard and grab them at their most vulnerable. This film seems like it was just created by an attention wh*re who wanted the fame of controversy like with Salo or Cannibal Holocaust (another film i absolutely hate because i firmly believe that death has no place in art, no piece of art is worth the cost of lives even if they're only animals) and just happened to have a good eye for the technical aspects.

Yeah, at this point it's pretty obvious I detest this movie and you're right. It's so depraved I firmly believe only a truly sick individual could watch it without some form of resistance. I have never condemned violence in movies as long as I always felt that you had an artistic reason for incorporating it into the film logically. Shame is sexually charged but it earns it's place because it serves the plot artistically (even though it's sex but still). This has nothing else to talk about and the violence serves no greater meaning, it doesn't complement a message or a thought provoking subject, it merely is the center, invalidating it's purpose of inclusion. You're free to make any choices with your art but you'll never be free from the consequences of those choices, and this film most certainly wasn't.

I think the fear of something horrible happening to your family/loved ones while you're powerless to prevent it is fairly universal.

[TheBoss062]

Originally Posted by wzollinger1

I think the fear of something horrible happening to your family/loved ones while you're powerless to prevent it is fairly universal.

The Conjuring movies, Poltergeist, and The Purge movies did it much better.

[GasmaskAvenger]

Boss is acting too morally uptight over something that really just something that's no more overtly shocking than your average AxCx song.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by TheBoss062

You'd probably get a more civil opinion from me than from anyone else on the internet so you better get used to it.

lol

[TheBoss062]

Originally Posted by GasmaskAvenger

Boss is acting too morally uptight over something that really just something that's no more overtly shocking than your average AxCx song.

Morally uptight? I'm not a prude by any sense of the word, but this movie is overly pervasive and exploitative for me and it's why I hate it so much. I don't know what music you're talking about but I now want to ask, have you seen this movie?

[Ihavecandygetnthevan]

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by TheBoss062

Morally uptight? I'm not a prude by any sense of the word, but this movie is overly pervasive and exploitative for me and it's why I hate it so much. I don't know what music you're talking about but I now want to ask, have you seen this movie?

When's your birthday, sweetie? I wanna send you a copy of the film in the post.

[iamnoone]

I don't know, the main appeal of this film for me was watching a character unknowingly get into a situation way over his head that keeps snowballing down and leading into more and more horrifying consequences. It's not so much about the depravity on display, but just a story about how someone's life and family can go down the toilet into Hell in an instant based on some very poor decisions. The explicit nature of the material just drives that point home with a lot more power than if it were some generic horror film with Dawson's Creek stars fighting off a ghost or boogeyman.

Get off the high moralizing self righteous zealot tower, and stop condemning others for not sharing your viewpoint and I assume "religious" morals. I have only watched the film once, I found it well made and disturbing, but also very effective in being disturbing. I'll pick up Unearthed's release when it comes out, and anyone trying to call me sick for saying so needs to stop being so judgmental about other people and take a good hard look in the mirror.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by TheBoss062

So what if it is well made from a technical standpoint? That's literally the only argument anyone can bring up when defending this movie as if that's all it has to offer, which it does. That means it's style over substance because it's hollow with no soul or storytelling value. Even garbage like Frontier(s) and Irreversible had some, if any, substance, and i still abhorred those trashy movies. If something like that genuinely left you disturbed I'm relieved because only a truly sick individual would walk away unscathed. That's not really an accomplishment, could someone be so insecure in their own sense of empathy that they have to watch shock value to remember their own moral compass? That already implies that there's something else wrong. To me a true horror movie exploits and preys on your fears and gives you a sense of adrenaline. It instills the fear of the supernatural, extraterrestrial, or the unknown. People don't fail to see that in Halloween because it executes it's point perfectly, the dread of a bogeyman that kills and is simply a force of nature that exists in our nightmares. Alien is an adjective and noun, it preys on the fears of the endless possibilities of any extraterrestrial life and what it's capable of. A Serbian Film does none of that, it's gross and only meant to disgust, not instill a sense of dread. It takes real talent to catch someone off guard and grab them at their most vulnerable. This film seems like it was just created by an attention wh*re who wanted the fame of controversy like with Salo or Cannibal Holocaust (another film i absolutely hate because i firmly believe that death has no place in art, no piece of art is worth the cost of lives even if they're only animals) and just happened to have a good eye for the technical aspects.

Yeah, at this point it's pretty obvious I detest this movie and you're right. It's so depraved I firmly believe only a truly sick individual could watch it without some form of resistance. I have never condemned violence in movies as long as I always felt that you had an artistic reason for incorporating it into the film logically. Shame is sexually charged but it earns it's place because it serves the plot artistically (even though it's sex but still). This has nothing else to talk about and the violence serves no greater meaning, it doesn't complement a message or a thought provoking subject, it merely is the center, invalidating it's purpose of inclusion. You're free to make any choices with your art but you'll never be free from the consequences of those choices, and this film most certainly wasn't.

You lost me at the bolded, and well, p much at the beginning. WHOOPS

[iamnoone]

Originally Posted by Ihavecandygetnthevan

[Show spoiler]

Haha! What's this gif from, by the way. I googled it and I see a bunch of photos of this "Wrap it up" box, but can't figure out what it's from. I assume a recent tv show?

[TripleHBK]

Originally Posted by TheBoss062

Yeah, at this point it's pretty obvious I detest this movie and you're right. It's so depraved I firmly believe only a truly sick individual could watch it without some form of resistance.

I can appreciate your point of view and that this is one topic where we just won't ever see eye to eye, but I did want to touch on this point at the end... I actually work in public service with developmentally disabled children, adults and their families to help them obtain the support they need to be successful in their lives and communities. I was brought up Catholic and am myself a fairly conservative individual. I spend my days helping others and working with people from all walks of life. Could I also happen to be a sick individual? Perhaps, but the rest of my life, the work I do, and my family would likely tell you otherwise. I prefer my life to be as consistent, routine, and vanilla as possible most days. Films like this are my release from the doldrums of an otherwise very boring, very average, and very uneventful life.

Originally Posted by iamnoone

Haha! What's this gif from, by the way. I googled it and I see a bunch of photos of this "Wrap it up" box, but can't figure out what it's from. I assume a recent tv show?

It was from an episode of the Chapelle Show if I remember correctly.

[Ihavecandygetnthevan]

Originally Posted by iamnoone

Haha! What's this gif from, by the way. I googled it and I see a bunch of photos of this "Wrap it up" box, but can't figure out what it's from. I assume a recent tv show?

Chapelle show