Movies - The Case for Violence, Sex, Gore, and other things In Your Movies

[Creed]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Honestly, every adult star I can think of who has children is married.



I would argue that the only goal is titillation. It certainly wasn't in Blue is the Warmest Color, or Mulholland Dr., or Blue Valentine. I could think of others, but off the top of my head those are what come to mind.

Take Blue Valentine for instance: It's hardly titillating in the first place. Whenever they have sex it ends some ugly argument or someone just being pissed off. I love the film and think it's some of Gosling and Williams best work. But I never was "turned on" by the sexual content -- it's disturbing.

I should watch BITWC again, but it's full of explicit sexuality, hell, the most wide known one goes on for several minutes! That felt like titillation, but I guess it shows the passionate chemistry between Adele and Lea.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by creed123

I should watch BITWC again, but it's full of explicit sexuality, hell, the most wide known one goes on for several minutes! That felt like titillation, but I guess it shows the passionate chemistry between Adele and Lea.

Oh like I said in an earlier post, it borders on pornography, really. Heck, it is NC-17, after all. I don't question you there. But it's also a very critical part of the development of the story and of the relationship between the characters. That's all I meant.

I'd love to see the broadcast TV or basic cable version -- it would be like 15 minutes long.

[Creed]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Oh like I said in an earlier post, it borders on pornography, really. Heck, it is NC-17, after all. I don't question you there. But it's also a very critical part of the development of the story and of the relationship between the characters. That's all I meant.

I'd love to see the broadcast TV or basic cable version -- it would be like 15 minutes long.

You're right on that aspect. Oh, the TV version would be weird. They would have to cut (hold on, let me go to kidsinmind/http://www.kids-in-mind.com/b/blueisthewarmestcolor.htm):

The 12 f-words, s-words, derogatory terms and ass.
Screw listing the sexuality since there's a lot.

Yeah, it won't be three hours, that's for sure.

[Talleyrand]

Well, de Palma basically copied Hitchcock but added in a bunch of sex and gore, and his ouevre is far more impressive, so I guess that's an argument in favour.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Phobics

So basically if you have kids you have to be a PC ninny and only do kid friendly things, even for work... I've seen a lot of people do this like Eddie Murphy but it is really a sham imo. I understand doing different things but to say parents are bad parents because they don't is just wrong. Words are words and sex is sex. Sheltering kids from these things doesn't work and creates a lack of trust and companionship. Would you have the same strong stance on a parent who's job deals with violence such as a cop or in the military? Violence and killing people is much worse of an example to set than words or sex imo.

Political correctness is about never offending anyone, even by accident. In other words, it requires you to never stand for what you truly believe in. That's very different from being a healthy role-model for kids, exhibiting the behavior you would like to see them adopt. Otherwise, the kids will wonder, "Why should I change, if my own parents don't?"

The fact remains that unconditional love does not require an unconditional relationship. By definition, those have no boundaries at all...which leads to extremely selfish children. Too many parents have become caught up, with trying to be their kids' "friend"...instead of a responsible guardian, authority, and influence.

[ITDEFX101]

What did you guys think of Good Kill? I actually liked this movie and it showed how killing someone from a remote location can mentally affect them thousands of miles away. It gave us a look of what these people have to deal with even if they don't have anyone shooting back at them.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by ITDEFX101

What did you guys think of Good Kill? I actually liked this movie and it showed how killing someone from a remote location can mentally affect them thousands of miles away. It gave us a look of what these people have to deal with even if they don't have anyone shooting back at them.

Ahh, I wanted to see that. It looks good. It has an interesting premise, as you pointed out. And I really like the cast. I'll have to see if it's streaming anywhere.

EDIT: Ahh, cool. It's on Netflix. Try and check it out tonight or tomorrow.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Political correctness is about never offending anyone, even by accident. In other words, it requires you to never stand for what you truly believe in. That's very different from being a healthy role-model for kids, exhibiting the behavior you would like to see them adopt. Otherwise, the kids will wonder, "Why should I change, if my own parents don't?"

The fact remains that unconditional love does not require an unconditional relationship. By definition, those have no boundaries at all...which leads to extremely selfish children. Too many parents have become caught up, with trying to be their kids' "friend"...instead of a responsible guardian, authority, and influence.

You cant teach a child something you yourself do not believe in. If you enjoy watching violent and sexually charged movies and tv shows dont expect your children not to follow your lead just because you might tell them otherwise

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[happydood]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Political correctness is about never offending anyone, even by accident. In other words, it requires you to never stand for what you truly believe in. That's very different from being a healthy role-model for kids, exhibiting the behavior you would like to see them adopt. Otherwise, the kids will wonder, "Why should I change, if my own parents don't?"

The fact remains that unconditional love does not require an unconditional relationship. By definition, those have no boundaries at all...which leads to extremely selfish children. Too many parents have become caught up, with trying to be their kids' "friend"...instead of a responsible guardian, authority, and influence.

'Political correctness' is a boogeyman illusion and one-size-fits-all scapegoat for locking social interaction into patterns (and the perceived breaking of them) that just don't fit the constant movement that life actually is. Content descriptions for sex and violence in movies can be super-helpful when you raise young children. It's not a judgement on content so much as a means of exposing your kids to certain things as they're ready for them.

All that said, I find it incredible that Crime procedurals and cable shows can show the most realistically gruesome content and a woman's chest is still forbidden. Makes not one lick of sense and is a judgement call on the part of censors. Whats considered mainstream is pretty unhealthy imho.

[FilmKoala]

I'll often go out of my way to watch movies with tons of nudity or gore (sometimes together!) because I enjoy it. Considering how many violent movies and sexploitation movies that have been made over the years obviously I'm not alone. Exploitation films in general cater to this audience. I'll watch and enjoy movies where the entire point is to show gore or nudity. I mean, why not? That's the beauty of the industry, if I want to watch a movie with a ton of blood just for the sake of seeing blood I have tons of options, and if I want to watch a more story-centered movie with no blood I still have tons of options.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by FilmKoala

I'll often go out of my way to watch movies with tons of nudity or gore (sometimes together!) because I enjoy it. Considering how many violent movies and sexploitation movies that have been made over the years obviously I'm not alone. Exploitation films in general cater to this audience. I'll watch and enjoy movies where the entire point is to show gore or nudity. I mean, why not? That's the beauty of the industry, if I want to watch a movie with a ton of blood just for the sake of seeing blood I have tons of options, and if I want to watch a more story-centered movie with no blood I still have tons of options.

I love exploitation movies, too. They balance out the puritanical side of things nicely.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

As others have pointed out, it is all about context and content. Movies like Fight Club or Spring Breakers just could not be toned down for PG-13. Logan is another good example. I mean, I love X2 too. But Logan is a harder, darker story. I can't even imagine what a PG-13 version would look like. And I almost always just write off horror films that are PG-13. Though there have been some decent ones.

OTOH, something like Wonder Woman was fantastic, and it mostly took place in a war setting without going overboard with the violence.

As for sex, I'm with Foggy on this one: I don't get some people's obsession with not seeing nudity or sexual activity. For one thing, they wouldn't even be here to complain if someone hadn't had sex in the first place. That being said, not everything needs to be like Blue is the Warmest Color, which to be frank borders on porn. It's certainly not for everyone, but I think it's a really well made, engrossing and moving film.

Oh, and a comedy like Clerks has to be R. Because let's face it, if you met two guys like Dante and Randall in real life that's exactly how they'd talk.

EDIT: I see I was just beaten to the punch on the Clerks comment.

I've been wanting to see Blue is the warmest color for a while now and your post about it just solidified it for me even more now!

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by happydood

'Political correctness' is a boogeyman illusion and one-size-fits-all scapegoat for locking social interaction into patterns (and the perceived breaking of them) that just don't fit the constant movement that life actually is. Content descriptions for sex and violence in movies can be super-helpful when you raise young children. It's not a judgement on content so much as a means of exposing your kids to certain things as they're ready for them.

All that said, I find it incredible that Crime procedurals and cable shows can show the most realistically gruesome content and a woman's chest is still forbidden. Makes not one lick of sense and is a judgement call on the part of censors. Whats considered mainstream is pretty unhealthy imho.

Medical studies galore have proven over the years, how harmful explicit content is to a child's brain...and how much it influences their behavior. Not all kids become psychos, obviously...but that doesn't mean they're free from the impact. Ratings exist mainly to protect kids and teens from more extreme fare, but I agree about the standards constantly shifting around. There needs to be a set limit on each type of content; otherwise, the studio can take a gamble and release it unrated. There's no law demanding MPAA submission, but theater owners generally don't trust unrated films...and often, with very good reason. The whole problem could be solved by parents and studios both being more responsible...but that's not a very popular idea these days.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by happydood

All that said, I find it incredible that Crime procedurals and cable shows can show the most realistically gruesome content and a woman's chest is still forbidden. Makes not one lick of sense and is a judgement call on the part of censors. Whats considered mainstream is pretty unhealthy imho.

I've thought that often before. For instance, as a fan of "Criminal Minds" -- which is on CBS for crying out loud -- I've seen some seriously sick stuff on that show. I mean, some young woman is being tortured and screaming her head off, crying. But yeah -- boobs, no way.

It's sort of a messed up set of priorities. Torture: OK. Breasts: No way.

What does that say about our society?

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

I've been wanting to see Blue is the warmest color for a while now and your post about it just solidified it for me even more now!

Definitely worth seeing. Probably more than once. There's a lot going on with regards to symbolism and sub-themes, and the like. It definitely took me multiple viewings to pick up on a lot of that. But just on the surface it's a beautiful, engrossing love story with two fantastic, complex characters.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

I've thought that often before. For instance, as a fan of "Criminal Minds" -- which is on CBS for crying out loud -- I've seen some seriously sick stuff on that show. I mean, some young woman is being tortured and screaming her head off, crying. But yeah -- boobs, no way.

It's sort of a messed up set of priorities. Torture: OK. Breasts: No way.

What does that say about our society?

That some people still consider sex as sacred, instead of throwing it in front of everyone.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Definitely worth seeing. Probably more than once. There's a lot going on with regards to symbolism and sub-themes, and the like. It definitely took me multiple viewings to pick up on a lot of that. But just on the surface it's a beautiful, engrossing love story with two fantastic, complex characters.

Awesome! Sounds like a solid blind buy.

[Creed]

Agree with Aaron.
You can show a LOT of violence on TV, even more than a PG-13 film but sex is a no-no.

Gotham, a show I love, has an abundance of violence and blood that sometimes reaches TV-Ma territory. I mean, Christ.

[shinobipopcorn]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

That some people still consider sex as sacred, instead of throwing it in front of everyone.

A bare breast isn't always sex, though. The nudity in Clash of the Titans is a good example. Danae is just feeding her baby and later walking with her son on a beach.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by creed123

Agree with Aaron.
You can show a LOT of violence on TV, even more than a PG-13 film but sex is a no-no.

Gotham, a show I love, has an abundance of violence and blood that sometimes reaches TV-Ma territory. I mean, Christ.

Someday I need to start watching that show. I've heard it's really good.

Don't even get me started on "Law and Order: SVU." Some of the stuff that happens, or is discussed on that show -- I couldn't even talk about here in detail without getting suspended. I'm not kidding.

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

A bare breast isn't always sex, though. The nudity in Clash of the Titans is a good example. Danae is just feeding her baby and later walking with her son on a beach.

Not to mention that nudity isn't a big deal to many, many peoples of the world at all. Not in the slightest. Hell, go to a beach in France sometime.

And sex sacred but human life isn't? How does that work, exactly?