MoviePass

[cinemaphile]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

The past doesn’t matter, they’ve officially updated their terms and conditions and notified everyone via email. I personally don’t mind abiding by such rules. I will even stick around if they raise their prices (to a degree).

1) apparently it wasn't really updated - it was never changed in the first place LOL
2) can't say they've notified everyone - I haven't gotten this email, nor have my 3 friends who have MoviePass

[steve_dave]

I read the "new" terms and conditions...

They updated some sections but didn't alter others. The stand out is that you agree to use a kiosk only but the site instructions say to use either the box office or kiosk.

[Destinys Memory]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

The past doesn’t matter, they’ve officially updated their terms and conditions and notified everyone via email. I personally don’t mind abiding by such rules. I will even stick around if they raise their prices (to a degree).

Yep. Just received the e-mail. The tweets/facebook/whatever is irrelevant now.

They can terminate your account if you see a movie more than one time.

They can also dump you if they determine you are just using them to mine points.

2.17 You agree that MoviePass may, its sole discretion and without prior notice, suspend your subscription or terminate your account and MoviePass card on a temporary or permanent basis, and block your access to the site for any or no reason, including but not limited to the following:

(viii) You purchase tickets for a purpose other than viewing a movie, such as to earn theater loyalty program points.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by russdornisch

ummm. not sure how I see buying a ticket per day using the card is against term's of service, whereas it states in the terms you can't use the card for any other movie besides the one you checked in for. He isn't going against the terms, you are.

Originally Posted by Destinys Memory

Yep. Just received the e-mail. The tweets/facebook/whatever is irrelevant now.

They can terminate your account if you see a movie more than one time.

They can also dump you if they determine you are just using them to mine points.

2.17 You agree that MoviePass may, its sole discretion and without prior notice, suspend your subscription or terminate your account and MoviePass card on a temporary or permanent basis, and block your access to the site for any or no reason, including but not limited to the following:

(viii) You purchase tickets for a purpose other than viewing a movie, such as to earn theater loyalty program points.

russdornisch’s gonna flip. [emoji23]

[cinemaphile]

I like how they say they can terminate it at their discretion for any or no reason (which is their right) but then go on to list reasons. LOL. I'm pretty sure the previous line already covered everything.

All of this is just the usual legal stuff, the only part that ever got me is that they say they can determine you're using it too much or to see too many movies. I'm not sure how that's possible since your service offers a movie every day.

[Destinys Memory]

Also of interest in these updated terms:

Originally Posted by MoviePass

2.17. You agree that MoviePass may, its sole discretion and without prior notice, suspend your subscription or terminate your Account and MoviePass Card on a temporary or permanent basis, and block your access to the Site for any or no reason, including but not limited to the following:

(ix) On more than one occasion during any thirty (30) day period you do not view the movie for which you purchased a ticket with your MoviePass Card in its entirety.

They could, in theory, add functionality similar to Cinemark's Cinemode to the app that would track where you are during the movie (leave the theater during the movie, they would know).

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

I read the "new" terms and conditions...

They updated some sections but didn't alter others. The stand out is that you agree to use a kiosk only but the site instructions say to use either the box office or kiosk.

That's probably a response to AMC and Regal employees denying some people using Movie Pass cards. They don't want to deal with customer complaints or requests for reimbursements when they paid out of pocket after a box office employee denied them.

I haven't gotten the email (though I did get a survey and ad offer email from them earlier, probably coming later or slight chance I didn't get it cause I haven't seen a movie more than once through them), but not really surprised. I even thought the current business model was sustainable, and looking at their past, they have a history of changing prices and terms & conditions, as I always said with this $10 price point, don't count on it as a long term movie solution but rather enjoy it while it lasts.

[cinemaphile]

Originally Posted by Destinys Memory

Also of interest in these updated terms:

(ix) On more than one occasion during any thirty (30) day period you do not view the movie for which you purchased a ticket with your MoviePass Card in its entirety.

I suppose they could be tracking your location to see if you are at the theater during your chosen showtime. Who knows - maybe they already have been this whole time! - But what if we turn off our phone or location after buying the ticket?

I actually don't mind them closing all these loopholes - There is a better chance they will stick around (and maybe not jack up the price) if people don't abuse it. I know I have briefly considered ways to get around restrictions, but the only thing I ever actually did is purchase a ticket for points ONCE when I happened to be next door. Now I know they're getting serious, I won't even attempt anything other than normal use.

[DanTheMan]

Originally Posted by Destinys Memory

(ix) On more than one occasion during any thirty (30) day period you do not view the movie for which you purchased a ticket with your MoviePass Card in its entirety.

They could, in theory, add functionality similar to Cinemark's Cinemode to the app that would track where you are during the movie (leave the theater during the movie, they would know).

Wait, so now, hypothetically, people cannot walk out early if they so choose to because they're obligated to stay for the entire runtime?

One of the purposes of MoviePass was to watch films you wouldn't otherwise give your money to. If a certain film was so poorly executed or even something simple as having to exit the theater early because of an emergency/priority, you'll be penalized for that?

Originally Posted by cinemaphile

I suppose they could be tracking your location to see if you are at the theater. Who knows - maybe they already have been this whole time! - But what if we turn off our phone or location after buying the ticket?

I always turn my phone on silence and airplane mode. Should I probably keep it that way until I leave the building, or maybe turn it back on prior to leaving? It's all so ridiculous.

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by Destinys Memory

Also of interest in these updated terms:



(ix) On more than one occasion during any thirty (30) day period you do not view the movie for which you purchased a ticket with your MoviePass Card in its entirety.

They could, in theory, add functionality similar to Cinemark's Cinemode to the app that would track where you are during the movie (leave the theater during the movie, they would know).

(x) If you use your MoviePass Card for any purpose other than to purchase a 2D movie ticket at a theater kiosk, or we have reason to believe that you have done so, you acknowledge and agree that we have the right to charge a fee of $25 (twenty-five U.S. dollars) (“Penalty Fee”) per occurrence on the form of payment you provided to us for your MoviePass subscription. If you believe that you have been charged a Penalty Fee in error, you may contact customer service to dispute the charge within 60 days of incurring such charge.

They already use location services for the theater check-in, so that's probably a pretty easy solution to check if people are just buying tickets for loyalty points and then not attending the movie.

As I mentioned I did the Fathom events thing one time, during the first weekend I had the card and found out It was sold out when I got to the theater, so used Movie Pass to go to Wrath of Khan. I still doubt they can actually find out about that (at least for the classic movies, Fathom are not more expensive than a regular ticket, and even location services would show me at the theater), but didn't want to do that again after finding out it was against the rules, so for instance saw Little Shop of Horrors (great movie BTW) out of pocket.

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by DanTheMan

Wait, so now, hypothetically, people cannot walk out early if they so choose to because they're obligated to stay for the entire runtime?

One of the purposes of MoviePass was to watch films you wouldn't otherwise give your money to. If a certain film was so poorly executed or even something simple as having to exit the theater early because of an emergency/priority, you'll be penalized for that?



I always turn my phone on silence and airplane mode. Should I probably keep it that way until I leave the building, or maybe turn it back on prior to leaving? It's all so ridiculous.

I think the one occasion in 30 days does allow for an emergency at least. But yeah, definitely suggests you shouldn't walk out of a movie (not that I like doing that anyway).

I typically put my phone in airplane mode before the movie as well, and then turn it back on during the credits. That would still show me at the theater, and I can't imagine they would encourage people leaving phones on for the movie.

[NullUser]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

It definitely works but I haven’t quite seen more movies because of it yet, but I’ve been traveling. It is sad that Regal is trying to push back, as they’re the biggest chain here. However, I can just go straight to the kiosk

Originally Posted by steve_dave

AMC and Regal want to push back against this?

Not a problem, I have some fantastic smaller chains that offer a better experience. Studio Movie Grill actually invested money in Movie Pass so the executives there understand how beneficial this is.

OK. So I won't get Stubs or Crown Club funpoints guickly but I'll be racking up Galaxy points. Of course, that's assuming AMC and Regal can find a legal way to refuse a prepaid MasterCard.

I racked up 40k Regal points in my first month with the card. Never had a problem using MP in Regal theaters

Regal's official statement on this was that they would "wait and see." AMC were the ones trying to push back

[NullUser]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

I read the "new" terms and conditions...

They updated some sections but didn't alter others. The stand out is that you agree to use a kiosk only but the site instructions say to use either the box office or kiosk.

The kiosk stuff was already in the old version of the ToS. I never had an issue using the box office at the Regals here

[ITDEFX101]

Are they ****ing serious???

-So we have to keep data/gps on after we check in just to prove that we using it?
-The whole part about point mining. Regal has been putting out their free popcorn/5k/free ticket every time you come in these past 3 weeks. I am sure the app called the home server and saw that users were mostly not in the area of the theater after check in.

In my opinion they shot themselves in the foot when they did the whole 1 movie a day for 10 bucks. If I go see a movie and check in and use their card, it shouldn't matter if I stay around for the movie or just walk out. The theater should not care as they got their money. All we are doing is wasting a little bit of gas and time (some of us).
I don't like the idea of GPS and data being forced on if that becomes a condition after check in. Some phones will start heating up if there is a signal loss inside the theater (due to the construction of the theater). I don't want to deal with a battery drain and warm/hot phone because of this. With enough documentation, people could file a suit against MP if there is proof that the app is causing overheats/battery drain if left on too long.

So this pretty much shoots down seeing Star Wars/Justice League more than once huh?
I wouldn't be surprised if the app all of a sudden grays out the movie once you saw it using movie pass. Doing an exchange/swap out multiple times will flag you with the theater as they might catch on.

I am going to be watching this situation carefully.

[Leonidas King]

All I know is that I hope this sticks around until late November cause I have Thanksgiving and BF off + the weekend

[cinemaphile]

Sorry to repost, but this got quickly buried a couple pages back, and I didn't want to move forward on it until I was sure people were okay with me doing it.

Originally Posted by cinemaphile

I was thinking of rebooting this thread with a new OP with a complete FAQ and explanation of how it works to avoid all the repeat questions. The original OP of the thread was made in 2012, and the person who made it hasn't been on the site in almost 5 months.
I figured I already run the movie cash thread, and this kind of falls into the same category, so I might as well step up and help out

Does anyone have any objections? Obviously I would be open to input and suggestions from everyone to make sure it is complete.

[Leonidas King]

Originally Posted by cinemaphile

Sorry to repost, but this got quickly buried a couple pages back, and I didn't want to move forward on it until I was sure people were okay with me doing it.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by ITDEFX101

Are they ****ing serious???

-So we have to keep data/gps on after we check in just to prove that we using it?
-The whole part about point mining. Regal has been putting out their free popcorn/5k/free ticket every time you come in these past 3 weeks. I am sure the app called the home server and saw that users were mostly not in the area of the theater after check in.

In my opinion they shot themselves in the foot when they did the whole 1 movie a day for 10 bucks. If I go see a movie and check in and use their card, it shouldn't matter if I stay around for the movie or just walk out. The theater should not care as they got their money. All we are doing is wasting a little bit of gas and time (some of us).
I don't like the idea of GPS and data being forced on if that becomes a condition after check in. Some phones will start heating up if there is a signal loss inside the theater (due to the construction of the theater). I don't want to deal with a battery drain and warm/hot phone because of this. With enough documentation, people could file a suit against MP if there is proof that the app is causing overheats/battery drain if left on too long.

So this pretty much shoots down seeing Star Wars/Justice League more than once huh?
I wouldn't be surprised if the app all of a sudden grays out the movie once you saw it using movie pass. Doing an exchange/swap out multiple times will flag you with the theater as they might catch on.

I am going to be watching this situation carefully.

Time to ditch your Galaxy 7 note! [emoji13]

[DanTheMan]

I think an updated OP is necessary (via the mods and cinemaphile), but I feel this should be the one and only thread. There’s been a ton of helpful posts by members since the price change, and to see it all lost/buried would be a shame.

So I vote same thread, updated OP. Unless the mods can transfer the posts from this one to the new as sort of a “mega thread”.

[NullUser]

Originally Posted by ITDEFX101

Are they ****ing serious???

-So we have to keep data/gps on after we check in just to prove that we using it?
-The whole part about point mining. Regal has been putting out their free popcorn/5k/free ticket every time you come in these past 3 weeks. I am sure the app called the home server and saw that users were mostly not in the area of the theater after check in.

In my opinion they shot themselves in the foot when they did the whole 1 movie a day for 10 bucks. If I go see a movie and check in and use their card, it shouldn't matter if I stay around for the movie or just walk out. The theater should not care as they got their money. All we are doing is wasting a little bit of gas and time (some of us).
I don't like the idea of GPS and data being forced on if that becomes a condition after check in. Some phones will start heating up if there is a signal loss inside the theater (due to the construction of the theater). I don't want to deal with a battery drain and warm/hot phone because of this. With enough documentation, people could file a suit against MP if there is proof that the app is causing overheats/battery drain if left on too long.

So this pretty much shoots down seeing Star Wars/Justice League more than once huh?
I wouldn't be surprised if the app all of a sudden grays out the movie once you saw it using movie pass. Doing an exchange/swap out multiple times will flag you with the theater as they might catch on.

I am going to be watching this situation carefully.

Let's not panic. Realistically, the "walk out" rule is unenforceable. They have no real way of tracking if you walk out of the movie if you disable GPS/location services, or if you close the app.

And no, you don't have to keep the phone on. Many auditoriums here have no cell reception anyway, so it would not help them.

The rule is there to deter people from abusing MoviePass for reward points.