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Old 11-25-2017, 03:53 PM   #171421
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Oh I think it's a great movie, brilliantly directed and amazing performances. I'm not crazy about some of the more outre gags in it, like with
[Show spoiler]the old woman servant and the egg
, but it's a great portrayal of uncontrollably intense desire.
I could think of like five way better of the top of my head that deal with the same thing.

crash 1996
vital
love from gaspar noe
a snake of june
the night porter

the explicit content is gratuitous. love has some explicit stuff... but that makes sense in the context of the story. when I think about this, I would never watch it again and I would never recommend it to anyone and I don't feel like I want to know more.

maybe my expectations were too high. haneke had just mentioned it on the extras for the piano teacher.
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Old 11-25-2017, 03:55 PM   #171422
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Easily The Philadelphia Story.

I kneel at the altar of Howard Hawks and His Girl Friday boasts his trademark rat-a-tat dialogue along with a bravura, progressive performance from Rosalind Russell (it was the template for Leigh's character in The Hudsucker Proxy) through her constant head-butting with Grant.

But the movie's tone turns rather ugly and unpleasant, for me at least, when it shits its focus to the condemned criminal and his distressed female admirer...morphing from a witty, farcical "battle of the sexes" and journalistic satire to a sobering anti-capital punishment piece. Some people may appreciate this "two movies in one" approach but it's too incongruous for me.
That’s one thing that I thought worked better in the original The Front Page version. In that version, it’s made clear that no one really cares about the condemned man or his girlfriend. The cops and politicians only care about the political benefit of the man’a speedy execution and the reporters are only interested in getting a scoop and selling newspapers. The tone of this subplot matches the cynical/satiric tone of the rest of the story. In any other movie an attempted suicide would bring things to a halt, but these guys are all so jaded it has no more affect on them than a bug hitting a windshield.

This part of the story seems more jarring in His Girl Friday because the overall tone of the film is lighter than its original. That doesn’t spoil my appreciation for it, however. I still think His Girl Friday is essential.

Having said that, I still give the nod to The Philadelphia Story. I find it eminently rewatchable and there’s not a scene in it I don’t thoroughly enjoy.
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Old 11-25-2017, 04:02 PM   #171423
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Sid and Nancy, the 1986 film that chronicles the calamitous relationship between Sex Pistols bassist Sid Vicious and his American girlfriend, Nancy Spungen, succeeds on multiple levels as a heartbreaking love story about two outcasts who simultaneously attract and repel each other, a glorious snapshot of the chaotic rise and fall of the late 1970s punk rock era, and a shockingly unglamorous anti-drug message. Director Alex Cox, who had previously helmed the offbeat punk-edged sci-fi film, Repo Man, brings an uncanny beauty to the squalor and decadence by way of brilliant camerawork, while Gary Oldman and Chloe Webb shine at their absolute best as the title characters.

Sid and Nancy was heavily criticized for its historical inaccuracies by Sex Pistols frontman John Lydon (Johnny Rotten), who, in his 1994 autobiography, Rotten: No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs, wrote that the film celebrates heroin addiction. When I rented this movie on VHS tape while I was 16 years old and in 10th grade, however, its stark depictions of the filthy desolate world of addiction only served to intensify my lifelong phobia of drugs and medications in general, and, as such, I'll always look back on it as a strangely positive influence on my younger self. I had seen a great many drug awareness films and such in school by that time, but nothing shook me up as much as watching Oldman's Sid and Webb's Nancy holed up in their small grimy room at the Chelsea Hotel in New York as they repeatedly express a desire to straighten up and escape their addictions while sticking needles into their arms at the same time. The film noir trademark of flashback storytelling is employed here by introducing Sid as he is questioned by police after Nancy's death and using the interrogation to transport us back to the couple's first meeting in London, so we know from the start that things will not end well.

The music is, of course, wonderful. Alex Cox and the cast members effectively convey what it must have been like to attend a Sex Pistols gig, and there's a genuine urgency to the recreations of the band's London performances, their riverboat performance on the Thames, and their U.S. tour, which included stops in Atlanta and Texas. Reality is eschewed during several scenes, but to good cinematic effect. I've always loved one fictional moment where, after the breakup of the Pistols, Sid is playing one of his disastrously pathetic solo shows while John Lydon, played by Andrew Schofield, sits in the back of the venue and watches with tears in his eyes.

Although Sid's musical abilities were debatable at best, he nonetheless became the iconic face of punk rock due to his spiked hair, his sneer, and his “better to burn out than fade away” aesthetic. One could not go through a record store during the late 1980s of my youth without seeing Sid Vicious T-shirts and posters. Alex Cox's film, despite the factual inaccuracies, puts a human face on the phenomenon, and presents the ambiguous circumstances behind Nancy's death in a convincing way that I can imagine is pretty close to the truth. Sid's own demise is handled in a rather beautiful and dignified way, because, by that point in the film, we've already seen enough ugliness.

Be on the lookout for a young Courtney Love, who plays one of Nancy's friends in New York City.

Sid and Nancy is painful to watch in many ways, but I still love revisiting it and watching the stories of people who lived a life that none of us would want to live while creating the music that so many of us love to hear.

The Criterion Blu-ray of Sid and Nancy is beyond reproach in technical terms, and I think that it excels with regard to picture quality and audio presentation.

The supplemental material is almost as entertaining as the film itself, although a few of the extras are rather sobering. One particular documentary excerpt, D.O.A.: A Rite of Passage, features a real interview with Sid and Nancy that makes me embarrassed for both of them. The commentaries and extras are openly frank with regard to the film's fictionalization of certain aspects of the true story and the cold reception of the film by many in the punk community.

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Old 11-25-2017, 05:43 PM   #171424
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For me, Adaptation and Being John Malkovich both come under what I refer to as "skewed reality" narratives.

Other films that live in this type of reality include:

Synecdoche, New York
Requiem for a Dream
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Black Swan
Donnie Darko
Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives


My personal favorite of this unique film style is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
What you call "skewed reality" is some of my favorite story telling. Out of these I've never seen Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives, but I just looked it up and I gotta get it.

Synecdoche, New York is one of my all time favorites movies.
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Hi folks, I'm just looking to pick your brains about Le Cercle Rouge. I don't need any assessments of the film itself as I have seen it, I want to know about blu-ray releases.

I'm not willing to pay the money to buy the OOP Criterion release, so I've been looking to get a Studio Canal release that is part of a promo on Amazon Germany. According to some pretty old reviews on this site, a British Studio Canal release was apparently better than the Criterion. Is this accurate? I'm assuming all other Studio Canal releases would still be using this same master?

Are there any other issues with the Studio Canal release(s) that I should avoid?

Is there any chance that the Criterion release will be back into print at some point soon (or ever)?

I appreciate everyone's help in advance. I will probably be making my purchase on Sunday.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:29 PM   #171426
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If you prefer pure, old-fashioned Hollywood glitz and glamor, go with The Philadelphia Story.

If you like smart, edgy, fast-moving satire that has hardly dated, go with His Girl Friday.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:44 PM   #171427
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Thanks everyone (all of you) for your great feedback on The PH Story and His Girl Friday.

Both seem to have their own appeal, but I've spent too much already during this sale and can't afford to splurge on more than one old school 40s blind buy.

You guys make it really hard to choose sometimes.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:53 PM   #171428
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Thanks everyone (all of you) for your great feedback on The PH Story and His Girl Friday.

Both seem to have their own appeal, but I've spent too much already during this sale and can't afford to splurge on more than one old school 40s blind buy.

You guys make it really hard to choose sometimes.
You'll kick yourself later for not getting HIS GIRL FRIDAY when you finally get around to seeing it.

The PH Story has dated a tad too much. HGF is as funny today as it was then.
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The PH Story has dated a tad too much. HGF is as funny today as it was then.


TPH has great things in it--James Stewart, especially--but its sexual politics make it pretty hard for me to take. (Its tone is also a shade self-congratulatory for my palate.)

HGF, on the other hand, is "quick and dirty", and makes no bones about it. I like that.
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You'll kick yourself later for not getting HIS GIRL FRIDAY when you finally get around to seeing it.

The PH Story has dated a tad too much. HGF is as funny today as it was then.
How does His Girl Friday compare to a film like House?
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How does His Girl Friday compare to a film like House?
It's got a lot more intelligence -- and even more class.
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Thanks everyone (all of you) for your great feedback on The PH Story and His Girl Friday.

Both seem to have their own appeal, but I've spent too much already during this sale and can't afford to splurge on more than one old school 40s blind buy.

You guys make it really hard to choose sometimes.
His Girl Friday's a much better movie.
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I've read Willem Defoe thinks very highly of HIS GIRL FRIDAY and owns a copy of the Criterion Blu-ray.
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His Girl Friday does not come across as what might happen if the writers of the Scooby-Doo cartoons were tripping on acid.
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Easily The Philadelphia Story.

I kneel at the altar of Howard Hawks and His Girl Friday boasts his trademark rat-a-tat dialogue along with a bravura, progressive performance from Rosalind Russell (it was the template for Leigh's character in The Hudsucker Proxy) through her constant head-butting with Grant.

But the movie's tone turns rather ugly and unpleasant, for me at least, when it shits its focus to the condemned criminal and his distressed female admirer...morphing from a witty, farcical "battle of the sexes" and journalistic satire to a sobering anti-capital punishment piece. Some people may appreciate this "two movies in one" approach but it's too incongruous for me.

The Philadelphia Story, on the other hand, is textbook, star-powered classic cinema. The rapacious dialogue never lags, the peripheral players all do their thing, and the marquee trio of Grant, Hepburn and Stewart all riffing off each other in their primes makes you miss that era of cinema something fierce. It catapulted Hepburn back to the #1 female starlet spot after being dubbed "box office poison" following a string of flops and it netted Stewart his first and only Oscar (admittedly making up for the Mr. Smith Goes to Washington snub, but it's still well-deserved. His big scene with Hepburn is among my favorite in all of filmdom.)

You need to buy both, but if you're resigned to one then The Philadelphia Story it must be.
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His Girl Friday does not come across as what might happen if the writers of the Scooby-Doo cartoons were tripping on acid.
Does Cary Grant vomit blood at any point?
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I like both but I think His Girl Friday has the edge simply because of the dialogue approach, it is pretty insane even if you know about it beforehand.
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Does Cary Grant vomit blood at any point?
Why don't you just make up your mind to get HIS GIRL FRIDAY already -- and don't tell us you can't afford it, you silly man!
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I like both but I think His Girl Friday has the edge simply because of the dialogue approach, it is pretty insane even if you know about it beforehand.
The edge over House or The Philadelphia Story?

I always thought House had pretty strong dialogue.
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Old 11-26-2017, 02:23 AM   #171440
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Go with His Girl Friday unless you like overly romantic movies. HGF is a wonderful zappy film that uses romance as more of a backdrop to an exciting storyline while TPS focuses entirely on a romantic story.
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