HDR Discussion Thread

[LordoftheRings]

Nice to see you back Penton.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

now responding to some piled up PMs.

I’m able to share one publicly. My reply to the member’s question -

“Yes, I’ve seen that spreadsheet before (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=184653968) and it’s not quite as useful in being an image predictor as some hobbyists might presume, given how televisions may (or, more significantly, may not) handle static metadata ST 2086, MaxFALL, MaxCLL, as the interop WG of the Ultra HD Forum discovered in their testing at last June’s plugfest with regards to TV behaviors -

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Ah yes, you discussed something that was to do with the dreaded p word.

I don't think there's any pee in this article in which V.S. speaks a bit on HDR...https://www.fdtimes.com/2017/12/02/c...-wonder-wheel/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Nice to see you back Penton.

Thanks .

[Fred Bang]

Originally Posted by Bladerunner5375

i'm having the same exact problem and it's driving me bat-shit crazy. If you find the solution, please let me know. I will do the same for you if I find out.

See your other thread for my findings

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by gkolb

What the ... ?

That's what I said when I found out that the theater I'd wanted to see Dust 2 Glory (4K, but not HDR) with some local friends sold out all their tickets within ½ hr . of the tickets going on sale last week for tomorrow's special nationwide one night premiere event. I mean off road racing is popular in SoCal but even so.

The trailer….

The OFFICIAL MOVIE TRAILER for Dana Brown's DUST 2 GLORY! - YouTube

[Geoff D]

Thanks for that spreadsheet anyway Penton, I've been searching in vain for a metadata list like that for quite some time. Result!

[disrember]

yippee the BBC's blue planet is coming to iplayer in HDR

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42225220

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Thanks for that spreadsheet anyway Penton, I've been searching in vain for a metadata list like that for quite some time. Result!

Yes, that long list of processing methods make me think of "worst practices" and manufacturer anarchy. They all kept a lot of this hidden in the shadows, and your average HDR10 TV owner has no idea what crazy processing is going on for their TV.

My guess is the Z is the 2nd to last bullet point. I'm still super pleased with image quality overall and the gorgeous look of classic film based movies on 4k so far. (Thanks Sony & Universal). And thanks to Geoff whose generosity with settings makes my Z so great. The first tv I ever tinkered with for settings!

[Geoff D]

The Z still doesn't dynamically tone map though, it just clips the amount of highlight range to wherever you've got your contrast control set to, but it does apparently ignore the metadata and analyse the frames to create its own light levels, yes.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The Z still doesn't dynamically tone map though, it just clips the amount of highlight range to wherever you've got your contrast control set to, but it does apparently ignore the metadata and analyse the frames to create its own light levels, yes.

Just say it, we're both jonesing for that DV firmware...

[Geoff D]

It will be a day long remembered...especially if we get the infamous grey bar issue!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

♫ Knock knock knocking on DanBa's do-ooo-ooor ♫

And back at ya….
Blowin’ in the wind?

Bob Dylan-Blowing in the wind Lyrics - YouTube

Seems we’ve started a trend -
♫ “How many roads must a man walk down, before it is really UHD?” ♫
EBU tech-i December issue, p.16 -
https://tech.ebu.ch/publications
https://tech.ebu.ch/docs/tech-i/tech-i-034.pdf

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by disrember

yippee the BBC's blue planet is coming to iplayer in HDR

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42225220

Yippee for those with supported (by the BBC) TVs.

My 2016 Samsung DOES support HLG, but we're in their stupid situation with Samsung refusing to say it does in public such that Venn Diagram creators won't put "Samsung" in the "HLG" section.

But now, Samsung devices are clearly and openly listed on the Supported HLG Devices page by the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/l...-planet-II-uhd

... except for the Tizan 2016 Jazzm models . The ones that Samsung promised HLG support for in this article: http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinio...-is-it-2947378. That promise was kept. Samsung delivered HLG support for in February of this year in a firmware update.

So, BBC and Samsung, where's my HLG iPlayer please?

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

Yippee for those with supported (by the BBC) TVs.

My 2016 Samsung DOES support HLG, but we're in their stupid situation with Samsung refusing to say it does in public such that Venn Diagram creators won't put "Samsung" in the "HLG" section.

But now, Samsung devices are clearly and openly listed on the Supported HLG Devices page by the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/l...-planet-II-uhd

... except for the Tizan 2016 Jazzm models . The ones that Samsung promised HLG support for in this article: http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinio...-is-it-2947378. That promise was kept. Samsung delivered HLG support for in February of this year in a firmware update.

So, BBC and Samsung, where's my HLG iPlayer please?

Nice, I see my LG C6 listed there.

I also have a KS9800, and I agree with you. It's weird that even though the TV supports HLG, the iPlayer app doesn't support HLG on the TV. I wonder if they will at least add support to the 2017 Samsung blu ray players. I would settle for that, since HLG works over HDMI on this TV now.

Of course, I'm outside of the UK, so I would have to use a VPN anyways.

[puddy77]

Looks like more phones will have HDR next year thanks to the new Snapdragon 845 chip that not only supports HDR playback, but now adds 4k 60fps 10bit HDR10 and HLG capture from the camera.

https://www.qualcomm.com/products/sn...obile-platform

[LordoftheRings]

☮ https://www.techhive.com/article/323...h-is-best.html

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

☮ https://www.techhive.com/article/323...h-is-best.html

Regarding DV ^,
In the mission to further promote Dolby Vision for live productions, next week, here - http://www.thesvgsummit.com/

Dolby labs will be demonstrating Dolby Vision playback of sports (PeterTHX’s fave ) coverage produced during trials of its Dolby Vision Live solution. Don’t get your hopes up too high though Peter, for it’s not this weekend’s Manchester Derby that will be showing.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

3D LUTs

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/p...censing_v2.pdf

[disrember]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

Yippee for those with supported (by the BBC) TVs.

My 2016 Samsung DOES support HLG, but we're in their stupid situation with Samsung refusing to say it does in public such that Venn Diagram creators won't put "Samsung" in the "HLG" section.

But now, Samsung devices are clearly and openly listed on the Supported HLG Devices page by the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/l...-planet-II-uhd

... except for the Tizan 2016 Jazzm models . The ones that Samsung promised HLG support for in this article: http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinio...-is-it-2947378. That promise was kept. Samsung delivered HLG support for in February of this year in a firmware update.

So, BBC and Samsung, where's my HLG iPlayer please?

I also have a 2016 samsung TV (JS8000) and obviously can view netflix in HDR which I think means HLG is working.... but none the wiser. I also have the samsung 4k bluray player which should support it as well. who knows.

My TV had an update released on the 1st dec btw, not available to download via the TV yet, just USB, unfortunately as samung stopped telling people what their firmware updates do, am none the wiser what this is for... but it was 1.3 gb