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Old 12-13-2017, 09:24 PM   #541
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Basically this is not a movie by Zack Snyder. More like a Joss Whedon movie with all the editing/reshoots & new Danny Elfman over Junkie XL soundtrack. So when we buy this on home video, 4K/Bluray/DVD, Joss Whedon will be the one in the behind the scenes footage on the extras, not Zack Snyder? Hell will Zack Snyder even appear on any of the special features at all?

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Yeah that's what it was supposed to be minor refinements. Instead it became a totally different movie.
Yeah, it's hard to know. I've read wildly different percentages on how much Whedon changed/added. Some said 40%, some said it was as much as 60%, then later I read those were very exaggerated, and it was closer to 20%. One report pointed out that Whedon would have to have directed over 40%? to get a co-director credit under academy rules. He was not listed as a co director as far as I recall (anyone please correct me if I'm wrong).

Either way, I doubt Whedon had free reign to change whatever he wanted. My guess is he had pretty strict marching papers and boxes to tick off and he took that direction and did his best.

I doubt we will ever know fully what, how and why changes were made. Snyder seems to have moved on, the studio is basically a politician and will probably always be coy, and Whedon wants future work so he'll probably remain diplomatic and just say everything and everybody was working well together.
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Yeah, it's hard to know. I've read wildly different percentages on how much Whedon changed/added. Some said 40%, some said it was as much as 60%, then later I read those were very exaggerated, and it was closer to 20%. One report pointed out that Whedon would have to have directed over 40%? to get a co-director credit under academy rules. He was not listed as a co director as far as I recall (anyone please correct me if I'm wrong).
Nope. Snyder was the only one who got a directing credit. Whedon only got a screenplay credit I belive. Either way, the real villain here is the executives at Warner. Why can't they hire actual filmmakers to make these decisions instead of business men who belive focus-testing is the only real path to success?
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Warner Bros dropped the bombshell today, that Justice League is streeting on January 16th 2018
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Maybe for digital purchase not physical media purchases.
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Saw this last night. I'm a massive fan of MoS and BvS, but I came out thinking..this is just ok.. perhaps I need a second viewing to get into it, like I did for MoS and BvS. As per BvS the Ultimate Cut made more sense, so perhaps there maybe one for this. As has been reported the CGI on Henry Cavill's upper lip is absolutely shocking!! Whoever did that should be sacked or never hired again, it totally ruined the Superman scenes. Lack of Hans Zimmer score was a shame too.
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Or more accurately whoever did the cgi on Cavill wasn't given nearly enough time to get it done properly. The fx team are not to blame for that at all. The blame lies on those who chose not to delay the release of the movie.
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Basically this is not a movie by Zack Snyder. More like a Joss Whedon movie with all the editing/reshoots & new Danny Elfman over Junkie XL soundtrack. So when we buy this on home video, 4K/Bluray/DVD, Joss Whedon will be the one in the behind the scenes footage on the extras, not Zack Snyder? Hell will Zack Snyder even appear on any of the special features at all?
There is so much in this thread that is just pure conjecture. It doesn't even make sense that Joss Whedon directed any significant portion of the movie.

I really wonder what the reception would've been had people not been aware of the production/reshoots. Everyone was ready to pounce and they sure did.

The best is how the movie was now ruined because Snyder - the person who received so much vitriol after Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman - was replaced by Whedon.

And even the loss of Junkie XL is being felt! That's hilarious. Yeah, the movie would've been so much better with the Junkie XL score we haven't heard.
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There is so much in this thread that is just pure conjecture. It doesn't even make sense that Joss Whedon directed any significant portion of the movie.

I really wonder what the reception would've been had people not been aware of the production/reshoots. Everyone was ready to pounce and they sure did.

The best is how the movie was now ruined because Snyder - the person who received so much vitriol after Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman - was replaced by Whedon.

And even the loss of Junkie XL is being felt! That's hilarious. Yeah, the movie would've been so much better with the Junkie XL score we haven't heard.
Joss Whedon made a completely different movie. Everything on this list was filmed by Zack Snyder.
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Joss Whedon made a completely different movie. Everything on this list was filmed by Zack Snyder.
Dang! I hope all this gets put into the extended 4k disc with the cgi, visual effects re-done.
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Old 12-14-2017, 05:42 PM   #552
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Joss Whedon made a completely different movie. Everything on this list was filmed by Zack Snyder.
That's a bunch of comic book pictures and points with absolutely ZERO evidence to show Zack Snyder actually filmed those scenes. It's possible he did but the amount of footage cut for that to be true would be absolutely ridiculous.
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That's a bunch of comic book pictures and points with absolutely ZERO evidence to show Zack Snyder actually filmed those scenes. It's possible he did but the amount of footage cut for that to be true would be absolutely ridiculous.
I’d like to see the evidence of this too, since I heard the only role the Green Lanterns has in early cuts was a post credits scene where two Lanterns appeared in Bruce’s home which was cut very early on (only reaction shots of Bruce were filmed and no VFX was done) and a VFX artist confirmed that Supergirl was never in the film in any shape or form.
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I’d like to see the evidence of this too, since I heard the only role the Green Lanterns has in early cuts was a post credits scene where two Lanterns appeared in Bruce’s home which was cut very early on (only reaction shots of Bruce were filmed and no VFX was done) and a VFX artist confirmed that Supergirl was never in the film in any shape or form.
The Green Lanterns had dialogue during the fight between Steppenwolf, The Amazons, Gods, Zeus etc. Anybody who wants proof need only do some internet research. Cinematographer Fabian Wagner confirmed a ton of details through various interviews. Many of the crew have also spoken out about the changes and cuts Joss Whedon made. As well as people who actually got to see Zack Snyder's cut of Justice League. If you look hard enough many deleted scenes and unfinished effects have been circulating online for weeks. It's only a matter of time before everything is brought to light publicly. WB recently put out Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut which is over 3 hours long. I bring this up because after watching that it made it very clear to me that WB is trolling us over these Extended and Directors Cuts. There really is nothing stopping Zack Snyder's version from being released, WB will strike while the iron is hot if they are smart, or they might make us wait a couple decades or so, but Snyder's cut will be shown eventually!
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The Green Lanterns had dialogue during the fight between Steppenwolf, The Amazons, Gods, Zeus etc. Anybody who wants proof need only do some internet research. Cinematographer Fabian Wagner confirmed a ton of details through various interviews. Many of the crew have also spoken out about the changes and cuts Joss Whedon made. As well as people who actually got to see Zack Snyder's cut of Justice League. If you look hard enough many deleted scenes and unfinished effects have been circulating online for weeks. It's only a matter of time before everything is brought to light publicly. WB recently put out Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut which is over 3 hours long. I bring this up because after watching that it made it very clear to me that WB is trolling us over these Extended and Directors Cuts. There really is nothing stopping Zack Snyder's version from being released, WB will strike while the iron is hot if they are smart, or they might make us wait a couple decades or so, but Snyder's cut will be shown eventually!
Well, can you back up what you're saying with links? Most of my info comes from this AMA (which was sadly deleted, but the guy's identity was verified) https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/justi...-all-reddit-qa

Also another leak confirming details about the film

Summarised here

[Show spoiler]Wonder Woman fails to stop the bomb in the courthouse. Aquaman was an alcoholic battling with his demons. Barry wasn't as quippy and was down because of his dad. Victor was more like Frankenstein creation and was all sad. Bruce Wayne was on suicidal mission throughout the film. The last act was him going full suicide mission on his batmobile (look out for the bullet casing motif in slow motion). Superman struggled with good/evil and is almost tempted by Darkside until he snaps out of it at the end. The Black suit slowly turns back to normal colour.


A longer summary of the Snyder cut which had unfinished VFX and was shown at some early screenings. This also supports what we know; that Whedon reshot about 30% of the film with it mostly being the third act.

[Show spoiler]LONGER: Began with Bruce recruiting Aquaman. It was basically the same scene as I saw in the theatrical version this weekend. However, some lines were added by Whedon and some Zack bits were cut. Aquaman was originally more resilient and shut-off to Bruce here.

DELETED: Barry Allen saving Iris West by breaking the glass.

LONGER: History Lesson. But just by some bits. What I was most surprised by was that WB cut out dialogue by the Green Lantern, Zeus and even Ares (Yes, he was there too). They had a couple of lines each. As did Robin Wright and Hippolyta. They just kept the action in and clicked out all dialogue, I guess.

DELETED: After taking the Mother Box from Themiscyra, Steppenwolf actually “talks” to the Box. His mother, Heggra’s essence is alive in the Mother Boxes and bringing them all together would unleash her powers – finally giving Steppenwolf an edge over his uncle – Darkseid. That is what his plan was originally. I thought for sure that they would keep this scene in because they used a dialogue from this scene in the trailers – “No protectors here. No Lanterns. This world will fall. You will be free, mother.”

DELETED – Cyborg’s previous life. He plays a great football match that his MOTHER (Yes, she was cast as well) attends. Afterwards, they drive home. Victor is angry that his Dad never made it while his mother tries to console him. Victor just keeps getting angry and lashing out, loses control of the car – causing a fiery crash..

LONGER – The Gordon scene had a little setup that I didn’t see in the theatrical version. Gordon dismisses a Junkie and tells him to “get better at life” before another cop comes to him with drawings of Parademons. His conversation with the League also ran longer. First, he asks Wonder Woman “if she’s the same woman he keeps seeing reports of in London”. Then, he asks Cyborg “how does he eat? Does he even need to?”.

DELETED: After the attack on Atlantis, Aquaman consults with Mera and Vulko over what he should do next. Mera wants him to stay as King because she “doesn’t trust Orm”. Vulko wants him to do what his heart says. Aquaman confesses that he feels a responsinility to help the people on Earth.

DELETED: The League visits the Batcave. Alfred has humorous reactions to the League. Bruce Wayne talks about a “nightmare” he had. He believes that Steppenwolf will try and resurrect the power of Superman and “that they must do it first unless they want to fight an Evil Kryptonian too.”

CHANGED: Superman’s resurrection was ONLY possible because Cyborg detects foreign genetic material in his DNA a.k.a the Codex. This is the final confirmation needed that Superman can be brought back to life after all. Then, the revival happens pretty much the same.

DELETED: Deathstroke breaks Lex out of prison. They part ways because the cops are hot on their trail – deciding to meet up later at “the location they discussed”.

DELETED: Kent Farm. Superman brings Lois here. however, he is still very confused and not knowing what’s happening. Bystanders are looking at him and clicking his photos. This confuses him further and he actually tries to attack the civilians with his laser-eyes before Lois manages to calm him down. Superman tells her that “the voices won’t shut up”. Later, Martha shows up here and Clark and Lois are already inside the house. Clark is calmer now but still very confused – his powers are going haywire and his senses are heightened. Martha gives the “Picture the world as an Island. Follow my voice and come back to me” speech from MoS. It seems to calm him down. Later, Clark is wearing his shirt when he sees Pa Kent (Yes, Costner was here too) out in the fields. He goes out to see him. Pa Kent talks about “embracing who you really are”. He tells Clark that “you have to make peace with who you are. You have the power to change the world and you can do that as anyone, good character or bad.” Clark finally embraces Superman as a part of him when Lois walks out. Clark confirms their engagement, Lois breaks down because she wasn’t strong enough. Then, Martha comes out too as Clark decides to help the League and flies off. That’s how it happened in my version. I may have paraphrased some dialogue but that was basically it.

DELETED: Clark heads up to meet Alfred and get his suit.

DELETED: Steppenwolf’s second conversation with Heggra. Now that he has all three Mother Boxes – her return to this world can begin.

CHANGED: Bruce’s conversation with Diana after Superman returns. Diana comes in to pop Bruce’s shoulder and tend to his injuries. Bruce reveals that he is willing to die to save the world. In fact, he says “he deserves to die because of what he’s done. He’s killed people and nothing, not even his hate for Superman can justify killing like that”. Diana tells him that “he’s changed now” but Bruce remains adamant that he can only atone himself by sacrificing his life.

CHANGED: Bruce’s Batmobile is headed to certain death during the finale when Wonder Woman and Aquaman interfere and save his life. They tell him that dying in battle won’t do anything and he must live to keep the fight going.

ALTERNATE ENDING WE WERE SHOWN: Cyborg tries to separate the Mother Boxes while Heggra keeps trying to talk him away. Furious, Steppenwolf grabs him and rips him apart – essentially killing him.

CHANGED: Superman joins the fight and teams up with the League to defeat Steppenwolf. However, at one point, Steppy tries to tempt Superman into joining his army and we see Darkseid (for the first time) in Superman’s vision and we see flashes of the Knight-mare footage. However, Superman SNAPS back from it and delivers the final blow to Steppy, defeating him.

DELETED: Steppenwolf is killed by Darkseid on Apokolips. Darkseid intends to come to Earth to “meet the Kryptonian”.

DELETED: Aquaman meets Mera off the village coast and agrees to come back. Barry steps into the library, Iris smiles at him cutely.

DELETED: Bruce and Barry place Victor’s “body” in the Batcave. Bruce comments that “his organic tissue is dead but it may be possible to reignite his mechanical parts”. Barry promises to help however he can.

DELETED: Lois introduces Perry White to “Clark Kent a.k.a Superman“.

The original after credit scene that was shot in principal photography was Bruce being woken in the night in his lake house by a green light and being visited by Tomar Re and Kilowog.


From these leaks we can get an idea of what the Snyder cut was, which doesn't match up with what you've said.

Note that the cinematographer only confirmed scenes with Superman wearing the Black suit were filmed, not what those scenes were. This supports the leak that it appears when Darkseid and Steppenwolf try to tempt Superman during a vision (similar to how Superman wore a Black suit in a similar vision in Man of Steel).
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Well, can you back up what you're saying with links? Most of my info comes from this AMA (which was sadly deleted, but the guy's identity was verified) https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/justi...-all-reddit-qa

Also another leak confirming details about the film

Summarised here

[Show spoiler]Wonder Woman fails to stop the bomb in the courthouse. Aquaman was an alcoholic battling with his demons. Barry wasn't as quippy and was down because of his dad. Victor was more like Frankenstein creation and was all sad. Bruce Wayne was on suicidal mission throughout the film. The last act was him going full suicide mission on his batmobile (look out for the bullet casing motif in slow motion). Superman struggled with good/evil and is almost tempted by Darkside until he snaps out of it at the end. The Black suit slowly turns back to normal colour.


A longer summary of the Snyder cut which had unfinished VFX and was shown at some early screenings. This also supports what we know; that Whedon reshot about 30% of the film with it mostly being the third act.

[Show spoiler]LONGER: Began with Bruce recruiting Aquaman. It was basically the same scene as I saw in the theatrical version this weekend. However, some lines were added by Whedon and some Zack bits were cut. Aquaman was originally more resilient and shut-off to Bruce here.

DELETED: Barry Allen saving Iris West by breaking the glass.

LONGER: History Lesson. But just by some bits. What I was most surprised by was that WB cut out dialogue by the Green Lantern, Zeus and even Ares (Yes, he was there too). They had a couple of lines each. As did Robin Wright and Hippolyta. They just kept the action in and clicked out all dialogue, I guess.

DELETED: After taking the Mother Box from Themiscyra, Steppenwolf actually “talks” to the Box. His mother, Heggra’s essence is alive in the Mother Boxes and bringing them all together would unleash her powers – finally giving Steppenwolf an edge over his uncle – Darkseid. That is what his plan was originally. I thought for sure that they would keep this scene in because they used a dialogue from this scene in the trailers – “No protectors here. No Lanterns. This world will fall. You will be free, mother.”

DELETED – Cyborg’s previous life. He plays a great football match that his MOTHER (Yes, she was cast as well) attends. Afterwards, they drive home. Victor is angry that his Dad never made it while his mother tries to console him. Victor just keeps getting angry and lashing out, loses control of the car – causing a fiery crash..

LONGER – The Gordon scene had a little setup that I didn’t see in the theatrical version. Gordon dismisses a Junkie and tells him to “get better at life” before another cop comes to him with drawings of Parademons. His conversation with the League also ran longer. First, he asks Wonder Woman “if she’s the same woman he keeps seeing reports of in London”. Then, he asks Cyborg “how does he eat? Does he even need to?”.

DELETED: After the attack on Atlantis, Aquaman consults with Mera and Vulko over what he should do next. Mera wants him to stay as King because she “doesn’t trust Orm”. Vulko wants him to do what his heart says. Aquaman confesses that he feels a responsinility to help the people on Earth.

DELETED: The League visits the Batcave. Alfred has humorous reactions to the League. Bruce Wayne talks about a “nightmare” he had. He believes that Steppenwolf will try and resurrect the power of Superman and “that they must do it first unless they want to fight an Evil Kryptonian too.”

CHANGED: Superman’s resurrection was ONLY possible because Cyborg detects foreign genetic material in his DNA a.k.a the Codex. This is the final confirmation needed that Superman can be brought back to life after all. Then, the revival happens pretty much the same.

DELETED: Deathstroke breaks Lex out of prison. They part ways because the cops are hot on their trail – deciding to meet up later at “the location they discussed”.

DELETED: Kent Farm. Superman brings Lois here. however, he is still very confused and not knowing what’s happening. Bystanders are looking at him and clicking his photos. This confuses him further and he actually tries to attack the civilians with his laser-eyes before Lois manages to calm him down. Superman tells her that “the voices won’t shut up”. Later, Martha shows up here and Clark and Lois are already inside the house. Clark is calmer now but still very confused – his powers are going haywire and his senses are heightened. Martha gives the “Picture the world as an Island. Follow my voice and come back to me” speech from MoS. It seems to calm him down. Later, Clark is wearing his shirt when he sees Pa Kent (Yes, Costner was here too) out in the fields. He goes out to see him. Pa Kent talks about “embracing who you really are”. He tells Clark that “you have to make peace with who you are. You have the power to change the world and you can do that as anyone, good character or bad.” Clark finally embraces Superman as a part of him when Lois walks out. Clark confirms their engagement, Lois breaks down because she wasn’t strong enough. Then, Martha comes out too as Clark decides to help the League and flies off. That’s how it happened in my version. I may have paraphrased some dialogue but that was basically it.

DELETED: Clark heads up to meet Alfred and get his suit.

DELETED: Steppenwolf’s second conversation with Heggra. Now that he has all three Mother Boxes – her return to this world can begin.

CHANGED: Bruce’s conversation with Diana after Superman returns. Diana comes in to pop Bruce’s shoulder and tend to his injuries. Bruce reveals that he is willing to die to save the world. In fact, he says “he deserves to die because of what he’s done. He’s killed people and nothing, not even his hate for Superman can justify killing like that”. Diana tells him that “he’s changed now” but Bruce remains adamant that he can only atone himself by sacrificing his life.

CHANGED: Bruce’s Batmobile is headed to certain death during the finale when Wonder Woman and Aquaman interfere and save his life. They tell him that dying in battle won’t do anything and he must live to keep the fight going.

ALTERNATE ENDING WE WERE SHOWN: Cyborg tries to separate the Mother Boxes while Heggra keeps trying to talk him away. Furious, Steppenwolf grabs him and rips him apart – essentially killing him.

CHANGED: Superman joins the fight and teams up with the League to defeat Steppenwolf. However, at one point, Steppy tries to tempt Superman into joining his army and we see Darkseid (for the first time) in Superman’s vision and we see flashes of the Knight-mare footage. However, Superman SNAPS back from it and delivers the final blow to Steppy, defeating him.

DELETED: Steppenwolf is killed by Darkseid on Apokolips. Darkseid intends to come to Earth to “meet the Kryptonian”.

DELETED: Aquaman meets Mera off the village coast and agrees to come back. Barry steps into the library, Iris smiles at him cutely.

DELETED: Bruce and Barry place Victor’s “body” in the Batcave. Bruce comments that “his organic tissue is dead but it may be possible to reignite his mechanical parts”. Barry promises to help however he can.

DELETED: Lois introduces Perry White to “Clark Kent a.k.a Superman“.

The original after credit scene that was shot in principal photography was Bruce being woken in the night in his lake house by a green light and being visited by Tomar Re and Kilowog.


From these leaks we can get an idea of what the Snyder cut was, which doesn't match up with what you've said.

Note that the cinematographer only confirmed scenes with Superman wearing the Black suit were filmed, not what those scenes were. This supports the leak that it appears when Darkseid and Steppenwolf try to tempt Superman during a vision (similar to how Superman wore a Black suit in a similar vision in Man of Steel).
This sounds great and why was all of this cut out it fits perfect with the Man Of Steel and BVS timeline and tone.
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This could be a completely separate movie!
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This could be a completely separate movie!
Which is why we want to see it. The cut exists as a version of it was shown to test audiences, confirmed on the Kevin Smith podcast by one who saw it. The Snyder cut shown to execs was around three hours...before Whedon's reshoots.

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Well, can you back up what you're saying with links? Most of my info comes from this AMA (which was sadly deleted, but the guy's identity was verified) https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/justi...-all-reddit-qa

Also another leak confirming details about the film

Summarised here

[Show spoiler]Wonder Woman fails to stop the bomb in the courthouse. Aquaman was an alcoholic battling with his demons. Barry wasn't as quippy and was down because of his dad. Victor was more like Frankenstein creation and was all sad. Bruce Wayne was on suicidal mission throughout the film. The last act was him going full suicide mission on his batmobile (look out for the bullet casing motif in slow motion). Superman struggled with good/evil and is almost tempted by Darkside until he snaps out of it at the end. The Black suit slowly turns back to normal colour.


A longer summary of the Snyder cut which had unfinished VFX and was shown at some early screenings. This also supports what we know; that Whedon reshot about 30% of the film with it mostly being the third act.

[Show spoiler]LONGER: Began with Bruce recruiting Aquaman. It was basically the same scene as I saw in the theatrical version this weekend. However, some lines were added by Whedon and some Zack bits were cut. Aquaman was originally more resilient and shut-off to Bruce here.

DELETED: Barry Allen saving Iris West by breaking the glass.

LONGER: History Lesson. But just by some bits. What I was most surprised by was that WB cut out dialogue by the Green Lantern, Zeus and even Ares (Yes, he was there too). They had a couple of lines each. As did Robin Wright and Hippolyta. They just kept the action in and clicked out all dialogue, I guess.

DELETED: After taking the Mother Box from Themiscyra, Steppenwolf actually “talks” to the Box. His mother, Heggra’s essence is alive in the Mother Boxes and bringing them all together would unleash her powers – finally giving Steppenwolf an edge over his uncle – Darkseid. That is what his plan was originally. I thought for sure that they would keep this scene in because they used a dialogue from this scene in the trailers – “No protectors here. No Lanterns. This world will fall. You will be free, mother.”

DELETED – Cyborg’s previous life. He plays a great football match that his MOTHER (Yes, she was cast as well) attends. Afterwards, they drive home. Victor is angry that his Dad never made it while his mother tries to console him. Victor just keeps getting angry and lashing out, loses control of the car – causing a fiery crash..

LONGER – The Gordon scene had a little setup that I didn’t see in the theatrical version. Gordon dismisses a Junkie and tells him to “get better at life” before another cop comes to him with drawings of Parademons. His conversation with the League also ran longer. First, he asks Wonder Woman “if she’s the same woman he keeps seeing reports of in London”. Then, he asks Cyborg “how does he eat? Does he even need to?”.

DELETED: After the attack on Atlantis, Aquaman consults with Mera and Vulko over what he should do next. Mera wants him to stay as King because she “doesn’t trust Orm”. Vulko wants him to do what his heart says. Aquaman confesses that he feels a responsinility to help the people on Earth.

DELETED: The League visits the Batcave. Alfred has humorous reactions to the League. Bruce Wayne talks about a “nightmare” he had. He believes that Steppenwolf will try and resurrect the power of Superman and “that they must do it first unless they want to fight an Evil Kryptonian too.”

CHANGED: Superman’s resurrection was ONLY possible because Cyborg detects foreign genetic material in his DNA a.k.a the Codex. This is the final confirmation needed that Superman can be brought back to life after all. Then, the revival happens pretty much the same.

DELETED: Deathstroke breaks Lex out of prison. They part ways because the cops are hot on their trail – deciding to meet up later at “the location they discussed”.

DELETED: Kent Farm. Superman brings Lois here. however, he is still very confused and not knowing what’s happening. Bystanders are looking at him and clicking his photos. This confuses him further and he actually tries to attack the civilians with his laser-eyes before Lois manages to calm him down. Superman tells her that “the voices won’t shut up”. Later, Martha shows up here and Clark and Lois are already inside the house. Clark is calmer now but still very confused – his powers are going haywire and his senses are heightened. Martha gives the “Picture the world as an Island. Follow my voice and come back to me” speech from MoS. It seems to calm him down. Later, Clark is wearing his shirt when he sees Pa Kent (Yes, Costner was here too) out in the fields. He goes out to see him. Pa Kent talks about “embracing who you really are”. He tells Clark that “you have to make peace with who you are. You have the power to change the world and you can do that as anyone, good character or bad.” Clark finally embraces Superman as a part of him when Lois walks out. Clark confirms their engagement, Lois breaks down because she wasn’t strong enough. Then, Martha comes out too as Clark decides to help the League and flies off. That’s how it happened in my version. I may have paraphrased some dialogue but that was basically it.

DELETED: Clark heads up to meet Alfred and get his suit.

DELETED: Steppenwolf’s second conversation with Heggra. Now that he has all three Mother Boxes – her return to this world can begin.

CHANGED: Bruce’s conversation with Diana after Superman returns. Diana comes in to pop Bruce’s shoulder and tend to his injuries. Bruce reveals that he is willing to die to save the world. In fact, he says “he deserves to die because of what he’s done. He’s killed people and nothing, not even his hate for Superman can justify killing like that”. Diana tells him that “he’s changed now” but Bruce remains adamant that he can only atone himself by sacrificing his life.

CHANGED: Bruce’s Batmobile is headed to certain death during the finale when Wonder Woman and Aquaman interfere and save his life. They tell him that dying in battle won’t do anything and he must live to keep the fight going.

ALTERNATE ENDING WE WERE SHOWN: Cyborg tries to separate the Mother Boxes while Heggra keeps trying to talk him away. Furious, Steppenwolf grabs him and rips him apart – essentially killing him.

CHANGED: Superman joins the fight and teams up with the League to defeat Steppenwolf. However, at one point, Steppy tries to tempt Superman into joining his army and we see Darkseid (for the first time) in Superman’s vision and we see flashes of the Knight-mare footage. However, Superman SNAPS back from it and delivers the final blow to Steppy, defeating him.

DELETED: Steppenwolf is killed by Darkseid on Apokolips. Darkseid intends to come to Earth to “meet the Kryptonian”.

DELETED: Aquaman meets Mera off the village coast and agrees to come back. Barry steps into the library, Iris smiles at him cutely.

DELETED: Bruce and Barry place Victor’s “body” in the Batcave. Bruce comments that “his organic tissue is dead but it may be possible to reignite his mechanical parts”. Barry promises to help however he can.

DELETED: Lois introduces Perry White to “Clark Kent a.k.a Superman“.

The original after credit scene that was shot in principal photography was Bruce being woken in the night in his lake house by a green light and being visited by Tomar Re and Kilowog.


From these leaks we can get an idea of what the Snyder cut was, which doesn't match up with what you've said.

Note that the cinematographer only confirmed scenes with Superman wearing the Black suit were filmed, not what those scenes were. This supports the leak that it appears when Darkseid and Steppenwolf try to tempt Superman during a vision (similar to how Superman wore a Black suit in a similar vision in Man of Steel).
Yeah it looks like we both read a lot of similar information. As you can clearly see, almost everything Zack Snyder filmed has been changed or deleted. It's a completely different movie and the schmucks at WB should be ashamed of the way they butchered Justice League! In my opinion Zack Snyder's version sounds brilliant, epic and wonderful! http://comicbook.com/dc/2017/12/15/j...scenes-final-/

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