HDR Discussion Thread

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Top of the morning folks.
Note to fellow friends PaulGo , Filmfreakosaurus et al., although a bit tired from last night, I’m still doing a little happy dance this a.m.

So am I. So am I. Though, now I hear some rumblings that a certain someone will not go gentle into that good night. We shall see...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Although these aren’t necessarily the HDR iterations (UHD Blu-rays), since awards season is approaching I thought folks might be curious as to knowing what Blu-rays (as opposed to only the regular old DVD screeners of past years) have gone out so far to various voting groups and since I don’t know where else to post it, here’s the list so far –

Get Out (Blu-ray)
Beauty and the Beast (Blu-ray/DVD)
War of the Planet of the Apes (Blu-ray/DVD combo pack)
Atomic Blonde (Blu-ray)
Split (Blu-ray)
Despicable Me 3 (Blu-ray)
The Lego Batman Movie (Blu-ray)
Wonder Woman (Blu-ray)
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (Blu-ray)
Cars 3 (Blu-ray)
The Beguiled (Blu-ray)
First They Killed my Father (Blu-ray)
Victoria & Abdul (Blu-ray)
Mudbound (Blu-ray)
Detroit (Blu-ray)
American Made (Blu-ray)
Blade Runner 2049 (Blu-ray)

Add to the list ^ .
Call Me ByYour Name (Blu-ray)
Wonder (Blu-ray)

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

Samsung and Amazon Prime Video first to Launch HDR10+ content:
https://news.samsung.com/global/sams...-hdr10-content

Just a thought....

I’m hoping that Amazon and Samsung delay as long as possible in producing an HDR10+ indicator so that users are forced to assess the true value of HDR10+ over HDR10 on each individual movie or episodic TV show in a truly scientific manner (i.e. single blinded study - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinded_experiment to eliminate bias as much as possible.

I mean really….if you have to be told that something is of higher quality than something else without you picking up on it with your own eyes off the bat….then it’s really not that a significant upgrade after all, no ? And then it becomes yet another hobby for screenshot scientists to dicker with or 'professional' reviewers to make side-by-side videos with the benefit of more ad revenue to their websites.

On the other hand, when we get action sports like soccer captured in HFR and displayed out at 120fps, viewers should be able to determine without anyone informing them of it that you’re getting a superior image quality over what you’ve been accustomed to viewing in the past.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by SpoonySpoonerson

Hey guys, new guy here.

nobody desire to help out the new guy?

[Penton-Man]

scratching head….not sure how many of these OLEDs Flanders will sell as client monitors…. http://www.flandersscientific.com/XM650U/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

soccer captured in HFR and displayed out at 120fps

Although, HFR won’t help much at all with the post match interviews, e.g….

Soccer player thanks wife and girlfriend after match | @TheBuzzer | FOX SOCCER - YouTube

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Just a thought....

I’m hoping that Amazon and Samsung delay as long as possible in producing an HDR10+ indicator so that users are forced to assess the true value of HDR10+ over HDR10 on each individual movie or episodic TV show in a truly scientific manner (i.e. single blinded study - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinded_experiment to eliminate bias as much as possible.

I mean really….if you have to be told that something is of higher quality than something else without you picking up on it with your own eyes off the bat….then it’s really not that a significant upgrade after all, no ? And then it becomes yet another hobby for screenshot scientists to dicker with or 'professional' reviewers to make side-by-side videos with the benefit of more ad revenue to their websites.

On the other hand, when we get action sports like soccer captured in HFR and displayed out at 120fps, viewers should be able to determine without anyone informing them of it that you’re getting a superior image quality over what you’ve been accustomed to viewing in the past.

I believe that same could be said about DV. If an average Joe viewer did not have a way to compare DV and HDR and saw one or the other I doubt they would know the difference.

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by SpoonySpoonerson

Hey guys, new guy here.

I've just ordered my first 4KTV and Xbox One X, and I have a few questions about HDR I'd like clearing up while I patiently wait for both packages to arrive.

So from what I'm reading, HDR is a function you have to "turn on" on your TV that pumps the contrast and colour up etc. For example, torrent files in HDR come with muted colour and the idea being when you turn on the HDR it puts them to how they should look.

My question, what happens when you turn on HDR when you're just watching a normal BluRay movie, or digital file? Is there much - any difference? Does it oversaturate the picture? Or does it simply not work because your file is not HDR compatible?

I'm also reading that 4K players supposedly upscale BluRays to 4K, but I'm not holding out too much hope on that one. We were all promised our BluRay players would upscale DVDs to 1080P, and I've never seen that happen. Can anyone tell me of their experiences with this?

Also, how does Netflix work with HDR? I've heard some titles are compatible, is it the same situation? You just turn on HDR on the titles you know work, or you have HDR turned on and only the titles that are compatible will make a difference?

I'm also looking for 4K movies set in a 16:9 aspect ratio to really take advantage of the screen real estate rather than the 21:9 black bars. Yeah, I'm "that guy". The main one I've seen so far is the new Smurfs movie, which looks unbelievably better than it has any right to on BluRay. Does anyone else know of any fullscreen 4K movies?

Either way, I'm very excited, and am looking forward to watching GOTG2 and Wonder Woman in 4K HDR on a 50" screen as a Christmas present to myself.

HDR should not have to be "turned on". The TV should recognize the content is in HDR and automatically switch to the HDR mode. If you can manually put the TV in the HDR mode you are screwing up the picture.

[SpoonySpoonerson]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

HDR should not have to be "turned on". The TV should recognize the content is in HDR and automatically switch to the HDR mode. If you can manually put the TV in the HDR mode you are screwing up the picture.

So the TV recognises all content that's supposedly HDR compatible? Netflix, YouTube, torrent files etc, and does this automatically?

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by SpoonySpoonerson

So the TV recognises all content that's supposedly HDR compatible? Netflix, YouTube, torrent files etc, and does this automatically?

Yes.

[puddy77]

Final Cut Pro 10.4 now supports HDR (PQ and HLG).

Support for standard Rec. 709 Standard Dynamic Range (SDR) and Rec. 2020 High Dynamic Range (HDR) in libraries and projects from camera import to delivery. Edit and share Rec. 2020 PQ and HLG.

HDR Tools effect lets you easily tone map HDR to Standard Dynamic Range (SDR) output as well as convert between PQ and HLG formats

https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/specs/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

I believe that same could be said about DV. If an average Joe viewer did not have a way to compare DV and HDR and saw one or the other I doubt they would know the difference.

Much easier for average Joe to notice the diff between SDR and HDR with sports -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post14037846

Even capable of showing skate marks in the ice - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post14023940

[Penton-Man]

Anyway, back to movies (which provide great escapism to the trials and tribulations of making a living and putting food on the table), as a follow-up to this past November's heads-up in your neck of the woods - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post14337071

There’s this extensive report - https://mixinglight.com/color-tutori...on-hdr-part-1/

Also, for locals in my neck of the woods, not to forget the par-tee this evening…. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/smpte-h...ts-40158878286

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Good to hear you and I assume yours are not victims of the fires (a friend of mine lost a beloved horse at that stable down in San Diego county and she’s heartbroken )….sometimes people disappear for awhile and I fear the worst, i.e. Ray from Irvine.

For those not following Peter’s comment regarding Disney and Fox -
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/12/fox-...t-sources.html

I’m just happy that projects at Disney continue progressing unabated given John L.’s sabbatical….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post14443693

looks like CNBC called the timing correctly.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

trials and tribulations

In other news, unfortunately , the FCC voted to repeal net neutrality rules.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?438447...utrality-rules

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Much easier for average Joe to notice the diff between SDR and HDR with sports -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post14037846

Even capable of showing skate marks in the ice - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post14023940

^ lead-in for new news…
https://www.sportsvideo.org/2017/12/...-knights-game/

[Dubstar]

so what is happening with the planned rollout of HDR10+ UHD's from Fox, is that still happening despite the recent Fox/Disney merger?

[LordoftheRings]

Is Disney considering pursuing Die Hard with new movies in HDR-10+.
Bruce Willis, is he still alive and still good lookin'?

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Is Disney considering pursuing Die Hard with new movies in HDR-10+.
Bruce Willis, is he still alive and still good lookin'?

yes ... and no

[oddbox83]

Is anyone else with me in thinking they went with the wrong core format for disc-based 4K? HDR10 is just not ideal for backwards compatibility.

I haven't seen them yet, but on paper HLG and Technicolor HDR really interest me as both SDR and HDR output are graded at the source, SDR is the core with HDR metadata on top. So content providers can control exactly how the SDR display will look rather than the end user viewing in SDR relying on potentially a very problematic SDR downconvert of a HDR source.

HDR10 and Dolby Vision could have been added on top as options, the same way DV is currently.