HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

This is an interesting post at AVS
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-hi...l#post55396500

That’s quite a term paper. I’ll skim, but first I wanted to say as a follow-up to this –

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

....sometimes the filmmakers (Director and/or DP) purposely *dumb down* the sharpness and dynamic range of their movies for artistic purposes, thusly not yielding the full potential of the resolution and HDR that otherwise could be attained by the technology and realized in outcome by viewers. I think a major motion picture in theaters right now is an example of that ‘creative’ decision.

Average Joes (as well as some cinephiles for that matter) thrive on image clarity (sharp lenses, no diffusion, etc.) and high contrast (within reason, strive to maximize the HDR). I admit that with all content I tend to side with more detail (resolution, dynamic range) than artsy-fartsy when offered a choice.

Whereas, I enjoyed the clarity and HDR look of Darkest Hour….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFE7w6OEe24#t=1m24s

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Good to know.
So far, I’ve only watched the 1st half of the recent match at Selhurst Park and based on that I was fearing you were holding a grudge (Alexis was offside and I truly believe distracted the keeper) and thusly you were not feeling Glad all Over - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRzBNGGb-zc#t=1s

I think you know how it's gonna end. Poor Jack Wilshere has one heck of an inner ear problem though, he keeps falling to the ground whenever anyone gets near him. I don't blame you for that though...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

This is an interesting post at AVS
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-hi...l#post55396500

In my curiosity to see what prompted it ^ all, I scrolled a little further up the page and very quickly skimmed his earlier post noting that the author writes ‘PQ stands for Perceptual Coding’ . It might be a matter of semantics, but actually I think PQ was/is ‘perceptual quantizer’ as in the EOTF first introduced to the world at the respective ITU working party in April 2012 along with the rationale behind it, which b.t.w., was met with significant skepticism by other international working party members at the time and prompted further contributions (including subjective testing of unbiased viewers) by Dolby to prove its worth as can be confirmed by those qualified to access ITU docs in 2012 - https://www.itu.int/md/R15-WP6C-C-0001/en - see 6C/22.

The perceptual signal coding (PSC) is described during a presentation given in 2013 at 30th IEEE Picture Coding Symposium - https://www.semanticscholar.org/pape...675edcce71607a

I always get a kick out of referring to this ^ presentation to show people, one day a colleague and the next….a competitor , as one of the authors is now a Vice President of Imaging and Testing Engineering at Samsung Display.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Wilshere

I know some of my fellow Arsenal supporters might not like to hear this, but I feel he is vastly overrated and misses waaay too many chances.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Happy New Year Penton! And thank you for everything you bring to us.

And thank you for the privilege of your time.

[Snikt]

Just curious on everyone's thoughts. My Samsung TV is 2015 4K 3D model. However, it is not HDR compatible. The picture is still beautiful and I love the tv; works well with my Sony X800 player.

Do folks consider HDR to be something life-altering in the Home Entertainment System field? Or would you consider it just another perk; one that makes something great looking, just a little better?

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Snikt

Just curious on everyone's thoughts. My Samsung TV is 2015 4K 3D model. However, it is not HDR compatible. The picture is still beautiful and I love the tv; works well with my Sony X800 player.

Do folks consider HDR to be something life-altering in the Home Entertainment System field? Or would you consider it just another perk; one that makes something great looking, just a little better?

HDR is nice but I prefer 3D movies better than HDR movies. If done correctly HDR can enhance a movie, but so can 3D. Hopefully Avatar will renew viewers preference for 3D.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

HDR is nice but I prefer 3D movies better than HDR movies.

Blasphemy

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[cochon]

Originally Posted by Snikt

Just curious on everyone's thoughts. My Samsung TV is 2015 4K 3D model. However, it is not HDR compatible. The picture is still beautiful and I love the tv; works well with my Sony X800 player.

Do folks consider HDR to be something life-altering in the Home Entertainment System field? Or would you consider it just another perk; one that makes something great looking, just a little better?

We had talked about HDR recently but I don't think in those terms.

For me is certainly not life changing, it is a nice feature as long as it doesn't alter the way the movie originally look from the artistic point of view. For me 4K is all about the definition and purer colors.

[oddbox83]

It’s nice to have but it doesn’t greatly alter the appreciation of the film. Blu-ray can still hold its own, I consider 4k HDR a premium addition and not a replacement for Blu-ray.

That said, once you see stuff like Planet Earth 2 in HDR, going back to watching it in normal HD would very much feel like a big step backwards. Those sort of titles are still few and far between though.

My LG does HDR and 3D. I know I’d hate to lose 3D. I rarely use the feature but I enjoy it when I do. So I’m stuck with edge lit LED issues until 3D comes back onto new TVs or my TV dies on me and I no longer have 3D.

[Geoff D]

HDR has been the biggest component of this upgrade for me by far. It's not "changed my life" (I'm not sure what could aside from winning the lottery ) but it's certainly changed my outlook on what home video can achieve. Regular Blu-rays often look quite flat and dull to me now, they're still fantastic in terms of outright resolution but all too often they're saddled with 709 trim passes that favour a blanket tint instead of the wide range of nuances (as well as face-melting extremes) that HDR can provide.

Funnily enough it's older photochemically finished stuff that has given me the most pleasure on regular Blu-ray in recent months, like with Mulholland Drive and Carrie and Christmas Vacation looking so beautifully organic and film-like, but DI-finished stuff seems to be on a mission to look as bland and as blown-out as possible on 1080p Blu-ray. HDR is able to bring those DI shows back to life, even on da dreaded upscale, which is why I'm very eager to see more of the MCU movies laid down onto 4K disc (and pigs might fly). They wouldn't be turned into Guardians Vol. 2 or anything but they could still be imbibed with a richness and a depth that the SDR Blu-rays lack.

[Snikt]

Originally Posted by cochon

We had talked about HDR recently but I don't think in those terms.

For me is certainly not life changing, it is a nice feature as long as it doesn't alter the way the movie originally look from the artistic point of view. For me 4K is all about the definition and purer colors.

Well...it all worked out. Because I just discovered my TV is HDR capable thanks to a firmware update from September 2015.

When playing Blu-rays, naturally, my Sony X800 displayed 2160 and "SDR." I thought it should say "HDR," but it didn't.

However, when I played the T2 4K Blu-ray, the info did display "HDR."

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by Snikt

Well...it all worked out. Because I just discovered my TV is HDR capable thanks to a firmware update from September 2015.

When playing Blu-rays, naturally, my Sony X800 displayed 2160 and "SDR." I thought it should say "HDR," but it didn't.

However, when I played the T2 4K Blu-ray, the info did display "HDR."

Your TV with the addition of HDR via firmware must be an "HDR Lite" set. It will most likely try to display Wide Color Gamut by dithering the 10 bit video signal and I think that works great in most cases. My Samsung TV is a 49'' mid range HDR set with an 8 bit display and limited to something like 600 nits and even 'thought is not an "UHD Premium" set it looks much much better displaying 4K HDR material than my former Full HD set displaying good-old BDs.

[Snikt]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

Your TV with the addition of HDR via firmware must be an "HDR Lite" set. It will most likely try to display Wide Color Gamut by dithering the 10 bit video signal and I think that works great in most cases. My Samsung TV is a 49'' mid range HDR set with an 8 bit display and limited to something like 600 nits and even 'thought is not an "UHD Premium" set it looks much much better displaying 4K HDR material than my former Full HD set displaying good-old BDs.

Yeah, my Samsung 4K has an "UHD" option for all 4 HDMI inputs. So I turned it on for HDMI 1 (the port my Sony X800 is hooked up to).

From what I've researched, it's a 10 bit display. So I'm completely happy with the Sony X800 and Samsung 4K TV combo (it's a 55JU7100).

I had updated the firmware a long time ago and I have the most recent firmware. But I didn't actually it supported HDR until I played a 4K Blu-ray. Hit the "Display" button and there it was 2160 and HDR!

[CYMBOL]

Hello all,

I tried to Google my answer, but most articles were either fairly old and/or didn't answer my question.

I got a Sony 940E a few months ago with the promise of a Dolby Vision update. My receiver is also being listed as ok the list for a Dolby Vision forward update.

Question is: if I have a tv capable of upgrading to Dolby Vision, how likely is it that my tv (and others like it) is just a firmware update away for HDR10+?

Either way, I won't be upgrading my tv anytime soon, just wondering if my tv is already on track to missing out on the latest codecs.

Any info would be appreciated. Thanks in advance everyone.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Should just be a firmware. My panel has already announced a firmware for HDR10+ in 2018

[gkolb]

For the time being, HDR10+ will only be available on streaming titles via Amazon.

With the sale of Fox films to Disney, no one knows if Fox/Disney will ever produce an HDR10+ disc.

Maybe we'll know more after CES, maybe it's too soon. No other studio has shown interest so far in HDR10+ discs.

EDIT: I should explain for those who don't know, HDR10+ is Samsung's baby. A couple other hardware makers not interested in Dolby Vision expressed some interest in 10+, but it's all Samsung driven.
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[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by gkolb

For the time being, HDR10+ will only be available on streaming titles via Amazon.

With the sale of Fox films to Disney, no one knows if Fox/Disney will ever produce an HDR10+ disc.

Maybe we'll know more after CES, maybe it's too soon. No other studio has shown interest so far in HDR10+ discs.

Thanks for the reply. I saw that Amazon is now offering that from a post in another thread, but I'm assuming my tv would need an update to view It?

I would like to think that if my tv is Dolby Vision capable that it will be upgradeable to HDR10+ without too much of an issue.

I would love to be able to own a tv for 6 months before finding out it's obsolete.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Thanks for the reply. I saw that Amazon is now offering that from a post in another thread, but I'm assuming my tv would need an update to view It?

I would like to think that if my tv is Dolby Vision capable that it will be upgradeable to HDR10+ without too much of an issue.

I would love to be able to own a tv for 6 months before finding out it's obsolete.

Your tv has no problems with HDR10 and I have the same X-1 Extreme processor in my Z9D. So between the best LCD displays and getting DV in 15 or so days, I don't have a need for 10+ that I can foresee.

I agree with the concept that the hardware makers that support all HDR formats (did you know our tv's also support HLG HDR?, which will be important for broadcast HDR eventually) will most likely be the most successful.

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Your tv has no problems with HDR10 and I have the same X-1 Extreme processor in my Z9D. So between the best LCD displays and getting DV in 15 or so days, I don't have a need for 10+ that I can foresee.

I agree with the concept that the hardware makers that support all HDR formats (did you know our tv's also support HLG HDR?, which will be important for broadcast HDR eventually) will most likely be the most successful.

Yeah, I did come across the HLG setting while going through tv settings. Pretty cool since I hadn't even heard of it. Nice to have a tiny bit of future proofing for once.

While I'm excited for the DV update, I can see many discs and tv streaming services using HDR10+ since it is not proprietary like Dolby. I'm hoping our tv s can just get a firmware update eventually and keep us on top of the latest and greatest viewing options.