Hellraiser Trilogy Black Box (Turbine)

[turbine]

Originally Posted by MrBrown

What happened to Hellraiser III?
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=112...5&i=13&l=0&a=0
(and all other comparisons between Turbine and Arrow)

Turbine release is reframed to omit the part of the negative which would be masked on a theatrical copy as it's reserved for the optical track. Arrow almost shows full aperture. Look at the effects, which do stop at some virtual barrier at the left hand side. Everything from there on to the left should not be visible. It also means that you can see Doug Bradley kneeing in the statue wearing blue jeans and sneakers. Trendy guy, this Pinhead dude.

This is a capture a few seconds before or after the camera has shown the actor. You can clearly see the set on the left:
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a...=65304&i=2&l=0

Originally Posted by Monroville

Yet the Turbine HELLRAISER II has less detail than the Arrow release, despite coming from the same source (?).

All Turbine had to do was port over Arrow's HELLRAISER II, and color correct the Studjo Canal blu to the Arrow color timing, and this would have been THE set to get.

1. Apparently the Arrow Release of HR2 has been sharpened. We have used the very same source (AppleProRes master; provided by Arrow). Since we didn't sharpen or blur, that leaves us with only one explanation...

2. HR2 on our copy of the Studio Canal release looks like an upscale. Are we talking about the same release?

Originally Posted by LRSVDR

Somehow they managed to make Hellbound look worse while using a more dynamic and higher bitrate.

No, they made it look like the master delivered without sharpening it. If you ramp up sharpening, it'll look the same. It was not our intention to add "sharpness" during mastering. It's artificial.

Originally Posted by LRSVDR

III is sharpened and has edge ringing like mad.

To some extent, yes. But it also has the correct framing, and is sharper in general (see titles). This is why we do have both transfers on the disc.

Originally Posted by LRSVDR

But they managed to make Hellraiser look sharper with a lower but dynamic bitrate.

WTF!

Again, no sharpening or filtering applied. We just used a very special encoder to keep the texture of the grain.

Originally Posted by LRSVDR

Hellraiser makes me question Arrows encoding talent for the first time here.
The only explanation I can come up with is that Arrow used very slight DNR since it is extremely grainy,
and we all know how some people think about grain from the Arrow thread.

Possible, but don't know. Keep in mind that encoders _do_ pre-filter as part of the encoding process, so without applying DNR, you will get different results with different encoders.

Originally Posted by P-Rock

Hellraiser Arrow still looks extremely grainy. It's almost like Turbine added an artifical layer of grain to it.

Nope. Straight from the source.

Originally Posted by P-Rock

Anyway, you don't notice any dnr in motion on the Arrow release. I don't believe Turbine's version is all natural grain.

Not much I can't say then, right? If it's about believing, we're not looking at facts.

Originally Posted by LRSVDR

There's definitively more detail to the Turbine.
But I got to admit the Turbine grain does look a bit suspicious.

It's suspicious that our release seems to show more detail?! Would it be bad if it did (it actually does)? Is there a rule of thumb why it should not?