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Eye Candy · 01-10-2018, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dommie

Can't really compare the two. Nicholson was nominated in the Supporting Actor category and having one real strong scene in a film can get you a nomination in that category. Oldman will be up for the Best Actor (lead) category and you don't usually get nominated for a lead performance on the strength of one scene but rather if your performance carries through the whole film. In the case of Darkest Hour, I thought the film, as a whole, was one of the best films of 2017. That certainly would not have been the case if Oldman hadn't been so captivating in the lead role throughout the entire film. He gets my nod for a nomination and the win.

Makes me want to see the film...

In your opinion, is this Oldman's best lead performance??

cinemaphile · 01-10-2018, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Eye Candy

Makes me want to see the film...

In your opinion, is this Oldman's best lead performance??

Not for me. I mean, technically, yes maybe it's his best acting performance in an Oscar-type role, but personally I thought his best roles were in stuff like True Romance or The Professional, or even Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead. The man is a chameleon.

Batman1980 · 01-10-2018, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cinemaphile

Not for me. I mean, technically, yes maybe it's his best acting performance in an Oscar-type role, but personally I thought his best roles were in stuff like True Romance or The Professional, or even Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead. The man is a chameleon.

It's hard to argue against his performance in Dracula as well. I'm surprised he's not more revered, I honestly can't think of a living actor who has more skill.

dommie · 01-10-2018, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Eye Candy

Makes me want to see the film...

In your opinion, is this Oldman's best lead performance??

I wouldn't say it's his "best" but rather one of his best. I don't even know if I have a "best" Oldman performance because he has been so good in so many different roles. I can only describe Oldman's acting as being consistently great. I will say this. He definitely deserves the Golden Globe that he just won and I believe that he deserves the Oscar if he should get it.

Batman1980 · 01-10-2018, 06:34 PM

The main knock I've heard on the performance is all he does is yell but there's so much more to it than that. He literally disappears into the character (well as much as an actor like Oldman can disappear) and without the performance the film simply wouldn't work. To me, that says he did an outstanding job.

cinemaphile · 01-10-2018, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Batman1980

The main knock I've heard on the performance is all he does is yell

I hadn't heard that criticism, but anyone who is saying that is doing so based on the trailer and has not actually seen the movie. There are only a few times in the movie he even yells, and I'm pretty sure almost all of them are in the trailer.

yellowjacket1 · 01-11-2018, 02:43 AM

Honestly, this movie delivered more emotion and more story in any one scene than all of Nolan's Dunkirk. I'll take character driven story that elicits real emotion over a shallow procedural every time.

Eye Candy · 01-12-2018, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cinemaphile

I hadn't heard that criticism, but anyone who is saying that is doing so based on the trailer and has not actually seen the movie. There are only a few times in the movie he even yells, and I'm pretty sure almost all of them are in the trailer.

That's what made me apprehensive... a movie full of yelling.

What I love about Oldman's role in The Professional... is that, there were the quiet moments... and then the yelling. But the yelling always seemed appropriate, and not yelling for the sake of yelling, but only when appropriate... ala the Michael Corleone character.

A Sith Lord? · 01-12-2018, 02:36 AM

Oldman is just so good.

I wanna see this again this weekend. If Oldman doesn't win Oscar for this he'll never get one.

A Sith Lord? · 01-13-2018, 12:14 AM

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Leonidas King · 01-13-2018, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MasturB

Oldman is just so good.

I wanna see this again this weekend. If Oldman doesn't win Oscar for this he'll never get one.

At this point its a lock he will win.

mrcellophane · 01-13-2018, 03:52 AM

Sadly, I found this film to be aggressively average. I'm a fan of Joe Wright's other films but didn't see any of his usual innovation on display. There were a couple of interesting shots and scenes, but it was all pretty standard. Oldman is good as a bundle of jowls and quirks, and he conveys the sense of urgency, outrage, and fatigue that must have gripped that war room. It reminded me of Kenneth More's performance of a determined, fraying officer in Sink the Bismarck!.

I think the film suffers from a weak script. The dialogue was full of cliches and overused tropes.

Dialogue from the Movie:
King: I haaaaaaaaaate Winston.
Neville: The test results came back. I definitely have cancer.
King: I'm going to leave Winston.

Churchill Wife: I love you, but you're cranky.
later
Churchill Wife: I'm here! We're out of money!
later
Churchill Wife: Remember me? I'm having my picture taken!
later
Churchill Wife: Me again! I'm popping in to let you know I'm listening to the radio!

British politician #1: Where is Winston? His chair is empty.
British politician #2: He's being political. The empty chair is a motif.

Churchill (to driver): I once got lost on the subway. This will be important later.

cheez avenger · 01-13-2018, 07:47 PM

I saw this yesterday and it was ok. I think Oldman was great but the film was really self-contained and ends rather abruptly. Great performance, but just an just ok film.

Eye Candy · 01-14-2018, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cheez avenger

I saw this yesterday and it was ok. I think Oldman was great but the film was really self-contained and ends rather abruptly. Great performance, but just an just ok film.

it's a historical piece, not based on bombs and explosions, so I can wait to watch it when it gets to Crackle. No need to get out and see this on the big screen.

CelluloidPal · 01-14-2018, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Eye Candy

it's a historical piece, not based on bombs and explosions, so I can wait to watch it when it gets to Crackle. No need to get out and see this on the big screen.

I strongly disagree there. The movie has magnificent cinematography and massive scale does in fact lends itself to a big screen viewing.

Eye Candy · 01-14-2018, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CelluloidPal

I strongly disagree there. The movie has magnificent cinematography and massive scale does in fact lends itself to a big screen viewing.

Okay, I wasn't trying to demean the cinematography, but I'll wait anyway.

Foggy · 01-14-2018, 03:00 PM

I enjoyed it a lot, I have few reservations, as tremendous as both Oldman and the make up work is, something about his eyes poking out of the prosthetics kept distracting. I also found the score intrusive, some moments that could have been more effective with some more minimalist sound design (which the film has a few expert moments of) are sort of sunken by the over-theatrics of the score.

No problems with the subway scene, the whole film is quite larger than life and it’s a diversion that offers some levity. I think the problem is that it’s the axis for the entire final third of the film, so the fact it is somewhat more removed from reality might distract, but it never really bothered me. I think the only this I was a bit cold on was where it ended. I understand it’s where the whole arc of the film ends. But as something that has been drilled into nearly everyone by this point, it’s pretty apparent that the film was more to get some awards and then go down as an easy go to for History teachers to fill up a lesson with. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a good entertaining watch, but there’s nothing much challenging here.

Chaotic · 01-16-2018, 10:54 PM

I was surprised how much I really enjoyed this. The cinematography/ighting (the live broadcast especially) and sets are amazing. I think he only yells twice in the movie.

DanTheMan · 01-16-2018, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaotic

I was surprised how much I really enjoyed this. The cinematography/ighting (the live broadcast especially) and sets are amazing. I think he only yells twice in the movie.

We have different definitions for the term “yelling.”

Chaotic · 01-16-2018, 11:10 PM

I was just replying to those who think this is full of yelling from the trailer.

Its more shouting.

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01-14-2018, 03:00 PM	#77
Foggy Blu-ray Grand Duke Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:UK 4K collection:29 Blu-ray collection:3594 DVD collection:47	I enjoyed it a lot, I have few reservations, as tremendous as both Oldman and the make up work is, something about his eyes poking out of the prosthetics kept distracting. I also found the score intrusive, some moments that could have been more effective with some more minimalist sound design (which the film has a few expert moments of) are sort of sunken by the over-theatrics of the score. No problems with the subway scene, the whole film is quite larger than life and it’s a diversion that offers some levity. I think the problem is that it’s the axis for the entire final third of the film, so the fact it is somewhat more removed from reality might distract, but it never really bothered me. I think the only this I was a bit cold on was where it ended. I understand it’s where the whole arc of the film ends. But as something that has been drilled into nearly everyone by this point, it’s pretty apparent that the film was more to get some awards and then go down as an easy go to for History teachers to fill up a lesson with. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a good entertaining watch, but there’s nothing much challenging here. Last edited by Foggy; 01-14-2018 at 03:27 PM.

01-10-2018, 06:34 PM	#65
Batman1980 Blu-ray Jedi Member since:Feb 2009 Location:District 13 Home Theater Gallery:8 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:394 DVD collection:57 Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:48	The main knock I've heard on the performance is all he does is yell but there's so much more to it than that. He literally disappears into the character (well as much as an actor like Oldman can disappear) and without the performance the film simply wouldn't work. To me, that says he did an outstanding job.

01-11-2018, 02:43 AM	#67
yellowjacket1 Expert Member Member since:Sep 2015	Honestly, this movie delivered more emotion and more story in any one scene than all of Nolan's Dunkirk. I'll take character driven story that elicits real emotion over a shallow procedural every time.

01-12-2018, 02:36 AM	#69
A Sith Lord? Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2012 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:575 DVD collection:30 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1272 Trading Score:49	Oldman is just so good. I wanna see this again this weekend. If Oldman doesn't win Oscar for this he'll never get one.

01-13-2018, 12:14 AM	#70
A Sith Lord? Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2012 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:575 DVD collection:30 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1272 Trading Score:49	https://streamable.com/terpz

01-13-2018, 03:52 AM	#72
mrcellophane Active Member Member since:Oct 2013 Location:Norman, Oklahoma 4K collection:245 Blu-ray collection:3613 DVD collection:684	Sadly, I found this film to be aggressively average. I'm a fan of Joe Wright's other films but didn't see any of his usual innovation on display. There were a couple of interesting shots and scenes, but it was all pretty standard. Oldman is good as a bundle of jowls and quirks, and he conveys the sense of urgency, outrage, and fatigue that must have gripped that war room. It reminded me of Kenneth More's performance of a determined, fraying officer in Sink the Bismarck!. I think the film suffers from a weak script. The dialogue was full of cliches and overused tropes. Dialogue from the Movie: King: I haaaaaaaaaate Winston. Neville: The test results came back. I definitely have cancer. King: I'm going to leave Winston. Churchill Wife: I love you, but you're cranky. later Churchill Wife: I'm here! We're out of money! later Churchill Wife: Remember me? I'm having my picture taken! later Churchill Wife: Me again! I'm popping in to let you know I'm listening to the radio! British politician #1: Where is Winston? His chair is empty. British politician #2: He's being political. The empty chair is a motif. Churchill (to driver): I once got lost on the subway. This will be important later.

01-13-2018, 07:47 PM	#73
cheez avenger Blu-ray Champion Member since:Dec 2009 4K collection:804 Blu-ray collection:1583 Trading Score:9	I saw this yesterday and it was ok. I think Oldman was great but the film was really self-contained and ends rather abruptly. Great performance, but just an just ok film.

01-16-2018, 10:54 PM	#78
Chaotic Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Denver, CO	I was surprised how much I really enjoyed this. The cinematography/ighting (the live broadcast especially) and sets are amazing. I think he only yells twice in the movie.

01-16-2018, 11:10 PM	#80
Chaotic Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Denver, CO	I was just replying to those who think this is full of yelling from the trailer. Its more shouting.

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