Voice are very low in cener/front speakers. - Blu-ray Forum

DAT27 · 01-01-2009, 04:31 PM

Hi,

I have Klipsch Quintent III and synergy Sub-10 subwoofer connected to Onkyo 606.
I did setup the audio by using Onkyo's Audyssey setup.

When i watch movies the dialog voices are coming very low in center/front speakers but the surrounds are too heavy. Sometime i had to increase the volume when dialogues comes and had to decrease volume when action scenes come.
Here is the Speaker configuration.

Front - 120 Hz
Center - 150 Hz
Surround - 150 Hz
Surr Back - 120Hz
Surr Back Ch - 2ch
LFE - 90Hz

Level calibration Settings
Left - 5.0db
Center - 8.0db
Right - 5.0db
Surr Right - 7.0db
Surr left - 6.0 db
Surr Back R - 4..0db
Surr Back L - 4.0 db
Subwoofer - 13.0db

shall i modify any of the above settings?

Thanks in advance..

aramis109 · 01-01-2009, 04:58 PM

If you're listening to lossless audio for the first time, soundtracks are more dynamic than what you're probably used to. Here are some suggestions:

1. Turn the volume up so you can hear dialog and leave it there. This is how the soundtrack is meant to be heard- think about how it is when you see it in the theater.

2. Turn up the center channel a couple db in the setup. This will help compensate for any up and down issues as most dialog comes out the center.

3. Turn on DRC or Night-time mode. This will compress all of the audio to a closer listening level. This is my least favorite suggestion as it brings up the lows and down the highs, but it'll do what you're wanting.

DAT27 · 01-01-2009, 06:24 PM

Hi, Thanks for the suggestions.
Yes i have only volume issue with losseless audio movies.

I have increased Center channel volume to 11db. i will watch couple of movies.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aramis109

If you're listening to lossless audio for the first time, soundtracks are more dynamic than what you're probably used to. Here are some suggestions:

1. Turn the volume up so you can hear dialog and leave it there. This is how the soundtrack is meant to be heard- think about how it is when you see it in the theater.

2. Turn up the center channel a couple db in the setup. This will help compensate for any up and down issues as most dialog comes out the center.

3. Turn on DRC or Night-time mode. This will compress all of the audio to a closer listening level. This is my least favorite suggestion as it brings up the lows and down the highs, but it'll do what you're wanting.

HAMP · 01-01-2009, 09:28 PM

Just a little idea also. Make sure all the speakers are connected in the proper place on the receiver.

When I first had this same issue, I had a front left and rear right out of place on the receiver. I figured this out when I ran the Level calibration Settings, so maybe you have them all in the right place.

It can get a little confusing when you have all those wires in the back and trying to connecting them.

Before I fixed that problem, I did too turned up the center channel.

Afterwards I think it took me a couple weeks to even think about running the Audyssey and since then, the sound has been perfect.

I really love those Quintet III's you have. Do you have 5.1 or 7.1, the way explained your Level calibration Settings it looks like a 7.1.

If a 7.1 what are you using for the rears?

DAT27 · 01-01-2009, 09:50 PM

Hi HAMP,

I checked all the speakers and all are in correct place. I did re-run the Audyssey setup today before increased audio level to center channel..

I have 7.1 setup and rear surrounds Speakers are Synergy SS.5.

I too love the Quintet III for its crispy and clear sounds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HAMP

Just a little idea also. Make sure all the speakers are connected in the proper place on the receiver.

When I first had this same issue, I had a front left and rear right out of place on the receiver. I figured this out when I ran the Level calibration Settings, so maybe you have them all in the right place.

It can get a little confusing when you have all those wires in the back and trying to connecting them.

Before I fixed that problem, I did too turned up the center channel.

Afterwards I think it took me a couple weeks to even think about running the Audyssey and since then, the sound has been perfect.

I really love those Quintet III's you have. Do you have 5.1 or 7.1, the way explained your Level calibration Settings it looks like a 7.1.

If a 7.1 what are you using for the rears?

Driver_King · 01-01-2009, 11:27 PM

I would put all of those crossovers to around 80hz (including the sub). That should make things a lot better.

Blu_Ray_Fan · 01-01-2009, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driver_King

I would put all of those crossovers to around 80hz (including the sub). That should make things a lot better.

That is what I would suggest.

tegal3 · 01-02-2009, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAT27

Hi,

I have Klipsch Quintent III and synergy Sub-10 subwoofer connected to Onkyo 606.
I did setup the audio by using Onkyo's Audyssey setup.

When i watch movies the dialog voices are coming very low in center/front speakers but the surrounds are too heavy. Sometime i had to increase the volume when dialogues comes and had to decrease volume when action scenes come.
Here is the Speaker configuration.

Front - 120 Hz
Center - 150 Hz
Surround - 150 Hz
Surr Back - 120Hz
Surr Back Ch - 2ch
LFE - 90Hz

Level calibration Settings
Left - 5.0db
Center - 8.0db
Right - 5.0db
Surr Right - 7.0db
Surr left - 6.0 db
Surr Back R - 4..0db
Surr Back L - 4.0 db
Subwoofer - 13.0db

shall i modify any of the above settings?

Thanks in advance..

Buy SPL meter from Radio Shack & calibrate all your speakers to either 75 or 85db.

DAT27 · 01-02-2009, 01:49 AM

Hi Driver_King, i will try your suggestion. Thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driver_King

I would put all of those crossovers to around 80hz (including the sub). That should make things a lot better.

057user · 01-02-2009, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aramis109

If you're listening to lossless audio for the first time, soundtracks are more dynamic than what you're probably used to. Here are some suggestions:

1. Turn the volume up so you can hear dialog and leave it there. This is how the soundtrack is meant to be heard- think about how it is when you see it in the theater.

2. Turn up the center channel a couple db in the setup. This will help compensate for any up and down issues as most dialog comes out the center.

3. Turn on DRC or Night-time mode. This will compress all of the audio to a closer listening level. This is my least favorite suggestion as it brings up the lows and down the highs, but it'll do what you're wanting.

The " Get In, Sit the f Down, Shut the f up, & hang the f on" solution!

HAMP · 01-02-2009, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driver_King

I would put all of those crossovers to around 80hz (including the sub). That should make things a lot better.

That might not be the best idea. The sub yes, but the Quintet's can stay at the 120hz

Driver_King · 01-02-2009, 03:48 AM

All the speakers should be set at 120hz (I read the frequency response table at Klipsch) then. You may want to see if your receiver can jack up the sub's crossover to around 120hz then. It is far from ideal but is probably better than having a 40hz or more gap in different speakers.

HAMP · 01-02-2009, 04:27 AM

He has more then the Quintet's I believe.

I love how mine is set, you have any idea's for a change?

Front 50Hz
Center 80Hz
Surround 120Hz
Surr Backs 120Hz

Subs are set @ 80hz and on the receiver also. Someone told me to try and have have the receiver @ 80Hz and turn the sub itself all the way up, and it sounded terrible.

JasonR · 01-02-2009, 04:32 AM

That means you are losing 40 Hz worth of information....

HAMP · 01-02-2009, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonR

That means you are losing 40 Hz worth of information....

Your saying I'm losing 40Hz of information?

aramis109 · 01-02-2009, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonR

That means you are losing 40 Hz worth of information....

Exactly. Set your LPF of LFE at 120hz or your surrounds won't sound right. Your fronts and center aren't going to be sending information that's above 80hz anyway.

JasonR · 01-02-2009, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HAMP

Your saying I'm losing 40Hz of information?

Anything above your subs 80Hz xover is being thrown away. That is why you would want to crank your subs xover all of the way up and adjust at receiver level...

HAMP · 01-02-2009, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonR

Anything above your subs 80Hz xover is being thrown away. That is why you would want to crank your subs xover all of the way up and adjust at receiver level...

This flat-out does not work for me! If I put the subs @120 on them and have the receiver @ 80...... MAN o MAN that is the worst

JasonR · 01-02-2009, 04:59 AM

Set the LPF of LFE at the highest level on your receiver. The only levels you might want to adjust are fronts, center, and surrounds.

aramis109 · 01-02-2009, 05:00 AM

There's no reason it should be, unless you've got something wrong in your setup. By turning the sub's crossover dial all the way up you're allowing it to take everything it's given. You then limit it through the receiver... which should be set at 120hz if you have your surrounds sending it information that's below that.

How does it sound "the worst"? Is there crackle? Too much bass? Have you calibrated after turning the dial all the way up? Are you sure you're not turning the sub VOLUME all the way up (it should be around 50-75% and no further)?

01-01-2009, 04:31 PM	#1
DAT27 Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 4K collection:197 Blu-ray collection:781 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:11	Voice are very low in cener/front speakers. Hi, I have Klipsch Quintent III and synergy Sub-10 subwoofer connected to Onkyo 606. I did setup the audio by using Onkyo's Audyssey setup. When i watch movies the dialog voices are coming very low in center/front speakers but the surrounds are too heavy. Sometime i had to increase the volume when dialogues comes and had to decrease volume when action scenes come. Here is the Speaker configuration. Front - 120 Hz Center - 150 Hz Surround - 150 Hz Surr Back - 120Hz Surr Back Ch - 2ch LFE - 90Hz Level calibration Settings Left - 5.0db Center - 8.0db Right - 5.0db Surr Right - 7.0db Surr left - 6.0 db Surr Back R - 4..0db Surr Back L - 4.0 db Subwoofer - 13.0db shall i modify any of the above settings? Thanks in advance..

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01-01-2009, 04:58 PM	#2
aramis109 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Milwaukee, WI Home Theater Gallery:10 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:360 Trading Score:18	If you're listening to lossless audio for the first time, soundtracks are more dynamic than what you're probably used to. Here are some suggestions: 1. Turn the volume up so you can hear dialog and leave it there. This is how the soundtrack is meant to be heard- think about how it is when you see it in the theater. 2. Turn up the center channel a couple db in the setup. This will help compensate for any up and down issues as most dialog comes out the center. 3. Turn on DRC or Night-time mode. This will compress all of the audio to a closer listening level. This is my least favorite suggestion as it brings up the lows and down the highs, but it'll do what you're wanting.

01-01-2009, 09:28 PM	#4
HAMP Banned Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Michigan Home Theater Gallery:13 Blu-ray collection:272 Trading Score:1	Just a little idea also. Make sure all the speakers are connected in the proper place on the receiver. When I first had this same issue, I had a front left and rear right out of place on the receiver. I figured this out when I ran the Level calibration Settings, so maybe you have them all in the right place. It can get a little confusing when you have all those wires in the back and trying to connecting them. Before I fixed that problem, I did too turned up the center channel. Afterwards I think it took me a couple weeks to even think about running the Audyssey and since then, the sound has been perfect. I really love those Quintet III's you have. Do you have 5.1 or 7.1, the way explained your Level calibration Settings it looks like a 7.1. If a 7.1 what are you using for the rears?

01-01-2009, 11:27 PM	#6
Driver_King Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Tampa Bay, Florida Home Theater Gallery:96 Blu-ray collection:28 Trading Score:10	I would put all of those crossovers to around 80hz (including the sub). That should make things a lot better.

01-02-2009, 03:48 AM	#12
Driver_King Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Tampa Bay, Florida Home Theater Gallery:96 Blu-ray collection:28 Trading Score:10	All the speakers should be set at 120hz (I read the frequency response table at Klipsch) then. You may want to see if your receiver can jack up the sub's crossover to around 120hz then. It is far from ideal but is probably better than having a 40hz or more gap in different speakers.

01-02-2009, 04:27 AM	#13
HAMP Banned Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Michigan Home Theater Gallery:13 Blu-ray collection:272 Trading Score:1	He has more then the Quintet's I believe. I love how mine is set, you have any idea's for a change? Front 50Hz Center 80Hz Surround 120Hz Surr Backs 120Hz Subs are set @ 80hz and on the receiver also. Someone told me to try and have have the receiver @ 80Hz and turn the sub itself all the way up, and it sounded terrible.

01-02-2009, 04:32 AM	#14
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	That means you are losing 40 Hz worth of information....

01-02-2009, 04:59 AM	#19
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	Set the LPF of LFE at the highest level on your receiver. The only levels you might want to adjust are fronts, center, and surrounds.

01-02-2009, 05:00 AM	#20
aramis109 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Milwaukee, WI Home Theater Gallery:10 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:360 Trading Score:18	There's no reason it should be, unless you've got something wrong in your setup. By turning the sub's crossover dial all the way up you're allowing it to take everything it's given. You then limit it through the receiver... which should be set at 120hz if you have your surrounds sending it information that's below that. How does it sound "the worst"? Is there crackle? Too much bass? Have you calibrated after turning the dial all the way up? Are you sure you're not turning the sub VOLUME all the way up (it should be around 50-75% and no further)?

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