Blade Runner 4K UHD (1982) - Page 162 - Blu-ray Forum

philthehip · 01-04-2018, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by chip75

http://dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=111

Many thanks

KMFDMvsEnya · 01-05-2018, 12:00 AM

I have processed both the original Final Cut Blu-ray 5.1 mix and the UHD Dolby Atmos 7.1 and the Atmos mix is overall a louder track.
There is a fair amount more content in the LFE channel of the Atmos mix. Corresponds with with an example I have previously commented on, around the 27-30 minute mark. Chapters 10 & 11 for both BR and UHD.

Dolby Atmos 7.1
ITU-R BS.1770-3 Loudness: -19.35 LUFS

Dolby TrueHD 5.1
ITU-R BS.1770-3 Loudness: -21.18 LUFS

This is the first time I have extracted an audio track from a h.265 file with eac3to, so there is potential for perhaps some error or incorrect handling of an Atmos track. Also I used an older MKV file I had made with MakeMKV of the blu-ray of the FC years ago, hopefully it was ripped correctly then.

What is interesting is with the original blu-ray there is evidently some clipped audio samples, whereas the Atmos track has at least limited most channels to a max of -0.02.

[Show spoiler]

For whichever reason eac3to believes the Atmos track is not full 24bits, that maybe an error. While the DTHD reads as full 24bits. I have had a similar situation when I compared the Casino Royale tracks. DTHD read as less than 24bit and the DTSMA was full 24bits. In that case however all versions had effectively the exact same dynamic range characteristics.

Filmmaker · 01-05-2018, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

I have processed both the original Final Cut Blu-ray 5.1 mix and the UHD Dolby Atmos 7.1 and the Atmos mix is overall a louder track.
There is a far amount more content in the LFE channel of the Atmos mix. Corresponds with with an example I have previously commented on, around the 27-30 minute mark. Chapters 10 & 11 for both BR and UHD.

Dolby Atmos 7.1
ITU-R BS.1770-3 Loudness: -19.35 LUFS

Dolby TrueHD 5.1
ITU-R BS.1770-3 Loudness: -21.18 LUFS

This is the first time I have extracted an audio track from a h.265 file with eac3to, so there is potential for perhaps some error or incorrect handling of an Atmos track. Also I used an older MKV file I had made with MakeMKV of the blu-ray of the FC years ago, hopefully it was ripped correctly then.

What is interesting is with the original blu-ray there is evidently some clipped audio samples, whereas the Atmos track has at least limited most channels to a max of -0.02.

[Show spoiler]

For whichever reason eac3to believes the Atmos track is not full 24bits, that maybe an error. While the DTHD reads as full 24bits. I have had a similar situation when I compared the Casino Royale tracks. DTHD read as less than 24bit and the DTSMA was full 24bits. In that case however all versions had effectively the exact same dynamic range characteristics.

KMFDMvsEnya · 01-05-2018, 04:08 AM

Atmos is louder than the 5.1 Final Cut mix found on the original blu-ray, by an average of nearly 2dbs.
Factor out the extra two surround back channels and the average per channel is higher.
Some channels are 2-5dbs louder on the Atmos track than the 5.1 mix.

Bit more dynamic range compression applied to the Atmos track, which helps avoid hard clipping but the limiting in various bits can sound a bit harsh.

If you want to hear two distinct examples of the mixes being different then start up Chapters 10 and 11 to do your own comparison. Take note of the bass in each example.

roguejp · 01-05-2018, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

Just watched the BD for The Final Cut (the only cut I like) last night to get ready for my first viewing for the new one and man is it ever gorgeous. A stunning transfer. If the film doesn't offer much in terms of plot (IMO) then it's just a visual treat to watch.

Are you sure you mean the BD and not the UHD? To be honest, the quality of the BD isn't that great (I'm saying this in a nice way

).

dommie · 01-08-2018, 05:28 AM

I finally got around to watching Blade Runner on 4K tonight. This has to be the best looking 4K disc I have watched to date, and that includes Dunkirk. Absolutely stunning. This film has never looked this good. Add to that, the fantastic atmos sound design on this disc. I loved the way this disc sounded and that's it. Vangelis music was just amazing in this film and this UHD version really does it justice. I have owned the original 5 disc set that was first released years ago and will be keeping it for the other versions included in that set but this new 4K is just top flight all the way.

I am really looking forward to next week's 4K for Blade Runner 2049. I just hope they do as well, if not better, than was done for the original

RockyIII · 01-08-2018, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dommie

I finally got around to watching Blade Runner on 4K tonight. This has to be the best looking 4K disc I have watched to date, and that includes Dunkirk. Absolutely stunning. This film has never looked this good. Add to that, the fantastic atmos sound design on this disc. I loved the way this disc sounded and that's it. Vangelis music was just amazing in this film and this UHD version really does it justice. I have owned the original 5 disc set that was first released years ago and will be keeping it for the other versions included in that set but this new 4K is just top flight all the way.

I am really looking forward to next week's 4K for Blade Runner 2049. I just hope they do as well, if not better, than was done for the original

It really felt like jumping into a time machine and going back to 1980s. It all looked like a recent production yet from 30 years ago

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Cutter_ · 01-08-2018, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dommie

I finally got around to watching Blade Runner on 4K tonight. This has to be the best looking 4K disc I have watched to date, and that includes Dunkirk. Absolutely stunning. This film has never looked this good. Add to that, the fantastic atmos sound design on this disc. I loved the way this disc sounded and that's it. Vangelis music was just amazing in this film and this UHD version really does it justice.

Agree 100%. I just watched it this weekend. This ranks up there with Unforgiven as my favorite 4K transfer. It looked amazing!

dcx4610 · 01-08-2018, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dommie

I finally got around to watching Blade Runner on 4K tonight. This has to be the best looking 4K disc I have watched to date, and that includes Dunkirk. Absolutely stunning. This film has never looked this good. Add to that, the fantastic atmos sound design on this disc. I loved the way this disc sounded and that's it. Vangelis music was just amazing in this film and this UHD version really does it justice. I have owned the original 5 disc set that was first released years ago and will be keeping it for the other versions included in that set but this new 4K is just top flight all the way.

I am really looking forward to next week's 4K for Blade Runner 2049. I just hope they do as well, if not better, than was done for the original

Same. I was shocked when the opening transitioned to the cityscape and the eye. It looked and almost as impressive, sounded, like a modern movie. Not in a bad way either. It's just a pristine image and shows what older movies that are properly restored can look like in 4k.

Easily my best looking and sounding older movie.

IronWaffle · 01-09-2018, 12:56 AM

With 2049's home release edging closer I finally got around to re-watching the original. The first time I saw this was "The Director's Cut" blown-up for Cinerama in 1992/1993. I remember being blown away by how well the optical effects held up on such a large screen and this release doesn't disappoint. Simply gorgeous.

Just as my set doesn't rate the highest HDR specs, my audio is limited to 7.1. But just as the grain, resolution and color saturation blew me away on the visual side, the 7.1 is equally impressive with its discrete placement and robust sonic range. Yeah, there's a tinniness in the dialogue that betrays the vintage but the score and sound effects are deeply immersive enough that I'm that much more excited for eventual ATMOS hardware. The schism between the thin dialogue and the rich soundtrack is a tad jarring but it makes sense. I'd forgotten how phantasmagorical the sound design becomes in the final act (say, from around Pris' final scene through Batty's final scene). Splendidly unsettling.

Zimmy · 01-09-2018, 02:07 AM

I continued to watch this today.
From where Roy meets Sebastian to Decker and Pris fight.

Wow, I am 100% sold on Atmos. It was like watching a new movie.
I have had every form of surround since the Laserdisc and this literally blew me away.
No hearing sounds from direct left or right, the whole room just filled with sound.
And this is with a standard 7.1 setup.

dommie · 01-09-2018, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cutter_

Agree 100%. I just watched it this weekend. This ranks up there with Unforgiven as my favorite 4K transfer. It looked amazing!

I haven't checked out the 4K for Unforgiven yet but I have heard, as you note, that it is one of the best 4K discs available right now. I missed grabbing it when Best Buy had it for $14.99 around Black Friday and I am really sorry about that. It's now back up to $31.99 ($28.34 on Amazon)!!!! I'll have to wait for the next sale point, hopefully not too far down the road.

dcx4610 · 01-09-2018, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dommie

I haven't checked out the 4K for Unforgiven yet but I have heard, as you note, that it is one of the best 4K discs available right now. I missed grabbing it when Best Buy had it for $14.99 around Black Friday and I am really sorry about that. It's now back up to $31.99 ($28.34 on Amazon)!!!! I'll have to wait for the next sale point, hopefully not too far down the road.

Unforgiven is part of the buy 3 for $49.99 deal if you need anything else.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/promotion/...blurayforum-20

dommie · 01-09-2018, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dcx4610

Unforgiven is part of the buy 3 for $49.99 deal if you need anything else.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/promotion/...blurayforum-20

Thanks. I did notice that but, unfortunately, I can't find two others that I want right now.

NightKing · 01-13-2018, 01:15 AM

I had ordered this during black friday and just now got to watch it last night with my new 4k/Atmos set up. The atmos completely blew me away.

However, I did have a couple issues. At around 55 minutes and 120 minutes the picture froze, went white then green and did all sorts of crazy stuff until picking up the film several seconds past the initial freeze. I rewinded and it happened at the same spots a second time. Is my disc defective? Anyone else have a similar problem like this? I was playing it on the Xbox One X.

ROSS.T.G. · 01-13-2018, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Zimmy

I continued to watch this today.
From where Roy meets Sebastian to Decker and Pris fight.

Wow, I am 100% sold on Atmos. It was like watching a new movie.
I have had every form of surround since the Laserdisc and this literally blew me away.
No hearing sounds from direct left or right, the whole room just filled with sound.
And this is with a standard 7.1 setup.

Yeah it’s a great Atmos track. One of the best.

Ray_Rogers · 01-13-2018, 06:08 AM

I bought this release during the duration I was banned since I was a trolling asshat. Fine release to me but I'm still keeping the rest of the BLADE RUNNER stuff in my BLADE RUNNER collection.

ArnoldLayne56 · 01-13-2018, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Yeah it’s a great Atmos track. One of the best.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zimmy

I continued to watch this today.
From where Roy meets Sebastian to Decker and Pris fight.

Wow, I am 100% sold on Atmos. It was like watching a new movie.
I have had every form of surround since the Laserdisc and this literally blew me away.
No hearing sounds from direct left or right, the whole room just filled with sound.
And this is with a standard 7.1 setup.

Confused- You liked the mix played on your non-Atmos 7.1 setup or you do have an Atmos setup 7.1.x ?

ROSS.T.G. · 01-13-2018, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ArnoldLayne56

Confused- You liked the mix played on your non-Atmos 7.1 setup or you do have an Atmos setup 7.1.x ?

I have an Atmos setup. 7.2.2

Zimmy · 01-13-2018, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ArnoldLayne56

Confused- You liked the mix played on your non-Atmos 7.1 setup or you do have an Atmos setup 7.1.x ?

My point was that all I have is a 7.1 Atmos setup (4 back surrounds).
I’m not lucky enough to have a ceiling setup.

01-05-2018, 12:00 AM	#3222
KMFDMvsEnya Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2014 Location:UT	I have processed both the original Final Cut Blu-ray 5.1 mix and the UHD Dolby Atmos 7.1 and the Atmos mix is overall a louder track. There is a fair amount more content in the LFE channel of the Atmos mix. Corresponds with with an example I have previously commented on, around the 27-30 minute mark. Chapters 10 & 11 for both BR and UHD. Dolby Atmos 7.1 ITU-R BS.1770-3 Loudness: -19.35 LUFS Dolby TrueHD 5.1 ITU-R BS.1770-3 Loudness: -21.18 LUFS This is the first time I have extracted an audio track from a h.265 file with eac3to, so there is potential for perhaps some error or incorrect handling of an Atmos track. Also I used an older MKV file I had made with MakeMKV of the blu-ray of the FC years ago, hopefully it was ripped correctly then. What is interesting is with the original blu-ray there is evidently some clipped audio samples, whereas the Atmos track has at least limited most channels to a max of -0.02. [Show spoiler] For whichever reason eac3to believes the Atmos track is not full 24bits, that maybe an error. While the DTHD reads as full 24bits. I have had a similar situation when I compared the Casino Royale tracks. DTHD read as less than 24bit and the DTSMA was full 24bits. In that case however all versions had effectively the exact same dynamic range characteristics. Last edited by KMFDMvsEnya; 01-05-2018 at 03:52 PM.

01-09-2018, 12:56 AM	#3230
IronWaffle Special Member Top contributor Member since:Oct 2010 Location:Columbia, MD 4K collection:107 Blu-ray collection:795 Digital collection:46 iTunes collection:80 Prime collection:16 Trading Score:3	With 2049's home release edging closer I finally got around to re-watching the original. The first time I saw this was "The Director's Cut" blown-up for Cinerama in 1992/1993. I remember being blown away by how well the optical effects held up on such a large screen and this release doesn't disappoint. Simply gorgeous. Just as my set doesn't rate the highest HDR specs, my audio is limited to 7.1. But just as the grain, resolution and color saturation blew me away on the visual side, the 7.1 is equally impressive with its discrete placement and robust sonic range. Yeah, there's a tinniness in the dialogue that betrays the vintage but the score and sound effects are deeply immersive enough that I'm that much more excited for eventual ATMOS hardware. The schism between the thin dialogue and the rich soundtrack is a tad jarring but it makes sense. I'd forgotten how phantasmagorical the sound design becomes in the final act (say, from around Pris' final scene through Batty's final scene). Splendidly unsettling. Last edited by IronWaffle; 01-09-2018 at 01:29 AM.

01-05-2018, 04:08 AM	#3224
KMFDMvsEnya Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2014 Location:UT	Atmos is louder than the 5.1 Final Cut mix found on the original blu-ray, by an average of nearly 2dbs. Factor out the extra two surround back channels and the average per channel is higher. Some channels are 2-5dbs louder on the Atmos track than the 5.1 mix. Bit more dynamic range compression applied to the Atmos track, which helps avoid hard clipping but the limiting in various bits can sound a bit harsh. If you want to hear two distinct examples of the mixes being different then start up Chapters 10 and 11 to do your own comparison. Take note of the bass in each example.

01-08-2018, 05:28 AM	#3226
dommie Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2010 Location:So Cal 4K collection:28 Blu-ray collection:311 DVD collection:29	I finally got around to watching Blade Runner on 4K tonight. This has to be the best looking 4K disc I have watched to date, and that includes Dunkirk. Absolutely stunning. This film has never looked this good. Add to that, the fantastic atmos sound design on this disc. I loved the way this disc sounded and that's it. Vangelis music was just amazing in this film and this UHD version really does it justice. I have owned the original 5 disc set that was first released years ago and will be keeping it for the other versions included in that set but this new 4K is just top flight all the way. I am really looking forward to next week's 4K for Blade Runner 2049. I just hope they do as well, if not better, than was done for the original

01-09-2018, 02:07 AM	#3231
Zimmy Special Member Member since:Sep 2009 Trading Score:2	I continued to watch this today. From where Roy meets Sebastian to Decker and Pris fight. Wow, I am 100% sold on Atmos. It was like watching a new movie. I have had every form of surround since the Laserdisc and this literally blew me away. No hearing sounds from direct left or right, the whole room just filled with sound. And this is with a standard 7.1 setup.

01-13-2018, 01:15 AM	#3235
NightKing Senior Member Member since:Sep 2017 Location:Maryland 4K collection:149 Blu-ray collection:597 Trading Score:43	I had ordered this during black friday and just now got to watch it last night with my new 4k/Atmos set up. The atmos completely blew me away. However, I did have a couple issues. At around 55 minutes and 120 minutes the picture froze, went white then green and did all sorts of crazy stuff until picking up the film several seconds past the initial freeze. I rewinded and it happened at the same spots a second time. Is my disc defective? Anyone else have a similar problem like this? I was playing it on the Xbox One X.

01-13-2018, 06:08 AM	#3237
Ray_Rogers Banned Top contributor Member since:Aug 2009 Location:Watsonville, California Trading Score:31	I bought this release during the duration I was banned since I was a trolling asshat. Fine release to me but I'm still keeping the rest of the BLADE RUNNER stuff in my BLADE RUNNER collection.

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