Justice League 4K UHD (2017)

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by Deric2014

They need to be removed completely.

The Knightmare Sequence is a work of art.

[NegaScott128]

Originally Posted by BluRayHiDef

The Knightmare Sequence is a work of art.

It's a 5 minute scene that's confusing for non-fans, has some very awkward fight choreography, doesn't really develop Batman's character beyond what is already established in other scenes (and in fact kinda muddies the water a bit), and due to the change in direction established by JL, doesn't even accomplish the sequel set-up that it was trying to do. As a bit of fanservice, it's kinda functional, but it should not have been included in the theatrical cut since it comes at the expense of more important scenes like the extended Nairomi sequence.

[JTStarkiller]

Completely disagree.

[NegaScott128]

Originally Posted by JTStarkiller

Completely disagree.

This is a discussion forum, yes? Then discuss. Explain why you disagree.

[idlebrain]

Originally Posted by NegaScott128

It's a 5 minute scene that's confusing for non-fans, has some very awkward fight choreography, doesn't really develop Batman's character beyond what is already established in other scenes (and in fact kinda muddies the water a bit), and due to the change in direction established by JL, doesn't even accomplish the sequel set-up that it was trying to do. As a bit of fanservice, it's kinda functional, but it should not have been included in the theatrical cut since it comes at the expense of more important scenes like the extended Nairomi sequence.

I love B v S, every sequence in the movie is a work of art imo but I completely agree with this reasoning. They should have removed those scenes in TC and make way to Nairomi sequence and Supes investigation.

[LoSouL]

Originally Posted by JTStarkiller

Completely disagree.

Me too.

Everything he said was wrong. That's why I disagree.

[NegaScott128]

Originally Posted by LoSouL

Everything he said was wrong.

So it's not a 5 minute scene?

[LoSouL]

Originally Posted by NegaScott128

So it's not a 5 minute scene?

Probably not. It could be something like 4 minutes and 32 seconds, or even 5 minutes and 47 seconds.

[NegaScott128]

Originally Posted by LoSouL

Probably not.

Oh, so you're not gonna check? 'Cause I did.

[LoSouL]

Originally Posted by NegaScott128

Oh, so you're not gonna check? 'Cause I did.

So then you know it's not exactly 5 minutes.

[zodwriter]

The Zack Snyder Cut apparently pays off the Knightmare sequence beautifully with Darkseid and Apokolips. From what I can tell Zack Snyder's vision is a masterpiece in the way it connects and completes it's trilogy role with Man of Steel and BvS. The theatrical cut is an epic disservice. No wonder it didn't make any money!

Zack Snyder Cut Justice League all Leaked Deleated Scenes 2017 - YouTube

In many ways I feel like letting Joss Whedon joke up and change so much of Justice League would have been the equivalent of letting Joel Schumacher finish The Dark Knight Rises for Christopher Nolan! Totally nonsensical and counter to almost everything in story and tone established in previous films.

[NegaScott128]

Originally Posted by LoSouL

So then you know it's not exactly 5 minutes.

You just admitted you didn't know how long it is. And that you weren't going to check. So...

[zodwriter]

WB should release The Snyder Cut in theaters before Aquaman comes out and that would recoup some of the costs. Many news reports claim that VFX work was still being done on Justice League even after it was released. If that's true, it strongly supports the notion that The Snyder Cut is being worked on. Perhaps this was WB's plan all along? Theatrical Cut hits home video and then months later The Snyder Cut to get people ready for Aquaman.

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by NegaScott128

It's a 5 minute scene that's confusing for non-fans, has some very awkward fight choreography, doesn't really develop Batman's character beyond what is already established in other scenes (and in fact kinda muddies the water a bit), and due to the change in direction established by JL, doesn't even accomplish the sequel set-up that it was trying to do. As a bit of fanservice, it's kinda functional, but it should not have been included in the theatrical cut since it comes at the expense of more important scenes like the extended Nairomi sequence.

One issue was that the scene was shot in IMAX, so they probably felt they couldn't junk it (also without it, there is no IMAX sequence from the intro all the way to the fight kicking off the third act, that would be a long wait for audiences).

The extended Africa scene is the one scene I felt really did add to the film in the extended cut (overall I prefer the theatrical, the film is already too long and adding half an hour of fine, but almost all unnecessary, scenes doesn't help things), but if you look there are tons of violence cuts in that scene, so the need for a PG-13 theatrical release may have been the biggest factor there.

[robomole]

I don’t see how anyone can be so confused about the Knightmare stuff. The payoff was obviously never fully realized in Justice League. But it was paid off none the less. The Knightmare sequence showed us a world ruled by a dictator Superman who had turned evil. This fueled Bruce’s desire to kill Superman in case he ever turns. In Justice League Superman wakes up evil and Bruce knows what that could lead to. So he remembers the second part of the vision. The Flash telling him “Lois Lane is the key!” So Bruce recruits Lois Lane to bring Superman back to normal. Now we all know Snyder wanted a better payoff for all this but we got what we got. To say it serves no purpose you must not be paying attention.

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by robomole

I don’t see how anyone can be so confused about the Knightmare stuff. The payoff was obviously never fully realized in Justice League. But it was paid off none the less. The Knightmare sequence showed us a world ruled by a dictator Superman who had turned evil. This fueled Bruce’s desire to kill Superman in case he ever turns. In Justice League Superman wakes up evil and Bruce knows what that could lead to. So he remembers the second part of the vision. The Flash telling him “Lois Lane is the key!” So Bruce recruits Lois Lane to bring Superman back to normal. Now we all know Snyder wanted a better payoff for all this but we got what we got. To say it serves no purpose you must not be paying attention.

Exactly, also I viewed the "you were right about him" line as Flash telling Bruce he was right to resurrect Superman. Of course Bruce misinterprets it at the time to mean he was right about Supes being a threat (again with Flash saying "am I too early")- it was an awkward scene in BvS but pays off just fine IMO.

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

Originally Posted by robomole

I don’t see how anyone can be so confused about the Knightmare stuff. The payoff was obviously never fully realized in Justice League. But it was paid off none the less. The Knightmare sequence showed us a world ruled by a dictator Superman who had turned evil. This fueled Bruce’s desire to kill Superman in case he ever turns. In Justice League Superman wakes up evil and Bruce knows what that could lead to. So he remembers the second part of the vision. The Flash telling him “Lois Lane is the key!” So Bruce recruits Lois Lane to bring Superman back to normal. Now we all know Snyder wanted a better payoff for all this but we got what we got. To say it serves no purpose you must not be paying attention.

somebody was paying attention. Sheeesh

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

The Zack Snyder Cut apparently pays off the Knightmare sequence beautifully with Darkseid and Apokolips. From what I can tell Zack Snyder's vision is a masterpiece in the way it connects and completes it's trilogy role with Man of Steel and BvS. The theatrical cut is an epic disservice. No wonder it didn't make any money!

Zack Snyder Cut Justice League all Leaked Deleated Scenes 2017 - YouTube

In many ways I feel like letting Joss Whedon joke up and change so much of Justice League would have been the equivalent of letting Joel Schumacher finish The Dark Knight Rises for Christopher Nolan! Totally nonsensical and counter to almost everything in story and tone established in previous films.

That last paragraph....my MAN!!!!

[LoSouL]

Originally Posted by NegaScott128

You just admitted you didn't know how long it is. And that you weren't going to check. So...

I completely disagree.

Originally Posted by NegaScott128

in the theatrical cut

source used: https://www.vudu.com/movies/#!conten...ice-Theatrical

0:51:14 Bruce Wayne begins decryption sequence in which he will begin his vision quest.

+ 20 seconds

0:51:34 Cuts to black, sound of metal door initiates the Knightmare sequence

+ 3 minutes and 44 seconds

0:55:18 Batman's scream segues into Bruce Wayne "waking" from the Knightmare to be warned by Flash.

+ 37 seconds

0:55:54 Flash's "find them" reverberation segues into Bruce Wayne once again awaking, for real this time.

+ 15 seconds

0:56:09 Decryption completes after Bruce Wayne spends time looking perplexed.

Total: 4 minutes and 56 seconds

Apokolips sequence: 3 minutes and 44 seconds

Apokolips sequence + Flash sequence: 4 minutes and 21 seconds

That's not 5 minutes.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

WB should release The Snyder Cut in theaters before Aquaman comes out and that would recoup some of the costs. Many news reports claim that VFX work was still being done on Justice League even after it was released. If that's true, it strongly supports the notion that The Snyder Cut is being worked on. Perhaps this was WB's plan all along? Theatrical Cut hits home video and then months later The Snyder Cut to get people ready for Aquaman.

A VFX Artist on the film said the only VFX work being done after release was cleaning up a few shots and removing Iris from the deleted Flash scene and replacing her with a random woman as WB either wants to recast Iris or introduce her properly in Flashpoint.

Don't take something out of context to support your view. And if you do, don't use something that can be very easily debunked.

The only VFX work being done were these minor things being done by a small group of the full VFX team on Justice League. The bulk of the VFX team were moved onto other projects (the VFX artist in question was moved onto Aquaman) with many deleted sequences left unfinished and that is how they will remain for the foreseeable future. Once the work was finished, the plan was to move that small team onto other projects as well. The VFX artist stressed that it will cost a lot of money to finish the deleted sequences and they are currently in no state to be released as is.