Justice League 4K UHD (2017)

[EbonDragon]

TDKR didn’t handle Bruce being overwhelmed by grief. It skipped it almost entirely. Bruce doesn’t feature in the storyline until he’s pulled out of his grief by Catwoman. We see him start to overcome it, never outright dealing with it.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by EbonDragon

TDKR didn’t handle Bruce being overwhelmed by grief. It skipped it almost entirely. Bruce doesn’t feature in the storyline until he’s pulled out of his grief by Catwoman. We see him start to overcome it, never outright dealing with it.

Bruce's grief for Rachel feeds through the entire film. Bruce has decided that, with Rachel dead and all hope of a life with her gone, he has nothing left to live for. As Alfred says, Bruce hasn't tried to move on from Rachel and has instead been waiting for Gotham to go bad again so he can dive into Batman until it kills him. Bruce has no plans for a life beyond Batman and plans to keep going until it kills him. This leads to him underestimating Bane, dismissing Alfred's concerns by saying "I'll fight harder" and enjoying the thrill of being Batman once more a little too much. When Alfred reveals that Rachel was going to marry Harvey, Bruce loses her all over again. Bruce doesn't see a life beyond Batman, he doesn't see anything worth living for apart from being Batman. It's only his time in the pit that enables him to find something else to live for, or at least something worth dying for. This is shown, rather clunkily I must admit, by Bane and Batman's exchange during the final battle;

"So, you came back to die with your city."

"No. I came back to stop you."

Bruce climbing out of the pit is the moment he not only remembers who he is and what being Batman means ("Fear will find you again", the bats) but it's also when he's able to see chance of a life beyond Batman. The moment where he's finally able to put the anger and grief of losing Rachel behind him and is able to be "born again". After the pit, Bruce is a changed man. The pit brings him back from the dead (metaphorically). It's where Bruce begins to start trusting again. Trust and letting the past consume you are two of the film's major themes. Bruce stops letting the past consume him and begins to start trusting the people of Gotham to save themselves. The ending of the film is Bruce entrusting the safety of Gotham into the hands of others, finally able to move on from both Batman and the pain of Rachel's loss to start a new life with Selina.

I could write a lot more about how The Dark Knight Rises finishes Bruce's character development, and how its tied to him moving on from Rachel's death, a lot more. Rachel's death is a major part of the film and his grief is a large part of his character development.

Rachel's death is a major part of The Dark Knight Rises and Bruce's character development. Robin's death in Batman v Superman on the other hand is treated like an afterthought and Bruce's grief is glossed over, making what should be a major part of his character development be underdeveloped. Most audience members won't even pick up on that Bruce is acting out of character because of Robin's death (Robin's costume appears for less than five seconds and the character is never mentioned once). It's an element I've noticed in quite a few of Snyder's films, where a part of a character's development is just quickly dropped in and Snyder seemingly assumes that the rest will work itself out. If Robin's death (and by extension the death of his parents) was going to be a major part of Batman's character and his development, it should have been given the proper focus and treatment it deserved.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

It's a shame that we won't see a full character arc for Affleck. I think he was great in BvS. He was angry, tired of losing, and showed 100% conviction in his hunt for Superman. And you cannot say Batman didn't kill in other iterations. Keaton murders about everyone in his movies. While more rare, there are quite a few instances when Bale killed. Even running over cop cars with the tumbler, he didn't care if they died.

Each actor brings something different to Batman, and I love each one separately. I try not to compare.

Same with Superman. I grew up on Reeves, and he is a classic. My childhood hero. But his portrayal wouldnt work in these movies. He is a bit cheesy now. I thought Routh was a great replacement for Reeves boots. But Cavill is the first really physically imposing Superman we have ever had. I feel like he could actually exist in today's world.

The reason I love Snyder, is that he is the first director to actually show our heros like Gods. Marvel has great heros. And the civilians in that universe like them like superheroes, but DCs heros are more. They attract fear, hate, respect, love, worship, and most importantly awe.

I hope WB can find a balance that respects the people that loved Snyder's vision, and the ones that didn't. They have to know that some people will never be pleased because they refuse to accept change. Just stop butchering movies like Suicide Squad and Justice League. It's a lose/lose proposition. They lose fans and money. We lose a reason to continuing to support them.

^ I agree with every word of this post. ^

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by EbonDragon

TDKR didn’t handle Bruce being overwhelmed by grief. It skipped it almost entirely. Bruce doesn’t feature in the storyline until he’s pulled out of his grief by Catwoman. We see him start to overcome it, never outright dealing with it.

He is in a state of grief for the entirety of his stay in the "pit," especially in the scene in which he sees on the news that "his city" has been overtaken by Bane and Bane's army of mercenaries.

[EbonDragon]

Thanks for the write ups! I’ll have to rewatch the film with this perspective in mind. I just didn’t see the “grief” as overwhelming him. He gave in to his grief, he wasn’t really dealing with it or “consumed” by it the way canon Batman would be.

[Jack Priest]

None of the pictures load for me, from that link. Maybe they were taken down by WB?

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Jack Priest

None of the pictures load for me, from that link. Maybe they were taken down by WB?

What link are you talking about?

This one?: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/justi...ctures-a157224

If so, the images are still there. Click on the "View List (One Page)" option.

[Pieter V]

Special Features:

• The return of Superman 01:51
• The heart of Justice League 11:20
• Scene studies: Heroes Park 04:40
• Justice League: New heroes 11:49
• Scene studies: Revisiting the Amazons 03:20
• The road to justice 13:32
• Steppenwolf, the conqueror 02:51
• Suit up: The look of Justice League 09:50
• The technology of Justice League 07:50
• Scene studies: The tunnel battle 03:19
• Scene studies: Wonder Woman's rescue 03:02

Total runtime: 73:24

Sounds boring.

[NegaScott128]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

• The return of Superman 01:51

Wait, so these are the "bonus "scenes"" that are supposed to be on the disc? Because that sure doesn't seem like multiple scenes.

[DarkEco910]

I'm 98% sure that first one entitled "The Return of Superman" is a brief featurette and NOT a deleted scene.

[Uncanny]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Special Features:

• The return of Superman 01:51
• The heart of Justice League 11:20
• Scene studies: Heroes Park 04:40
• Justice League: New heroes 11:49
• Scene studies: Revisiting the Amazons 03:20
• The road to justice 13:32
• Steppenwolf, the conqueror 02:51
• Suit up: The look of Justice League 09:50
• The technology of Justice League 07:50
• Scene studies: The tunnel battle 03:19
• Scene studies: Wonder Woman's rescue 03:02

Total runtime: 73:24

Sounds boring.

Where are all those delete or alternate or extended scenes from the trailers? I am sure most of them were already filmed & finish too. So WB are releasing the movie with no delete footage? WB just fully loaded the disc with special features mostly talking about the characters. I guess the theater trailers for this movie are not on the disc neather. These are crap features hands down.

Steppenwolf the conqueror? People wanted to learn about the character in the movie, not in the special features part on a disc.

[meatball_84]

Originally Posted by Uncanny

Where are all those delete or alternate or extended scenes from the trailers? I am sure most of them were already filmed & finish too. So WB are releasing the movie with no delete footage? WB just fully loaded the disc with special features mostly talking about the characters. I guess the theater trailers for this movie are not on the disc neather. These are crap features hands down.

Steppenwolf the conqueror? People wanted to learn about the character in the movie, not in the special features part on a disc.

My prediction is that we will be getting some sort of extended cut before Aquaman. Not sure if it'll be just extended, Whedon Directors Cut, or Snyder cut. But I would bet something else is coming. Maybe to make up for the fact that we only have one DC movie this year. Maybe to try to smooth things over with the fans that they need for Aquaman to be a success.

[film11]

Originally Posted by EbonDragon

Thanks for the write ups! I’ll have to rewatch the film with this perspective in mind. I just didn’t see the “grief” as overwhelming him. He gave in to his grief, he wasn’t really dealing with it or “consumed” by it the way canon Batman would be.

somehow I can't buy the idea that Bruce Wayne would retire based on his grief over
Rachel. Remember, it was his parents death that caused him to become Batman in the first place. But Rachel gets killed and he hangs it up?

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by film11

somehow I can't buy the idea that Bruce Wayne would retire based on his grief over
Rachel. Remember, it was his parents death that caused him to become Batman in the first place. But Rachel gets killed and he hangs it up?

It's more than that.

At the end of The Dark Knight, Batman took the blame for the death of Harvey Dent on himself.

He gave Gotham the hero it needed, a hero who was a symbol of justice, one who did what had to be done without a mask. He took away the hero Gotham deserved, himself.

So what, why was he retired ?

He was a criminal now, he can not operate in such circumstances for long. He thought that it would be better to leave the city in the hands of police, because city was safer now. Most of the crime lords and currupted officials were either dead or afraid to do much.

It was the best time to make reforms towards being a normal city, rather than being a city saved by a justice obsessed man in bat costume.

You see?

That's why he retired being Batman, but could not get accostumed to Bruce's life ever again. He was Batman at core, the Bruce world knew was just a character.

[DarkEco910]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

My prediction is that we will be getting some sort of extended cut before Aquaman. Not sure if it'll be just extended, Whedon Directors Cut, or Snyder cut. But I would bet something else is coming. Maybe to make up for the fact that we only have one DC movie this year. Maybe to try to smooth things over with the fans that they need for Aquaman to be a success.

God, I hope so...

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by film11

somehow I can't buy the idea that Bruce Wayne would retire based on his grief over
Rachel. Remember, it was his parents death that caused him to become Batman in the first place. But Rachel gets killed and he hangs it up?

I never said he retired because he was grieving over Rachel. I said he's consumed by his grief for Rachel which makes him forget both who he is and what drove him to become Batman in the first place. It's his experience in the pit that reminds him of this and enables him to put the grief for Rachel behind him and, by doing so, find the possibility of a life beyond Batman. At the start of The Dark Knight Rises, Bruce is determined to keep being Batman until it kills him because Rachel's death killed any hope, in his eyes, of a normal life after Batman. As Rachel says in The Dark Knight, "Bruce, don't make me your one hope for a normal life". And that's exactly what he did. Bruce had placed all hopes of a normal life in Rachel, not knowing that she was never going to be that for him. His grief for her consumed him. It was only his time in the pit that enabled him to move beyond her, rediscover who he was and what Batman is supposed to be. To summarise what I said above basically.

[LordoftheRings]

⚡ http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/01/24/j...u-ray-options/

Atmos on the regular Blu-ray? Who knows ...
About on the 3D BD? ...Of course not; it would be like breaking the devil's contract and take side with God.
Dit you notice that in that promo news article the 3D Blu-ray version isn't even there!

We'll have to sync two players, again. Because the studios certainly won't do it for us. What a boring way of doing business; it is most annoying and irritating.

[testmon112]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

It's a shame that we won't see a full character arc for Affleck. I think he was great in BvS. He was angry, tired of losing, and showed 100% conviction in his hunt for Superman. And you cannot say Batman didn't kill in other iterations. Keaton murders about everyone in his movies. While more rare, there are quite a few instances when Bale killed. Even running over cop cars with the tumbler, he didn't care if they died.

Each actor brings something different to Batman, and I love each one separately. I try not to compare.

I wonder if Batman actually has a "No Kill Rule" in this continuity? He seems fine killing those guys at the port, or even with collateral damage and proceeds to kill/brutally injure those thugs at the warehouse. On one hand Snyder references Jason Todd but then why is Leto's Joker still alive in Suicide Squad? The whole canon is shaky.

Same with Superman. I grew up on Reeves, and he is a classic. My childhood hero. But his portrayal wouldnt work in these movies. He is a bit cheesy now. I thought Routh was a great replacement for Reeves boots. But Cavill is the first really physically imposing Superman we have ever had. I feel like he could actually exist in today's world.

Grim & Dark does not indicate depth. Wonder Woman "I believe in Love" was cheesy as hell but it worked for that particular film. I hate this notion that posters here have to shit on past DC films to validate the DCEU.

The reason I love Snyder, is that he is the first director to actually show our heros like Gods. Marvel has great heros. And the civilians in that universe like them like superheroes, but DCs heros are more. They attract fear, hate, respect, love, worship, and most importantly awe.

The great thing about DC it's about families. The Bat family, Flash Family, Superman Family etc. there such a plethora of stories to be told. But look how many are referenced in BvS and are now lost unless there's a hard reboot to a New 52 (The Dark Knight Returns, A Death in The Family, Injustice: Gods Among Us, Flashpoint Paradox, Superman v Doomsday, The Death of Superman/Funeral for a Friend etc).

I hope WB can find a balance that respects the people that loved Snyder's vision, and the ones that didn't. They have to know that some people will never be pleased because they refuse to accept change. Just stop butchering movies like Suicide Squad and Justice League. It's a lose/lose proposition. They lose fans and money. We lose a reason to continuing to support them.

I don't hope, just make good films period. Most of the general audience, and even fans never showed up for Justice League and the numbers show. The damage was done from that second week drop BvS. Note for all how mangled the production was for JL I did not hate the film, it was just disposable.

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by testmon112

I wonder if Batman actually has a "No Kill Rule" in this continuity? He seems fine killing those guys at the port, or even with collateral damage and proceeds to kill/brutally injure those thugs at the warehouse. On one hand Snyder references Jason Todd but then why is Leto's Joker still alive in Suicide Squad? The whole canon is shaky.

disposable.

• Beautiful Cinematography.
• He had such a rule prior to falling to the dark side, so to speak. He disavowed it, however, as a result of seeing so many good guys die, particularly Robin, or become bad guys themselves; recall that he says, 'How many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?' Also recall that he says to Alfred, 'We're criminals, Alfred. We've always been criminals. Nothing's changed,' to which Alfred responds, 'Oh, yes it has, sir. Everything's changed. Men fall from the sky. The gods hurl thunderbolts. Innocents die. That's how it starts, the fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness, that turns good men...cruel.'
• As a side note, I just realized that his quote, 'How many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?,' alludes to a quote made by Christopher Nolan's version of Harvey Dent: 'You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.'

[testmon112]

By dumbing down Bats in BvS he ended up becoming inert in Justice League. When it comes to the large battle sequences at the conclusion, this is when Batman's intellect and strategic planning comes into play, the problem is due to WW success the execs decided to move Diana closer to the leader position so Bats got sidelined to becoming a comedic relief (which was a mistake) undermining his qualities as a leader with Supes in JL.




It is a pity, we're not going to see Affleck and another director have a crack at Batman. Affleck certainly filled the 'physciality' of the role but I wanted to see it most fleshed out. I don't know about Jake but Matt Reeves is a solid director.



FFS, the blinds, lighting shafts, moods and cues already give off a Noir vibe. Dude was just disillusioned with the reception of BvS and Live By Night, Justice League might be the nail in the coffin going by the rumors.