Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Indy64

Might sneak up on you quicker than you think....

Nah.

[Indy64]

We shall see. First CD's..then.....

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Indy64

We shall see. First CD's..then.....

First CD’s what? Have they been removed from Amazon or the countless other online stores?

[Indy64]

Give it time.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Indy64

Give it time.

I have, they were dying 10 years ago according to internet. As was Blu-ray when iTunes got 1080p downloads (that was the funniest headline)

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

If you Disc Lovers don't see the problem with giving things away, don't be surprised when Discs are eliminated. You guys want Discs to continue, but are not willing to pay Market Price. I use to buy Combo Packs, take the Digital and sell the Physical but you guys only want to pay a couple of bucks. I see DVD and Blu-ray selling for under $5 and 4K under $15 and probably $10. So at those prices Discs will not last. What do you guys want to pay for Discs, and the reality will set in so don't be surprised when Discs start disappearing!

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Are you having a laugh? You do realise Digital fans have been scraping around for codes for the last few years? In many cases, completely free?

I know Digital people are always looking for Free Codes, there are tons of Threads devoted to this here on Blu-ray.com. I guess that had a lot to do with Codes coming on Discs, but all this is slowly dying off. Digital is still cheaper than Disc, so we will have to see how that plays out. Most people just want to watch a Movie at a decent resolution. That's why DVD has stuck around for so long, I know people that never bought a Blu-ray Player DVD was good enough. I see people here buy Resent Releases at Market Price, but in general most are looking for the best price. With Streaming Quality going up, price will be the determining factor!

[dublinbluray108]

You may remember that I shared a YouTube video about collecting Physical Media in a Digital World. When I finished watching the video; there was a Youtube comment from the creator named "Cereal at Midnight" that mentioned his story about him buying a Game of Thrones Blu-ray box-set with UV digital copies. He paid $70 for the Complete Blu-ray set from a seller in the states. It seems like pretty good value for what he bought until he discovered later on iTunes that he was given the option to pay double the price (That's $140 btw ) to download all of the episodes from iTunes on top of his Blu-ray set if he wanted it. I don't know what happened with that story afterwards. $140 is a lot of money to throw away for downloading shows that could get deleted off iTunes because of having updates or being taken away from it's stores etc.

What I'm asking here is why would Apple charge extortionate amounts of money to people who want to download complete TV shows on iTunes? Also what are people's experiences here & from people you know about using digital copies when they buy a physical TV show box set from a store? Would you allow yourself to download shows from iTunes regularly? And if you download them; Do you find some useful value to watch them while travelling etc?

[Vilya]

I have redeemed my Disney codes at their rewards site just for the points which I then use to get more discs. Disney Rewards has been pestering me to create a Movies Anywhere account and link it to some "provider", so, for the hell of it, I did.

If I understand it all correctly, I now have 93 films in two places, Movies Anywhere and Google Play. There is one title included that I have never bought at all and why I have it is a mystery to me. Apparently, I can redeem codes at either place; does it matter which one?

I doubt I will ever use my digital collection, but I wanted to see if it would be easy to set it up. It went smoothly from all I can tell, but I have no idea why I "own" Ghostbusters (2016)? I will have to test it someday and see if it works just as easily.

I feel kinda dirty having even done this. I have visited the dark side!

And there were no cookies, there, either. Another lie!

[Zu Nim]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

You may remember that I shared a YouTube video about collecting Physical Media in a Digital World. When I finished watching the video; there was a Youtube comment from the creator named "Cereal at Midnight" that mentioned his story about him buying a Game of Thrones Blu-ray box-set with digital copies. He paid $70 for the Complete Blu-ray set from a seller in the states. It seems like pretty good value for what he bought until he discovered later on iTunes that he was given the option to pay double the price (That's $140 btw ) to download all of the episodes from iTunes on top of his Blu-ray set if he wanted it. I don't know what happened with that story afterwards. $140 is a lot of money to throw away for downloading shows that could get deleted off iTunes because of having updates or being taken away from it's stores etc.

What I'm asking here is why would Apple charge extortionate amounts of money to people who want to download complete TV shows on iTunes? Also what are people's experiences here & from people you know about using digital copies when they buy a physical TV show box set from a store? Would you allow yourself to download shows from iTunes regularly? And if you download them; Do you find some useful value to watch them while travelling etc?

The boxset should have come with digital copies included, no need to pay the retail price. Everyone else should wait for a sale/bundle. I'd never pay $140 especially since I can watch it on HBO GO anytime. (Didn't stop me from picking up digital copies though, in case I stopped being an HBO subscriber.)

It's not Apple charging those prices, it's HBO. The prices are similar at the other providers. And it's possible they won't be for sale in the future but you're not going to lose access to them if you purchased/redeemed them.

I won't pay $20+ for a TV season but I did pay $10 for The Orville after it started because I thought it was worth supporting. I mostly watched it on TV though.

[Zu Nim]

Originally Posted by Vilya

If I understand it all correctly, I now have 93 films in two places, Movies Anywhere and Google Play. There is one title included that I have never bought at all and why I have it is a mystery to me. Apparently, I can redeem codes at either place; does it matter which one?

When you link a provider to Movies Anywhere you get 2 free movies, Ghostbusters and Ice Age. If you link a second provider you get 3 more movies: Jason Bourne, The Lego Movie, and Big Hero 6.

Where you redeem a code can depend on which studio the code is from and what resolution it is. There is a lot of information about this in various threads in this section, such as The is it redeemable through UV, iTunes, or both Thread.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

If I understand it all correctly, I now have 93 films in two places, Movies Anywhere and Google Play. There is one title included that I have never bought at all and why I have it is a mystery to me. Apparently, I can redeem codes at either place; does it matter which one?

I feel kinda dirty having even done this. I have visited the dark side!

And there were no cookies, there, either. Another lie!

Welcome to The Light, iTunes is The Dark Side. Now it's like Quick Sand, you stick your foot in and all of a sudden you're in it to your neck. It's kind of addictive and fascinating, but you won't thoroughly enjoy it till you have the right set up and Bandwidth. Yes, all the UV Movies in your Collection port over to all your Linked Providers. Like Zu said, you can Redeem Codes depending on the Studio and Code Sheet information. Don't worry about cookies, there's plenty of Digital HD Dessert to fill any Sweet Tooth!

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Welcome to The Light, iTunes is The Dark Side. Now it's like Quick Sand, you stick your foot in and all of a sudden you're in it to your neck. It's kind of addictive and fascinating, but you won't thoroughly enjoy it till you have the right set up and Bandwidth. Yes, all the UV Movies in your Collection port over to all your Linked Providers. Like Zu said, you can Redeem Codes depending on the Studio and Code Sheet information. Don't worry about cookies, there's plenty of Digital HD Dessert to fill any Sweet Tooth!

[Steedeel]

Been reading up more on this Disney service and it sounds like if you want adult content you will need to subscribe to Hulu AND Disney. It won’t be too long before you can’t access a studios content until you subscribe to them. No wonder the studios are delighted with subscription. Want Disney? That’s exclusive. Want WB? Same. Brave new world.

Disc forever.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Welcome to The Light, iTunes is The Dark Side. Now it's like Quick Sand, you stick your foot in and all of a sudden you're in it to your neck. It's kind of addictive and fascinating, but you won't thoroughly enjoy it till you have the right set up and Bandwidth. Yes, all the UV Movies in your Collection port over to all your Linked Providers. Like Zu said, you can Redeem Codes depending on the Studio and Code Sheet information. Don't worry about cookies, there's plenty of Digital HD Dessert to fill any Sweet Tooth!

I’m just looking forward to my AR glasses by Apple. I want to generate the Movies Anywhere logo and kick the shit out of it!

[WestMan]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Been reading up more on this Disney service and it sounds like if you want adult content you will need to subscribe to Hulu AND Disney. It won’t be too long before you can’t access a studios content until you subscribe to them. No wonder the studios are delighted with subscription. Want Disney? That’s exclusive. Want WB? Same. Brave new world.

Disc forever.

1. The market cannot fully sustain all of these new streaming services. At some point the bubble will burst and a few of them will fail.

2. Every month or two I pick a new service to get and watch the content on it that I want. The only constant is Netflix because so many people in the household view it on a monthly basis. Cost shouldn't be much of an issue if you are constantly joining and cancelling services each month.

3. The upcoming DC Streaming Service really pisses me off. Time Warner already has HBO. That content should be put on there, not separated onto a second streaming service for the same company.

4. Disney is about to triple dip with Hulu, Disney Streaming, and ESPN streaming. That's even worse.

[dublinbluray108]

Originally Posted by WestMan

1. The market cannot fully sustain all of these new streaming services. At some point the bubble will burst and a few of them will fail.

2. Every month or two I pick a new service to get and watch the content on it that I want. The only constant is Netflix because so many people in the household view it on a monthly basis. Cost shouldn't be much of an issue if you are constantly joining and cancelling services each month.

3. The upcoming DC Streaming Service really pisses me off. Time Warner already has HBO. That content should be put on there, not separated onto a second streaming service for the same company.

4. Disney is about to triple dip with Hulu, Disney Streaming, and ESPN streaming. That's even worse.

You have got this post absolutely right. I do agree in that it is getting worse for the consumer. This separating of streaming services being fragmented in the States is not good for generating enough long term demand to allow them become sustainable. If they hit a certain peak with all of their customers. They will become very hard to convince people paying their hard earned money into multiple subscriptions to have you covered with content for the periods that you are with them.

It happens with certain sports too for paying online subscriptions. You've got examples like Facebook, Amazon Prime, MLB, ESPN, Eurosport Player, WRC+ (World Rally Championship) & F1.com offering sports content online on top of what you already receive with home video services offering Hollywood Film & TV shows. Even in the UK; there has been widespread talk online that the Premier League there should offer an official streaming service to provide English Premier League football matches instead of viewers watching them over expensive TV channels like Sky Sports or BT Sport. It's a good idea in theory because a lot of the fans who couldn't afford tickets to these games watch them instead via pirated streams via modbro and the like.

There has to be a point where people have to put on a hold on what they spend on these services & what they want to enjoy to make them completely happy with what they have. Streaming services by & large do not offer that level of security at all unless you are a hard core physical media fan where that type of hobby can offer a lot of great benefits to you & anyone who is a friend or a family member in their own home.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by WestMan

1. The market cannot fully sustain all of these new streaming services. At some point the bubble will burst and a few of them will fail.

2. Every month or two I pick a new service to get and watch the content on it that I want. The only constant is Netflix because so many people in the household view it on a monthly basis. Cost shouldn't be much of an issue if you are constantly joining and cancelling services each month.

3. The upcoming DC Streaming Service really pisses me off. Time Warner already has HBO. That content should be put on there, not separated onto a second streaming service for the same company.

4. Disney is about to triple dip with Hulu, Disney Streaming, and ESPN streaming. That's even worse.

2. You are presuming contracts won’t be locked down for a year or two in the future.

I agree all the rest. We don’t get Hulu in the U.K but they plan on International expansion so they need to sort that out for Digital fans. If they put Star Wars and Marvel on Hulu it’s going to be fun to watch the protests and anger.

I thinks a service with ads will come if any of these services run into trouble. That or they will have to consolidate. Maybe Apple gets into bed with Disney.

Stuff like Shudder and Filmstruck won’t survive imo.

[rikraq]

Originally Posted by Indy64

Thankfully with streaming, I don't feel as much buyers remorse.

I'm with you there.

I was one who said I would never get into streaming and continued to waste money on discs only to watch once and sell. Now I mainly do streaming or check out from the library and only occasionally buy movies I know I'll keep. I know people claim pq reasons, but streaming looks great to me and I don't have an obsession with super clarity (I see enough pores and facial flaws). Plus, I don't like the clutter of stacks and stacks of discs.

But that's just me. I applaud all of you have massive collections. I did back in the VHS days and said never again.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

2. You are presuming contracts won’t be locked down for a year or two in the future.

I agree all the rest. We don’t get Hulu in the U.K but they plan on International expansion so they need to sort that out for Digital fans. If they put Star Wars and Marvel on Hulu it’s going to be fun to watch the protests and anger.

I thinks a service with ads will come if any of these services run into trouble. That or they will have to consolidate. Maybe Apple gets into bed with Disney.

Stuff like Shudder and Filmstruck won’t survive imo.

How dare you

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

How dare you