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Old 03-08-2018, 07:03 AM   #12121
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Is there an English dub on this version ?
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Old 03-08-2018, 08:32 AM   #12122
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Is there an English dub on this version ?
could you screen shot the back pleases if so,

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It says "DUTCH FLEMISH AND ENGLISH VERSION" on the front cover, that's enough for me. Hopefully I should receive it next week.
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Old 03-08-2018, 09:28 AM   #12123
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Watched the double feature to end all double features today: Blade Runner 2049 and Thor Ragnarok!

Both had great 3D and worth the price of the disc with Blade Runner of course being more gloomy and Thor just terrific comic book fun. If had to, would give the edge to Thor on the 3D but only a thin one.

If one enjoys these types of films, both stand out on their own merits. However, once seeing them in 3D, there is no way one could say that 3D did not make these an altogether higher grade of intoxicating viewing entertainment.

No way my wife and I would have had the mammoth fun we had today watching these two movies if it wasn't for the 3D. Enjoyable time, yes, and still liking both an awful lot, but I would not be describing the day in terms of "gargantuan".

Feel sorry for those who might have liked it but have been shut out of at least the chance to try out the 3D feature in the home. Blame that on the industry, for whatever their reasons were. Still confident 3D will still be hanging around in the home.

More fun than a Sarah Sanders news conference.
Good knowing you agree with me on BR2049 3D

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Old 03-08-2018, 06:28 PM   #12124
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Good knowing you agree with me on BR2049 3D
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Don't know how one could find fault with 2049's 3D quality.
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Old 03-08-2018, 06:53 PM   #12125
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Don't know how one could find fault with 2049's 3D quality.
I completely agree Joe. As I previously stated in the BR 2049 3D thread. I feel that this movie was actually quite underrated with regards to it 3D presentation. The prerequisites by which I critique a 3D movie were all met and then some with this title. Of course one has to take into account the ambience and general setting of the movie as being dark and dreary but even then I feel like the presentation pushes through and excels. What most impressed me was the stunning clarity and detail that the viewing experience provided especially considering the overall darkness of the movie. Truly, I believe that most people who haven’t seen it in 3D will be impressed and those that were underwhelmed the first time they watched it give it another try. They may be delighted by a better viewing experience another time around
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Old 03-08-2018, 08:14 PM   #12126
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I completely agree Joe. As I previously stated in the BR 2049 3D thread. I feel that this movie was actually quite underrated with regards to it 3D presentation. The prerequisites by which I critique a 3D movie were all met and then some with this title. Of course one has to take into account the ambience and general setting of the movie as being dark and dreary but even then I feel like the presentation pushes through and excels. What most impressed me was the stunning clarity and detail that the viewing experience provided especially considering the overall darkness of the movie. Truly, I believe that most people who haven’t seen it in 3D will be impressed and those that were underwhelmed the first time they watched it give it another try. They may be delighted by a better viewing experience another time around
Hi Scotty,

The 3D coming through despite the darkness (or what I called gloominess) is what amazed me most. It demonstrates again that depth and detail can sufficiently come through even in dark scenes. Have seen it done in other films (though can't recall which at the moment).

Our moderator, 13th man, myself and others have talked about the importance of a properly calibrated set. Otherwise, 3D can be distorted in dimension, detail and clarity (including ghosting and shimmering where it need not appear). Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to calibrate a set close enough using a set up disc. But it can't be eyeballed or left to factory settings.

I'm wondering if BR2047 is one of those discs where the settings not being correct can throw the picture off tremendously compared to others because of it's many dark and gloomy scenes. That's just a guess.
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Old 03-08-2018, 09:07 PM   #12127
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Hi Scotty,

The 3D coming through despite the darkness (or what I called gloominess) is what amazed me most. It demonstrates again that depth and detail can sufficiently come through even in dark scenes. Have seen it done in other films (though can't recall which at the moment).

Our moderator, 13th man, myself and others have talked about the importance of a properly calibrated set. Otherwise, 3D can be distorted in dimension, detail and clarity (including ghosting and shimmering where it need not appear). Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to calibrate a set close enough using a set up disc. But it can't be eyeballed or left to factory settings.

I'm wondering if BR2047 is one of those discs where the settings not being correct can throw the picture off tremendously compared to others because of it's many dark and gloomy scenes. That's just a guess.
Do you change color temperature or color saturation at all for 3D?

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Old 03-09-2018, 12:00 AM   #12128
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Do you change color temperature or color saturation at all for 3D?

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No. Keep the settings for blue ray. Do not trust eyeballing. The darbee makes such a difference as you know.
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Just got the Dutch release of The Hole 3D today. Only tested it to see it would play with English audio and no subtitles. No problem.

Few minutes I saw the depth was extremely good and the story had hardly begun.
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Old 03-09-2018, 08:52 AM   #12131
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No. Keep the settings for blue ray. Do not trust eyeballing. The darbee makes such a difference as you know.
Going back and forth from Blade Runner 2049 3D to 4K, I noticed that the glasses have a muting effect on the color saturation. By selecting color gamut WIDE instead of NORMAL saturation in 3D looked much closer to the 4K disc. WIDE color gamut generally would over saturate things but for 3D it looks just right.

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Old 03-09-2018, 12:02 PM   #12132
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It says "DUTCH FLEMISH AND ENGLISH VERSION" on the front cover, that's enough for me. Hopefully I should receive it next week.
I went to order this today on bol.com and they wanted 34 euro to ship to Ireland ?????
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The 3D is astoundingly good. I mean this is basically reference material stuff. That's how good this looks.Hollywood could learn something from the 3D in this.

That being said...on to the film. As someone else said in the other thread, so much of this is guys talking with little use /need of 3D.
If you are somebody (like myself) who needs subtitles to understand what is being said,you should not view the 3D version. Subtitles are not available on the 3D disc. You will have to watch this in 2D on 2D Blu. Whether or not it is used on both the 2D Blu and DVD I don't know yet.

Normally I can watch a movie without subtitles and just follow the general plot and enjoy the movie. If it is a documentary with visuals and voice over work,it can be pleasant. This however, I didn't even watch thru to the end. I don't know how far I got before I turned it off.
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Old 03-09-2018, 03:00 PM   #12134
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I went to order this today on bol.com and they wanted 34 euro to ship to Ireland ?????
I paid 12 euro postage - not cheap, but getting Dutch discs is a pain otherwise.
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Old 03-09-2018, 04:44 PM   #12135
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Going back and forth from Blade Runner 2049 3D to 4K, I noticed that the glasses have a muting effect on the color saturation. By selecting color gamut WIDE instead of NORMAL saturation in 3D looked much closer to the 4K disc. WIDE color gamut generally would over saturate things but for 3D it looks just right.

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Hi Rocky,

This is just conjecture on my part but from what I read, there should be a difference between bluray and 4k to begin with where that might not be the case with 2D to 3D.

How did the color saturation on the 3D in your normal setting compare to the standard bluray? That might be a better way to compare.

When changing to wide, did you notice any difference in the 3D depth or detail? Any glimmering, ghosting or too much color in some areas. Just asking but by changing the color saturation to match the 4k, one might alter other things. Try using your calibration disc and see if there were changes to your bluray settings. Don't forget, 3D is still bluray and should adhere to the proper calibration. I have made eyeball changes only to realize they were artificial.

If this made no change, then voila - the wide setting was the proper one to begin with!
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Old 03-09-2018, 04:51 PM   #12136
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The 3D is astoundingly good. I mean this is basically reference material stuff. That's how good this looks.Hollywood could learn something from the 3D in this.

That being said...on to the film. As someone else said in the other thread, so much of this is guys talking with little use /need of 3D.
If you are somebody (like myself) who needs subtitles to understand what is being said,you should not view the 3D version. Subtitles are not available on the 3D disc. You will have to watch this in 2D on 2D Blu. Whether or not it is used on both the 2D Blu and DVD I don't know yet.

Normally I can watch a movie without subtitles and just follow the general plot and enjoy the movie. If it is a documentary with visuals and voice over work,it can be pleasant. This however, I didn't even watch thru to the end. I don't know how far I got before I turned it off.
Hi hardkore,

So sorry to learn you have a physical problem affecting your hearing but happy this doesn't prevent you from enjoying our shared love of 3D.
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Old 03-09-2018, 04:57 PM   #12137
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Hi Rocky,

This is just conjecture on my part but from what I read, there should be a difference between bluray and 4k to begin with where that might not be the case with 2D to 3D.

How did the color saturation on the 3D in your normal setting compare to the standard bluray? That might be a better way to compare.

When changing to wide, did you notice any difference in the 3D depth or detail? Any glimmering, ghosting or too much color in some areas. Just asking but by changing the color saturation to match the 4k, one might alter other things. Try using your calibration disc and see if there were changes to your bluray settings. Don't forget, 3D is still bluray and should adhere to the proper calibration. I have made eyeball changes only to realize they were artificial.

If this made no change, then voila - the wide setting was the proper one to begin with!
Joe, my observations have nothing to do with 3D depth and detail, but just overall muted colors. I always noticed before how 3D colors always looked somewhat 'dull' while wearing 3D glasses. But now that I have BR2049 in both 4K and 3D I can really tell that skin tones and other stuff just look too pale in 3D, even compared to the standard 2D bluray. When I select WIDE colour gamut on my TV colors look too saturated in standard picture, but in 3D, as soon as I wear the 3D glasses, Wide becomes the'normal', if you know what I mean
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Old 03-09-2018, 07:27 PM   #12138
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Joe, my observations have nothing to do with 3D depth and detail, but just overall muted colors. I always noticed before how 3D colors always looked somewhat 'dull' while wearing 3D glasses. But now that I have BR2049 in both 4K and 3D I can really tell that skin tones and other stuff just look too pale in 3D, even compared to the standard 2D bluray. When I select WIDE colour gamut on my TV colors look too saturated in standard picture, but in 3D, as soon as I wear the 3D glasses, Wide becomes the'normal', if you know what I mean
Hi Rocky,

You just reminded me of something.

Like everyone, I have different color options besides the saturation settings in the advanced options too and do use a low level of advanced flesh tone and color enhancement as well. However, what confused me with your inquiry was that I used these adjustments at the time I did my calibration, not later on like you just did. Recall at the time having to go back and forth with other settings to be sure the color and tint were precisely right. Too much of the advanced option caused the color test pattern not to zero in precisely no matter how much I altered the basic saturation. There was also a slight change on the white level (or something like that) which needed adjustment (this wasn't basic brightness).

But I did not alter anything more for 3D. Did not notice an appreciable difference in Cirque solie worlds apart. Toy Story 1 was a bit darker but the color wasn't affected that much.

BR2049 in 3D might be tough to use as an example with the producers trying to retain it's use of gloomy texture while extending the 3D experience as best as possible. You know the difficulties with darker scenery.

But it all comes down to what one likes and if you like it - STICK WITH IT!

Also, aren't you using a projector? If so, then can see why you might need adjusting that might not be necessary on mine since different technology.

Hey, did you like the movie? I did.
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Old 03-09-2018, 07:35 PM   #12139
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