Samsung shows 2009 tv line up.

[Maximus]

Are you sure they use edge-lit LEDs. I was under the impression that X000 series were backlit LEDs.

I was considering getting a 46" 8000 series, but if they are edge lit I probably won't bother as you can't do local dimming (the biggest advantage that LEDs give).

[Navster]

wow thats so freakin cool, thats a lot to read.... whats the price on these going for?

[Mr. HiDef]

yeah the network capability is pretty cool and pretty soon I think every new tv is going to offer this. Also I think they are going to have a built in webcam and microphone for video conf over the internet

[john_1958]

Originally Posted by NavsterKing

wow thats so freakin cool, thats a lot to read.... whats the price on these going for?

at bestbuy they are 4,100 for 55"
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926HDS0010 120756&catid=26554

not much difference between 6000 series from 7000 but they are improvement compare to previous models

[dobyblue]

I wish they'd elaborate on what they're doing for refresh rates on their plasmas.

The new LCD's are incredibly sexy.

[Xerios]

yeh they are.. im going to buy a samsung 9 series today... maybe i should hold off for these =/

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I wish they'd elaborate on what they're doing for refresh rates on their plasmas.

The new LCD's are incredibly sexy.

I think Samsung see LCD and OLED as the future so they won't be investing much into plasma production and R&D.

There are fewer and fewer plasma buyers out there everyday.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

I think Samsung see LCD and OLED as the future so they won't be investing much into plasma production and R&D.

There are fewer and fewer plasma buyers out there everyday.

An odd statement given that the number of plasma's sold continues to rise quarter over quarter every year.



http://www.displaysearch.com/cps/rde...el_results.asp

July-24-2008
Plasma display panel (PDP) shipment growth was quite strong in Q2’08, increasing 54% Y/Y to 3.5 million units, the third straight quarter of 50% Y/Y growth

http://www.hdtv-news.co.uk/2008/11/0...-sales-growth/

5-Nov-2008
According to research firm, DisplaySearch, cost cutting on high definition Plasma TVs pushed sales up 37% in the third quarter to 4.2 million units.

http://www.displaysearch.com/cps/rde...0YY_Growth.asp

Nov-11-2008
LCD and plasma TV shipments were the strongest, rising 21% and 20% Y/Y respectively

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Which is an odd statement given that the number of plasma's sold continues to rise quarter over quarter every year.

The rise in sales of plasma is well behind the growth in LCD. Now that S-LCD is starting to mass produce G10 glass which gives 4x 70" panels the price of their bigger LCD TVs should come down significantly.

Don't get me wrong, I see nothing inherently wrong with plasma (hell I own one!) but the marketing muscle behind LCD and OLED is too much for Pioneer to handle all by themselves, especially when Panasonic start putting out > 40" LCD screens (which is coming, make no mistake).

Edit: just got the rest of the post! I was speaking in a WW sense, where LCD rules in Europe and Eastern Asia (where space has a much higher premium attached).

[dobyblue]

I get you - I thought you were saying total units moved was going down.

It's going to be a long time before plasma disappears altogether. Panasonic won't introduce a large LCD into the market this year, at least not in NA, and with 5 plasma factories going I expect to see Pioneer and Hitachi's sales increase as they cut costs by getting panels from Panny.

No doubt LCD is doing better WW, but they only just overtook CRT globally last year. Where 50" and up is concerned it is by no means a landslide either way.

[PanasonicPlasmaMan]

wow thats nice

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I get you - I thought you were saying total units moved was going down.

It's going to be a long time before plasma disappears altogether. Panasonic won't introduce a large LCD into the market this year, at least not in NA, and with 5 plasma factories going I expect to see Pioneer and Hitachi's sales increase as they cut costs by getting panels from Panny.

No doubt LCD is doing better WW, but they only just overtook CRT globally last year. Where 50" and up is concerned it is by no means a landslide either way.

I wouldn't be too sure. When Panasonic can only offer a 1024x786 plasma to compete with a Sony 1080p in a similar price range the average consumer will only ever go for the Sony LCD. 1080p > all, and this is a problem as 1080p plasma tech in < 50" is very pricey compared to LCD.

In the larger sizes, plasma is obviously the stronger candidate (for now, when G10 glass starts to permeate, expect 55-70" screens to drop in prce massively), and for the sake of Pioneer, I hope it stays that way, otherwise they will probably go the way of the Dodo, at least their TVs could.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Are you sure they use edge-lit LEDs. I was under the impression that X000 series were backlit LEDs.

I was considering getting a 46" 8000 series, but if they are edge lit I probably won't bother as you can't do local dimming (the biggest advantage that LEDs give).

Yea according to CNET

Like the step-down LN-B7000 series, the LN-B8000 uses a so-called edge-lit LED backlight system, which lets it achieve such a thin cabinet depth. The downside is that it can't use the local dimming technology we liked so much on the A950 series. We've never tested an edge-lit LED display, so we're anxious to check it out in the lab

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-101...ag=mncol;title

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by saprano

Yea according to CNET http://ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-101...ag=mncol;title

Well isn't that a pile of rubbish.

I'll have to wait and see if the 9000 series has got local dimming, I suppose I don't really need a new TV, and I can't afford Sony's exorbitant pricing.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Well isn't that a pile of rubbish.

I'll have to wait and see if the 9000 series has got local dimming, I suppose I don't really need a new TV, and I can't afford Sony's exorbitant pricing.

Maby samsung found a way to achieve the same performance of local dimming with edge lit.

9000 series? is that coming in the fall.

[[1080-p]]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Are you sure they use edge-lit LEDs. I was under the impression that X000 series were backlit LEDs.

I was considering getting a 46" 8000 series, but if they are edge lit I probably won't bother as you can't do local dimming (the biggest advantage that LEDs give).

here is the website http://www.samsung.com/global/experi...1_contents_ces

wonder if its all the same or eyepopping experience

or this http://www.celvision.com/en/product....assId=1&tpId=9