Justice League 4K UHD (2017)

[aetherhole]

I certainly hope that LG pushes out the DoVi fix so we can get to back to the old DoVi-loving Rocky we all knew.

Truth be told, I am still a proponent of Dolby Vision. Black bars be damned, it still shows areas of improvement over the HDR10 counterpart. Once they finally fix the black bar issue I will finally be able to go back to watching DV content as intended.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

I certainly hope that LG pushes out the DoVi fix so we can get to back to the old DoVi-loving Rocky we all knew.

Truth be told, I am still a proponent of Dolby Vision. Black bars be damned, it still shows areas of improvement over the HDR10 counterpart. Once they finally fix the black bar issue I will finally be able to go back to watching DV content as intended.

What's frustrating is when people tell me that it must be my panel that has issues or that I should simply turn brightness down [emoji849]

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[philsfan]

Rocky, for me ignorance was bliss...wasn't aware of the black bar issue until it was raised here. Didnt really notice it when I was watching Netflix DV content but unfortunately now I will be looking for it...sigh

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by philsfan

Rocky, for me ignorance was bliss...wasn't aware of the black bar issue until it was raised here. Didnt really notice it when I was watching Netflix DV content but unfortunately now I will be looking for it...sigh

Please don't.
Once the grey bars have been seen they cannot be unseen.

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[levcore]

Originally Posted by philsfan

Thank you so much for letting us know! I emailed Warner Bros but who knows when or if they will ever get back to me.

Definitely watching the 4k first before the 3d. Disappointing the 3d review here was pretty negative, especially since I had a blast watching Ragnarok in 3d...

It's best to ignore the 3D reviews on this site as they don't have a clue what they are talking about. The 3D in justice League isn't nearly as impressive as Thor: Ragnarok but it's still good and does the job very well.

[evoll]

Watched this last night and thought the PQ looked good in DV but as for the movie i would say i am in the middle with it, not good but not terrible.

[imsounoriginal]

Bought a used copy at lunch, gonna give it a spin tonight. Haven't seen this since the premiere when I saw it WITH the Justice League lol, so I hope it holds up without all that hype.

And now that I bought this, here's a picture of my appropriately inconsistent DCEU collection:

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[pottyaboutpotter1]

Just watched this.

Movie is still meh and has massive problems in it's narrative; in terms of structure, story and character.

But the picture quality is fantastic. HDR is amazing - demo disc quality. Whatever thoughts are on the various directors, writers, producers and executives, it can't be denied that whoever handled this film's HDR grade clearly has a ton of love for what they do.

[imsounoriginal]

Yeah the HDR on this is off the charts, one of the best discs for that. Really nice overall. Enjoyed the movie as well, in spite of its myriad issues.

[HiDefBer]

Cool! My steelbook of JL from France arrived at my house in the good ol' U.S. of A. less than a week after being ordered. I think I got lucky.

And it still saddens me that childish fanboys helped destroy the film's boxoffice. One writer at Bleeding Cool STILL childishly takes any chance he can to malign the movie, months after it's release. It's not THAT bad, guys. Not perfect, but it's not as if Ed Wood directed it.

[morphinapg]

I got the French 4K/3D steelbook today. Love the artwork:




However, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to get the UV code to work. I know sometimes it can be an issue trying to use another region's code, but I didn't have trouble with Wonder Woman, I think that entered in the US Vudu site right away. This one, VUDU won't recognize. So I tried going to the url listed on the sheet, browsing from a french proxy, and the url, warnerbros.fr/UV is pretty useless. First it tells you to go to flixter, which doesn't exist anymore, so flixter tells you to use MoviesAnywhere, yet sends you to a link to Vudu. Neither sites work via the french proxy or without the proxy. The proxy does appear to be working. Websites do think I'm in france, it's just that the suggested website link is broken from what I can tell. I tried googling UV redeem sites, and there were a couple alternative WB redeem sites. One of those recognized that the code should be redeemed in another region, but then when I browse from that region, that site doesn't work. Honestly, looking around, I can't seem to figure out how someone who actually lived in france would be able to redeem this, let alone me in the US.

Does anybody have any suggestions on what I can do?

EDIT: Just figured it out! I think it was cookies or something. I browsed using Internet Explorer instead of Chrome, and the link to flixter actually worked from the proxy that time, where I could redeem, and then connect to my UV account, and it now shows up in my VUDU as UHD! Yay!

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by HiDefBer

And it still saddens me that childish fanboys helped destroy the film's boxoffice

That's not what happened. Fanboys have negligible effect on the box office for movies like this. This is why movies like Justice League, Warcraft and Power Rangers can be box office disappointments despite having strong fanbases.

What did happen? Man of Steel and Batman v Superman massively disappointed general audiences and turned them off seeing any more movies in the DCEU that were directed by Zack Snyder or looked to be in the same mould as those two movies, which may likely extend to movies starring Henry Cavill's Superman and Ben Affleck's Batman (we'll have to see what happens there if more movies starring those two as the characters get made).

Snyder's take on Batman and Superman drove away general audiences. MOS and BVS were not widely considered good films. Audiences then voted with their wallets and chose not to see Justice League, going to see Thor: Ragnarok, Coco and Wonder instead. Many people also chose to wait for reviews and WOM for Justice League and when it got out that the film was not great this led to more people choosing not to see it.

A sub-$100 million OW for WB's biggest release of the year doesn't happen because of childish fanboys. It happens when the general audience has had enough. This is supported by Justice League becoming the lowest grossing DCEU movie worldwide, making LESS than Man of Steel. To put that in perspective, this is the equivalent of Infinity War making less than Ant-Man (the current lowest grossing MCU movie). It's a disappointment, a massive embarrassment for all involved, shows audiences have lost all faith in the DCEU franchise and ensures Justice League (with it's estimated $450 million total costs including marketing) will remain unprofitable for quite some time until later in it's DVD/Blu-Ray release. And that's not good whichever way you slice it, because they're not in this business to make a profit many months down the line.

Just like what happened with Transformers last year, audiences have had enough. Zack Snyder directing a DCEU project is box office poison at this point in time (which ensures the "Snyder Cut" will likely never see a release and that Snyder will probably never handle a film featuring someone else's IP ever again).

Through not seeing Justice League, general audiences vehemently rejected the DCEU in its current form. This was not the work of childish fanboys.

[imsounoriginal]

Chicago gets leveled in Transformers 3 -- no one cares
Manhattan gets leveled in The Avengers -- no one cares
Metropolis (a fictional city) gets leveled in Man of Steel -- "OMG THOSE POOR INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE DYING WTF WE HATE SUPERMAN AND DC!"

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Chicago gets leveled in Transformers 3 -- no one cares
Manhattan gets leveled in The Avengers -- no one cares
Metropolis (a fictional city) gets leveled in Man of Steel -- "OMG THOSE POOR INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE DYING WTF WE HATE SUPERMAN AND DC!"

That's an oversimplification.

Transformers establishes that most people have fled the city after the Decepticons attack. The city is mostly evacuated and anyone that remains is in hiding. The Autobots use hit and run tactics in small teams to keep the fighting at a minimum and then make a charge on the Decepticon base in one part of the city.

The Avengers keep the Chitauri invasion contained to within a few blocks. The Avengers set up a perimeter and Iron Man is tasked with guarding that perimeter. Thor is then tasked with bottlenecking the portal to slow the Chitauri down, while Black Widow and Cap focus most of the fighting in one specific area and Hawkeye keeps an eye on Chitauri movements from above. Hulk is tasked with taking out as many of the Chitauri as possible. The entire battle is contained to a few blocks. The Avengers also take the time to rescue as many civilians as they can. In Age of Ultron, Scarlet Witch uses her mind control abilities to evacuate most of the civilians.

In Man of Steel however, Superman does not attempt to save any civilians during the battle. People in the city are not given fair warning and chance to evacuate, leading to more loss of life. Zod's ship doesn't exactly move fast, so there was time for at least some people to evacuate. During the fight with Zod, Superman makes no effort to move the fight away from the city. He punches Zod into buildings and causes just as much destruction, if not more, than Zod and seemingly doesn't care about the collateral damage. In the fight at Smallville, Superman also shows this attitude.

It's not about the loss of life. It's the hero's attitudes to it. Transformers has the city mostly evacuated while the Autobots and their allies use hit and run tactics. Avengers has the heroes contain the fighting and rescue as many civilians as they can and evacuating as many people as possible from the city before the battle in the sequel. Man of Steel does not have civilians evacuated. The fight is not contained. The hero shows no concern for people caught in the path of the battle.

Even though I do really like Man of Steel, people's concerns about the film's collateral damage and Superman's characterisation are entirely valid.

[gwsat]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

That's not what happened. Fanboys have negligible effect on the box office for movies like this. This is why movies like Justice League, Warcraft and Power Rangers can be box office disappointments despite having strong fanbases.

What did happen? Man of Steel and Batman v Superman massively disappointed general audiences and turned them off seeing any more movies in the DCEU that were directed by Zack Snyder or looked to be in the same mould as those two movies, which may likely extend to movies starring Henry Cavill's Superman and Ben Affleck's Batman (we'll have to see what happens there if more movies starring those two as the characters get made).

Snyder's take on Batman and Superman drove away general audiences. MOS and BVS were not widely considered good films. Audiences then voted with their wallets and chose not to see Justice League, going to see Thor: Ragnarok, Coco and Wonder instead. Many people also chose to wait for reviews and WOM for Justice League and when it got out that the film was not great this led to more people choosing not to see it.

A sub-$100 million OW for WB's biggest release of the year doesn't happen because of childish fanboys. It happens when the general audience has had enough. This is supported by Justice League becoming the lowest grossing DCEU movie worldwide, making LESS than Man of Steel. To put that in perspective, this is the equivalent of Infinity War making less than Ant-Man (the current lowest grossing MCU movie). It's a disappointment, a massive embarrassment for all involved, shows audiences have lost all faith in the DCEU franchise and ensures Justice League (with it's estimated $450 million total costs including marketing) will remain unprofitable for quite some time until later in it's DVD/Blu-Ray release. And that's not good whichever way you slice it, because they're not in this business to make a profit many months down the line.

Just like what happened with Transformers last year, audiences have had enough. Zack Snyder directing a DCEU project is box office poison at this point in time (which ensures the "Snyder Cut" will likely never see a release and that Snyder will probably never handle a film featuring someone else's IP ever again).

Through not seeing Justice League, general audiences vehemently rejected the DCEU in its current form. This was not the work of childish fanboys.

I think the trouble with the latest DC Universe releases is related more to general superhero fatigue than it is with disillusion over Zack Snyder films. At least that has been my situation. Although I didn't bother to see either Batman v. Superman or Justice League in the theater, I bought the UHD HDR versions of both and have been glad I did. Neither film is deathless art, to say the least, but both offered sturdy popular entertainment, at least for me.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by gwsat

I think the trouble with the latest DC Universe releases is related more to general superhero fatigue than it is with disillusion over Zack Snyder films. At least that has been my situation. Although I didn't bother to see either Batman v. Superman or Justice League in the theater, I bought the UHD HDR versions of both and have been glad I did. Neither film is deathless art, to say the least, but both offered sturdy popular entertainment, at least for me.

Superhero fatigue is a myth. The success of Wonder Woman, Deadpool, Logan and every MCU film attests to that.

[RockyIII]

Any of you who may own a 4K upsampling projector has had the chance to play this UHD on 100" screen or larger? How is this when played on a 4K upsampling projector?

[joenostalgia23]

I don’t really understand why people are so critical of Superman during the final battle. Given the context of the scene, it plays out exactly how I’d expect.

First off, this is Superman on his first day on the job. He has no experience fighting and has only just begun testing his powers. He’s a rookie tasked with protecting billions of people against an entire army of aliens with the exact same powers that he has, except they were also bred and trained for combat.

Is a miracle that Superman could defeat Zod at all.

He definitely shows concern for the civilians. In Smallville you see him telling people to lock up their doors, run away, hide. And he does save people, such as the soldier who falls from the exploding helicopter. The moment Superman saves that soldier, he gets sucker punched by a Kryptonian. The truth is, if he took the time to save civilians, he’d either make himself a target (such as in his fight with Faora, where he pauses to assess damage and make sure people are safe, only making it easier for her to beat him up because she has no regard for innocent life) or the Kryptonians would take advantage of him being distracted and kill way more humans.

When he’s fighting Zod, for most of the fight Zod is winning. And I don’t understand this whole thing about Superman destroying buildings. Having watched the film a lot, the majority of it is Zod throwing Superman through buildings, it’s not something Superman can really control. There is a moment when he slams Zoe’s face through some windows, but that is property damage and no people are being harmed. You see a similar move in the Avengers films when Iron Man and Hulk fight, and those are two good guys.

There’s the moment where Superman dodges a gasoline truck and it explodes behind him, but do you expect Superman to just take it? It could knock him out and Zod could just kill him and then commence a slaughter of civilians. He dodges it and then scans the parking garage, likely checking to make sure nobody is near the blast (and because he cares about people’s safety, Zod takes advantage of this by landing some blows while he’s vulnerable)

As for the complaint that Superman doesn’t take the fight somewhere else... he tries. You can see him punching Zod up into the air, trying to move him out of the city, but it’s not like Zod will willingly go with Clark to a safer place. You push him out, he flies back in. When the fight gets brought to space where there’s no people, Zod grabs Superman and takes them both back to the city.

The whole ordeal is a struggle. The Avengers make saving people look easy, because their movies are supposed to be “fun” but the reality is this would be a highly stressful experience and every decision would have be made quickly because a wrong move could spell the end of humanity. The villains in MCU films always have the courtesy to allow heroes to save some people, crack some jokes, do a little dance. Not so easy in Snyder’s DC universe.

It just seems wrong to blame Superman or his “attitude” when he is trying to do the best he can. It’s the rules of his world that make saving it seem so much more dire than in an Avengers film. In his reality, he saved the entire race from extinction, that should be enough, but people need the visual of him saving two people and smiling more than him doing what is necessary to ensure the safety of billions.

Despite all his power, this Superman experiences many limitations. That is the irony that defines MoS and BvS. People prefer the care free Superman who always gets what he wants, but I personally see that as a narcissistic power fantasy. To me, the Superman we are in Superman II is far more selfish than the man we see in Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, but everything works in his favor so he’s seen as a better hero.

[car2nst]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

That's an oversimplification.

Transformers establishes that most people have fled the city after the Decepticons attack. The city is mostly evacuated and anyone that remains is in hiding. The Autobots use hit and run tactics in small teams to keep the fighting at a minimum and then make a charge on the Decepticon base in one part of the city.

The Avengers keep the Chitauri invasion contained to within a few blocks. The Avengers set up a perimeter and Iron Man is tasked with guarding that perimeter. Thor is then tasked with bottlenecking the portal to slow the Chitauri down, while Black Widow and Cap focus most of the fighting in one specific area and Hawkeye keeps an eye on Chitauri movements from above. Hulk is tasked with taking out as many of the Chitauri as possible. The entire battle is contained to a few blocks. The Avengers also take the time to rescue as many civilians as they can. In Age of Ultron, Scarlet Witch uses her mind control abilities to evacuate most of the civilians.

In Man of Steel however, Superman does not attempt to save any civilians during the battle. People in the city are not given fair warning and chance to evacuate, leading to more loss of life. Zod's ship doesn't exactly move fast, so there was time for at least some people to evacuate. During the fight with Zod, Superman makes no effort to move the fight away from the city. He punches Zod into buildings and causes just as much destruction, if not more, than Zod and seemingly doesn't care about the collateral damage. In the fight at Smallville, Superman also shows this attitude.

It's not about the loss of life. It's the hero's attitudes to it. Transformers has the city mostly evacuated while the Autobots and their allies use hit and run tactics. Avengers has the heroes contain the fighting and rescue as many civilians as they can and evacuating as many people as possible from the city before the battle in the sequel. Man of Steel does not have civilians evacuated. The fight is not contained. The hero shows no concern for people caught in the path of the battle.

Even though I do really like Man of Steel, people's concerns about the film's collateral damage and Superman's characterisation are entirely valid.

It amazes me how people say he never saves people or smiles in the movies...when if they actually WATCHED the movies, will notice he DID multiple times. (guess they want a Tony Stark 1-liner out of his mouth every 5 mins )

1.) Chicago was not all evacuated as you don't evacuate an entire city of the size of Chicago in a mere few hours....it just doesn't happen in reality. (hence why all other disaster movies show this as complete panic & chaos during the process) Not to mention you had a group of Autobots WORKING together with a TEAM of Army Soldiers..So comparing a bunch of soldiers with a bunch of superpowered giant Alien Robots to 1 Superman....weak sauce)

2.) Avengers "TRIED" to maintain the battle for a few city blocks AFTER the fact that they had already STARTED to wreaked havoc on NYC (a common misconception) & even with 2 Giant Chitarri Worms (or whatever the proper name of them is) crashing into civilian occupied buildings. during their attack &/or death

3.) I love that weak excuse people use well Hawkeye did this & Cap did this & while Tony did this so Hulk can do this,......ummm yeah...So your comparing Superman to a team of 6 people (2 of which are near Superman Strength) LOL....OH PLEASE... (also note that all of them have been doing what they do for years as well comparing to a less than 24 hour experienced Superman)

4.) I didn't know there was a "fair warning" when it came to an global alien invasion, but if there was ...the people of Metropolis had ample time to evacuate or be on the ready when part of the World Engine hovered above Them as shown in the movie & during Zod's initial greeting/threat..that's on the proper authorities & public to stay on alert & ,to see that the city was evacuated if necessary not Superman, (& not to go back to their daily lives & routines like nothing happened)

5.) Another misconception people & critics have is that they expect Superman to BE Superman of a 25-30 year veteran experience when He JUST LEARNED WHO IE REALLY IS NOT EVEN 24 HOURS AGO....and is doing the best he can...

6.) you stated in a previous post that MOS was not really well received...which is another inaccuracy. It WAS fairly well received. It was NO HUGE epic Blockbuster for the ages, but to say it was generally not well received for making the amount of money it did is just pure wrong.

7.) Superman DID show concern for the people (WATCH THE MOVIE AGAIN) as he did tell people to "Stay inside...it's not safe" line while in Smallville, Saving multiple people (as Shown in the image above), & the family at the end.

8.) Superman's atiitude was just fine. People who expect Superman to be perfect & all powerful & save everyone ALL the time is usually is what makes others HATE Superman as they say he is TOO perfect, OVERPOWERED & does no wrong. It is his (in MOS) inexperience & faults that he learns from & make for a solid start of good characterization.

8.) Hindsight is 20/20...& I challenge you or anyone else (including myself) to be able to make perfect choices & prioritize as a Superhuman when you have an Army of equally powered (& more battle trained) group with not 1 but 2 Alien ships working in tandem on opposite ends of the Earth trying to destroy THE ENTIRE PLANET that you have just learned about & never faced before....



Edit Update: found this & couldn't resist this either:
(which I would have to rewatch, but this might be more actual individuals shown saved than in Richard Donner's Superman: The Movie (1978)

Man of Steel Myths: Superman Saves No One - YouTube

There...I since i just put you in your place & have proved my points I think that is enough said. Good day & goodbye.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

I'm not bashing Man of Steel, as I said I actually really like it, but my point is that the characterisation of Superman left something to be desired for many moviegoers. Audiences obviously didn't find Cavill's Superman heroic or inspiring enough. And I don't think it had anything to do with them expecting a more experienced Superman. Spider-Man: Homecoming featured Spider-Man as a complete rookie but that was still a huge hit. The complaints the average movie goer had with Man of Steel are completely valid. They are even problems that critics picked up on. The film, like all the Snyder DCEU films, didn't click with audiences the way WB wanted it to. I don't think it's because audiences want more comedic superhero movies, but likewise you can't be completely joyless and have an almost oppressively dour tone and still expect the movie to play well with kids and families. To put it simply, the main hero wears a symbol of hope on his chest but yet never actually inspires hope in the audience. Man of Steel is a very hopeless film and that is one of its major failings and possibly why it didn't click with audiences. Personally, you can write as much as you can saying "But he did save people! But he did smile!" and it won't change that Man of Steel was a very hopeless film despite it pushing hope as its main theme. I like the film, but it has a lot of problems and I honestly can't blame audiences for not connecting with it. The same applies for Batman v Superman.

Man of Steel was expected to be a massive hit. It fell way below WB's expectations which is why we got Batman v Superman instead of Man of Steel 2; WB thought throwing Batman into the mix and rushing a shared universe would lead to a bigger box office and better profits. While no one lost money on Man of Steel, they didn't make as much as they wanted. And the same goes on Batman v Superman. And then they lost money on Justice League. Two films in a row with very dour tones that don't give audiences anything to aspire to, don't inspire any hope and make the two lead heroes pretty unlikeable. Is it any question why Justice League bombed? This is why Wonder Woman did well, because tonally it was right. Wonder Woman was a likeable character who inspired hope in the audience and left people with a smile on their face. Not leaving them conflicted and unsure if they should even be rooting for the hero.

I hate to be blunt, but the general audience had very valid complaints with Man of Steel and BVS. You can write as many long posts as you want defending the creative decisions in these films, but at the end of the day the films did not click with audiences and it's not hard to see why. A Superman film devoid of hope is a very tough sell and it's something I still don't think audiences are quite ready for and if they are, it's not something they want. Is it any surprise the Man of Steel trailers tried their damnedest to make the film look more uplifting and hopeful than it actually was?