Justice League 4K UHD (2017)

[RonAlam]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

They just happened to be the last two superhero movies I watched back to back.
Having established that....
Justice League was off the hook!

Justice League rocked!

lol...

[Lord Method Man]

How's the Snyder Cut coming along? I notice we stopped getting our hourly updates in this thread a couple weeks ago.

[AdubW1982]

Originally Posted by Lord Method Man

How's the Snyder Cut coming along? I notice we stopped getting our hourly updates in this thread a couple weeks ago.

Zack Synder and Ray Fisher both tweeted out a deleted scene and captioned it, believe. Hopefully a Synder cut is on the way.

[morphinapg]

Originally Posted by Lord Method Man

How's the Snyder Cut coming along? I notice we stopped getting our hourly updates in this thread a couple weeks ago.

Snyder Cut is almost certainly not possible. It would require dozens of millions of dollars of additional CGI, and probably reshoots of his own. No way WB ever funds that.

[imsounoriginal]

[pottyaboutpotter1]

There’s no way it’s getting finished. As it stands, Justice League is a big financial loss for WB. They’re not sinking more money into it.

[morphinapg]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

There’s no way it’s getting finished. As it stands, Justice League is a big financial loss for WB. They’re not sinking more money into it.

I wouldn't call it a "big financial loss". It got very close to breaking even most likely, and will likely profit from home sales, but you're correct on your second statement.

[AdubW1982]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

There’s no way it’s getting finished. As it stands, Justice League is a big financial loss for WB. They’re not sinking more money into it.

You don't know that a Synder cut won't be released. I'm sure it made its money back with the box office, home video, streams, toys, etc.

[Geoff D]

If it sells well enough on home video then Warners will absolutely look at putting another version together.

[imsounoriginal]

When a movie loses the studio $60M, they're not sinking more money into it. There's no way they cover that loss AND additional expenditure to finish the Snyder Cut with home media sales or even a limited theatrical run. Just not happening.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

When a movie loses the studio $60M, they're not sinking more money into it. There's no way they cover that loss AND additional expenditure to finish the Snyder Cut with home media sales or even a limited theatrical run. Just not happening.

Alexander was a gigantic flop for Warners. Abso-****in'-lutely gigantic. Some put the loss at $71M (in 2004 dollars). And yet Warners let Stone recut the film into a 'Director's Cut' first of all for the DVD, then the 'Final Cut' for the initial HD home video release in 2007. They then let him do another version, the 'Ultimate Cut' - the fourth in total - for the 10th anniversary release four years ago. Snyder's own Watchmen is another example, not as huge of a flop as Alexander but it hardly set the box office alight, particularly outside the US. And yet Snyder got to do a director's cut for the home video release, with the Ultimate Cut following a few years after. If it sells on home video then Warners will continue to exploit it no matter what it lost them first time around.

Do I think the Snyder Cut of JL exists in a finished state? No. Do I think it'll be released any time soon? No. Do I think it's got a decent chance of surfacing in the future should JL sell well enough on video? You betcha.

[imsounoriginal]

Not to mention they seemed fine with giving Watchmen a couple of different cuts. But the material was all finished in that case, just needed to be plugged back in. I think with Alexander, Stone and his two little gold men have more sway than the director of divisive, financially disappointing superhero flicks (Disclaimer: I like the DCEU movies).

I dunno. You take the general deer-in-the-headlights DCEU situation, combined with an apparently acrimonious split between WB and Snyder, and reports indicating that the Snyder Cut is nowhere near being releasable... best-case scenario, we get it as a Donner Cut WAY down the road, when the money JL lost is no longer as fresh a wound. But I'm not holding my breath. And frankly I'm not convinced that a Snyder Cut would be a significant improvement over what we got. Expecting more of a Spidey 3 Editor's Cut.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by AdubW1982

You don't know that a Synder cut won't be released. I'm sure it made its money back with the box office, home video, streams, toys, etc.

The film's total costs were $450 million. That we know of. A $300 million production budget and a $150 million marketing spend. The film's $657 million box office nowhere near covers that when you factor in that WB only gets 50% of the domestic box office and around 25-40% of the international box office (it varies from country to country). We know WB lost about $60 million on Justice League which, while not disastrous, was still a massive loss and does not look good on financial reports and will not look good at the end of WB's fiscal year.

It was a decrease of 24.69% from Batman v Superman. So, roughly, Justice League lost around 25% of the audience from that film. It's nowhere near as massive as the 45.16% decrease from Transformers: Age of Extinction to Transformers: The Last Knight (probably why the idea of a reboot is being tossed around for that franchise) but it's enough to spark concern. Justice League lost around a quarter of the audience from Batman v Superman (which Justice League was a sequel to). It's enough to cause significant concern. Is Aquaman going to lose another 25% of the audience? Is the DCEU going to become a series of decreasing returns outside of Wonder Woman sequels? But even then, pushing Wonder Woman in Justice League proved her presence can't save a film. For comparison's sake, Thor: Ragnarok saw a 32.49% increase from Thor: The Dark World (which is probably why there's talks of a fourth Thor film being a strong possibility).

Justice League may make back that $60 million loss at the box office on home video eventually, but it's too late for WB's fiscal year (which ended on December 31st). In the end, it's all about the fiscal year for every studio. Disney's fiscal year ends in September, which is why Solo is releasing in May so Disney will have a massive fiscal year for 2018 with 2 Star Wars films (Last Jedi and Solo) and 4 Marvel films (Thor, Black Panther, Avengers and Ant-Man). This is probably one of the reasons why WB did not push back Justice League, expecting it to be a massive hit and give them a great end to what would have been a fantastic fiscal year for 2017 with the success of Kong: Skull Island, Wonder Woman, Annabelle: Creation and IT.

Franchise films like this are usually expected to do better business than their predecessors, especially if they're sequels/crossovers which Justice League was both. Justice League making less than not just Batman v Superman but every other DCEU film and suffering a $60 million loss is more than enough for WB to not spend any money finishing a Snyder cut, no matter how much fans complain online. It was probably also enough to shelve Justice League 2 and other DCEU projects (Ray Fisher for example has taken other acting jobs that will leave him unavailable for the DCEU, which probably means there are no plans for any films to feature Cyborg at least).

People expecting a Snyder cut within the next decade really need to look at the numbers and temper their expectations.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Not to mention they seemed fine with giving Watchmen a couple of different cuts. But the material was all finished in that case, just needed to be plugged back in. I think with Alexander, Stone and his two little gold men have more sway than the director of divisive, financially disappointing superhero flicks (Disclaimer: I like the DCEU movies).

I dunno. You take the general deer-in-the-headlights DCEU situation, combined with an apparently acrimonious split between WB and Snyder, and reports indicating that the Snyder Cut is nowhere near being releasable... best-case scenario, we get it as a Donner Cut WAY down the road, when the money JL lost is no longer as fresh a wound. But I'm not holding my breath. And frankly I'm not convinced that a Snyder Cut would be a significant improvement over what we got. Expecting more of a Spidey 3 Editor's Cut.

I mentioned Watchmen And yes, I realised that much of the material for those films merely needed to be 'plugged in' when posting that, as well as them wanting to keep a filmmaker like Stone on-side (much like they're doing with Nolan, letting him indulge his "unrestored" fetish with 2001) but even so: if x sells like gangbusters on video then Warners, more than most other studios, are keen to exploit it. If Snyder remains on good terms with the studio, maybe even has his own turnaround in cinematic fortune in years to come, then it's got as good a chance as any.

I'm not convinced that it'll be turned into a "masterpiece" either as the intent was always to deliver something a bit lighter than MoS and BvS, the three movies representing birth, death and rebirth, but it's the proper linking of this final movie in the 'trilogy' to the other two which I would dearly love to see. Get rid of Elfman's awful music - the only times it remotely caught my attention were the reprises of Hans Zimmer's Wonder Woman and Superman themes - and give us a bit more meat on the bones of Aquaman and Cyborg while either restoring Cavill's original scenes OR redoing that atrocious CG lip and I'd lap that shit up like buttermilk.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Alexander was a gigantic flop for Warners. Abso-****in'-lutely gigantic. Some put the loss at $71M (in 2004 dollars). And yet Warners let Stone recut the film into a 'Director's Cut' first of all for the DVD, then the 'Final Cut' for the initial HD home video release in 2007. They then let him do another version, the 'Ultimate Cut' - the fourth in total - for the 10th anniversary release four years ago. Snyder's own Watchmen is another example, not as huge of a flop as Alexander but it hardly set the box office alight, particularly outside the US. And yet Snyder got to do a director's cut for the home video release, with the Ultimate Cut following a few years after. If it sells on home video then Warners will continue to exploit it no matter what it lost them first time around.

Do I think the Snyder Cut of JL exists in a finished state? No. Do I think it'll be released any time soon? No. Do I think it's got a decent chance of surfacing in the future should JL sell well enough on video? You betcha.

What are in your opinion the most colossal productions in history to end up flopping tragically?

Justice League rocked!

[Anthos]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

What are in your opinion the most colossal productions in history to end up flopping tragically?

Justice League rocked!

Waterworld.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Anthos

Waterworld.

That other movie with Russell Crowe about Noah's Arc also comes to mind [emoji16]

Justice League rocked!

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

What are in your opinion the most colossal productions in history to end up flopping tragically?

Justice League rocked!

The Lone Ranger ($100-200 million loss), Alice Through The Looking Glass ($70 million plus loss), Blade Runner 2049 ($80 million loss), Gods of Egypt ($81-92 million loss), The Huntsman: Winter's War ($76 million loss), Jack The Giant Slayer ($90-110 million loss), King Arthur: Legend of the Sword ($115-150 million loss), Jupiter Ascending ($90-124 million loss), Mars Needs Moms ($109-157 million loss), The Mummy 2017 ($95 million loss), Power Rangers 2017 ($76 million loss), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows ($75 million loss) and Valerian ($84 million) are some of the more recent biggest box office bombs in history.

[ROSS.T.G.]

King Arthur was a massive flop.

[imsounoriginal]

Anyone remember this POS?