Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

But please do go on about the extensive content that Sony Ultra has to offer.

Don't you worry; he will.

He has been reliably consistent in two ways: being wrong and being wrong repeatedly.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Is this the movie that you are seeking? It is being released on May 29th.

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=23166

Yep, that’s it. I’m U.K. don’t forget.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by veritas

The problem isn't all the time all that content would take to watch but the fact that they are putting money into originals over adding stuff to the catalog. http://fortune.com/2016/03/25/netfli...gue-shrinking/. I personally would prefer if they put like 4 or 5 billion of that into maintaining a large catalog and make more high quality originals rather then some of the weird stuff they spam out.

When they make original content in general the subscriber loses in the short term because that one original show probably cost like 10 classic shows streaming rights. When I see those numbers all I really see is a Netflix catalog that's 6300 good shows less (over the course of like 10 years) then it could have been.

Thats my view on original content at the cost of catalog entertainment anyway.

The problem Netflix has is that licensed content is by far the most popular I understand. They really have to have more smash hits and be more consistent imo.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Don't you worry; he will.

He has been reliably consistent in two ways: being wrong and being wrong repeatedly.

And when he is backed into a logical corner like he is now with this current argument, he will just stop posting for a page or two, hope everyone mysteriously forgets about the previous conversation, and he will start posting the same crap again as if his arguments were never defeated in the first place.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

And when he is backed into a logical corner like he is now with this current argument, he will just stop posting for a page or two, hope everyone mysteriously forgets about the previous conversation, and he will start posting the same crap again as if his arguments were never defeated in the first place.

He must be black and blue from tripping over himself constantly.

He has been telling us for months how digital downloads and streaming are the pinnacle of home video entertainment, used by everyone because it is just oh so great, and then last night he dismisses two of the biggest providers of such content, Netflix and iTunes, as being too "limiting." It is beyond comical to see such a digital fanboy now attack two of the biggest digital providers in a failed effort to look more enlightened than all of the other digital fanboys.

He fails to mention his preferred provider, Sony Ultra, because it can not compare to the services he just dissed. At one point last year, Sony Ultra had a mere 88 titles to offer according to comments on the AVS forums and all at a higher price. A selection that vast seems pretty "limiting" to me.

Apple 4K TV and iTunes 4K have already been proven to have better streaming quality than his beloved Sony Ultra and they have an infinitely better selection. Netflix has equivalent quality to Sony Ultra and it also has a far better selection. And both Apple and Netflix services cost less.

He spouts so much spontaneously generated nonsense that he inevitably contradicts himself. When he finds himself in such a self made dilemma he just disappears for a bit and then reappears later like a Dodo-esque Phoenix rising from the ashes of his own folly- only to set himself on fire anew in another recycled rant that has already been debunked many times over.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yep, that’s it. I’m U.K. don’t forget.

I import from the U.K. regularly; would it hurt you to import from the U.S. a little?

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Vilya

He must be black and blue from tripping over himself constantly.

He has been telling us for months how digital downloads and streaming are the pinnacle of home video entertainment, used by everyone because it is just oh so great, and then last night he dismisses two of the biggest providers of such content, Netflix and iTunes, as being too "limiting." It is beyond comical to see such a digital fanboy now attack two of the biggest digital providers in a failed effort to look more enlightened than all of the other digital fanboys.

He fails to mention his preferred provider, Sony Ultra, because it can not compare to the services he just dissed. At one point last year, Sony Ultra had a mere 88 titles to offer according to comments on the AVS forums and all at a higher price. A selection that vast seems pretty "limiting" to me.

Apple 4K TV and iTunes 4K have already been proven to have better streaming quality than his beloved Sony Ultra and they have an infinitely better selection. Netflix has equivalent quality to Sony Ultra and it also has a far better selection. And both Apple and Netflix services cost less.

He spouts so much spontaneously generated nonsense that he inevitably contradicts himself. When he finds himself in such a self made dilemma he just disappears for a bit and then reappears later like a Dodo-esque Phoenix rising from the ashes of his own folly- only to set himself on fire anew in another recycled rant that has already been debunked many times over.

My goal for the foreseeable future is to use the phrase “Reappears like a Dodo-esque Phoenix rising from the ashes of his own folly” in a conversation. That is pure gold.

[Steedeel]

A concern for me with all these streaming services is if we are forced to use built in smart tv apps if streaming devices sales fall and the industry try to push built in apps. I hear they are not updated as often as they should be and the performance is a bit rubbish apparently. That would be a HUGE concern if mine if I was moving to streaming full time. Especially considering you would have to upgrade your tv lest you end up with useless apps.
It may be a ploy to get people to upgrade their tv every couple of years.

[Vilya]

I never plan to move to streaming full time. The update needs of streaming apps on my TV, or on any device, concern me not at all.

The only updates that concern me are firmware updates for my home theater hardware.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I never plan to move to streaming full time. The update needs of streaming apps on my TV, or on any device, concern me not at all.

The only updates that concern me are firmware updates for my home theater hardware.

Exactly the same with me, I’m just interested in how that would develop. The processors in th3 smart vs are normally Underpowered compared to other smart devices like phones and tablets, is that accurate?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Exactly the same with me, I’m just interested in how that would develop. The processors in th3 smart vs are normally Underpowered compared to other smart devices like phones and tablets, is that accurate?

I have heard that dedicated streaming devices like the Roku and others do a better job at keeping their myriad of apps updated. But, on the other hand, I have not heard many complaints from those who use the apps on their TVs, either. Perhaps the major apps are more likely to be updated across all devices than the lesser known ones?

As I barely dabble my tootsies in the digital stream, I am not worried about the update frequency of such apps across devices. It is just one more thing that disc proponents are not dependent upon.

Oh btw, it looks like Best Buy has an exclusive on the 4K release of that movie you want: Annihilation. Another import opportunity for you!

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=303688

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It is a good movie. Very tense.

The Netflix exclusive thing is crap. I don’t want to wait two years to buy my films.

Where are you getting this 2 year timeframe from?

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

It may become more niche over time, but I don't see it entirely going away.

It's niche NOW. People at work and that I know look at me like an alien because I still buy discs.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

A concern for me with all these streaming services is if we are forced to use built in smart tv apps if streaming devices sales fall and the industry try to push built in apps. I hear they are not updated as often as they should be and the performance is a bit rubbish apparently. That would be a HUGE concern if mine if I was moving to streaming full time. Especially considering you would have to upgrade your tv lest you end up with useless apps.
It may be a ploy to get people to upgrade their tv every couple of years.

Streaming devices are doing just fine, unless you are an Apple fanboy.

https://www.fastcompany.com/40552023...ming-box-sales

433.1 million smart home devices were shipped worldwide in 2017, growing 27.6% from the previous year,

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by flyry

It's niche NOW. People at work and that I know look at me like an alien because I still buy discs.

Did you ever stop to consider that maybe your co-workers are right and that you are, in fact, an alien?

Albeit an alien with great taste!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

Where are you getting this 2 year timeframe from?


It's niche NOW. People at work and that I know look at me like an alien because I still buy discs.



Streaming devices are doing just fine, unless you are an Apple fanboy.

https://www.fastcompany.com/40552023...ming-box-sales

433.1 million smart home devices were shipped worldwide in 2017, growing 27.6% from the previous year,

Just going by Hush. That film was released on Netflix 8th April 2016. I should have said at least 2 years.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

Where are you getting this 2 year timeframe from?


It's niche NOW. People at work and that I know look at me like an alien because I still buy discs.



Streaming devices are doing just fine, unless you are an Apple fanboy.

https://www.fastcompany.com/40552023...ming-box-sales

433.1 million smart home devices were shipped worldwide in 2017, growing 27.6% from the previous year,

Streaming devices may be doing fine, that’s not the question I asked.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Did you ever stop to consider that maybe your co-workers are right and that you are, in fact, an alien?

Albeit an alien with great taste!

Great taste and Likes Digital? That’s far fetched!

[The_Donster]

Listen, I'm all for calling out alchav21 on his outlandish claims, but be fair and do the same to others when they report second hand news too gang. If you have no personal experience with something at least be honest about it. Oh, and trust me. There seems to be a bit of mic dropping and hoping everyone has amnesia when they decide to come back on both sides.

Problem is, none of us have short or long term memory loss Speaking of which, I've heard that Roku are an excellent streaming device, but I've never used them. I use the smart apps on my KS8000 in my room. My family uses either the Sony BD player or DVR to stream things in the other parts of the house. With the exception of HULU on the BD players, I've never had any real issues with streaming, but I also live in Microsoft territory. So Xfinity delivers great internet, but crappy cable. Which is why I stream when I'm not watching a BD or the occasional DVD in my room.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Great taste and Likes Digital? That’s far fetched!

Well, he does buy some content on disc, so he has some taste, and when he chooses disc he is showing great taste. I'm trying to be generous here.

If he is an alien, as suspected by his colleagues, and they draw this conclusion because he buys discs, he should take this as a compliment.

If aliens buy their movies on disc, it is only more proof of that superior intellect that enabled them to master interstellar space travel.

Now as for physical media being a niche market that label does not bother me at all. It can even be a Nietzsche market, so long as the availability of movies on disc remains robust. And it has and it will continue to do so.

Looking only at those who purchase content, not those who primarily gorge themselves at the all-you-can eat streaming trough of digital mediocrity, consider that in 2017 disc purchases made up 22.9% of the entire home entertainment spending market (excluding video games). If 22.9% of a market is a niche, what does that make digital sell-thru, i.e.: download purchases, when it only had a 10.48% market share? Digital sell thru must be a Nietzsche of a niche market if there ever was one.

His co-workers are likely among those who purchase nothing, settling for whatever streaming subscription services spoon feed them. All they care about is a bargain and a heaping plate of whatever they're served. So long as they get a lot for a little, they are delighted.

I know an 80+ year-old grandma and grandpa who own a brand new Samsung 65" 4K TV. They buy the latest movies on blu-ray disc. They also have iPhones and iPads connected to their home wi-fi network. Yet, they stream nothing. They buy blu-rays; I would not be at all surprised if they buy a 4K disc player next.

As I have observed this first hand (I helped set-up their TV and blu-ray player) and as two people constitute a significant sample size (just like those co-workers cited earlier) I can now extrapolate their behavior to be typical of all octogenarians.

Aren't anecdotes grand? There is just no known antidote for them.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Well, he does buy some content on disc, so he has some taste, and when he chooses disc he is showing great taste. I'm trying to be generous here.

If he is an alien, as suspected by his colleagues, and they draw this conclusion because he buys discs, he should take this as a compliment.

If aliens buy their movies on disc, it is only more proof of that superior intellect that enabled them to master interstellar space travel.

Now as for physical media being a niche market that label does not bother me at all. It can even be a Nietzsche market, so long as the availability of movies on disc remains robust. And it has and it will continue to do so.

Looking only at those who purchase content, not those who primarily gorge themselves at the all-you-can eat streaming trough of digital mediocrity, consider that in 2017 disc purchases made up 22.9% of the entire home entertainment spending market (excluding video games). If 22.9% of a market is a niche, what does that make digital sell-thru, i.e.: download purchases, when it only had a 10.48% market share? Digital sell thru must be a Nietzsche of a niche market if there ever was one.

His co-workers are likely among those who purchase nothing, settling for whatever streaming subscription services spoon feed them. All they care about is a bargain and a heaping plate of whatever their served. So long as they get a lot for a little, they are delighted.

I know an 80+ year-old grandma and grandpa who own a brand new Samsung 65" 4K TV. They buy the latest movies on blu-ray disc. They also have iPhones and iPads connected to her home wi-fi network. Yet, they stream nothing. They buy blu-rays; I would not be at all surprised if they buy a 4K disc player next.

As I have observed this first hand (I helped set-up their TV and blu-ray player) and as two people constitute a significant sample size (just those co-workers cited earlier) I can now extrapolate their behavior to be typical of all octogenarians.

Aren't anecdotes grand? There is just no known antidote for them.

The thing is, everyone I know doesn’t even buy Digital HD. Not one! They use Netflix, BBC IPLAYER, Sky tv and buy DVD mostly with several buying Blu-rays. One of those people (good friend) buys 4K discs.

Disc is no niche. That is a silly comment isn’t it?

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Why, I don't use Netflix I don't like to follow the crowds. That's why I don't use iTunes either. I did use them many years ago when I lived in San Jose and rented Discs from them. It's common knowledge to people that use the service, I just never really thought about it. You guys like to limit yourselves to Ecosystems like Apple and Netflix, when there's a whole big world out there.

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

So your main reason for not using those particular services is because they are among the most popular? What the f--- kind of logic is that?

Heck, that contradicts your ENTIRE argument. Your whole thing has been how digital distribution is the future, it's what most people are shifting to, etc. You've been giving people who collect discs a lot of crap for not "following the crowds."

Considering that you know so little about the services that you don't use (like Netflix), to the point that Netflix strictly being a subscription service was somehow "news" to you, how are you really in any position to judge how "limited" the content is? I admit that their movie selection can be rather sparse and hit or miss at times.... I certainly wouldn't want to be limited to ONLY Netflix, but I'm not. And their original programming and the good movies that they do get makes it worth having in addition to my other content viewing methods. I have cable TV with HBO and Starz, and a plethora of on demand content in addition to what's otherwise on the air, I have Netflix and Hulu, and I have my disc collection. I don't feel like I'm very limited at all.

But please do go on about the extensive content that Sony Ultra has to offer.

Originally Posted by Vilya

Don't you worry; he will.

He has been reliably consistent in two ways: being wrong and being wrong repeatedly.

Hey guys don't get your feathers all a mess.....Chill! I guess this is what I was missing, this banter. Just because I don't like to be a follower, and more on the trending side doesn't mean I look at different aspects. I did look at Netflix, but to me Amazon was better. I won't drop Amazon if everyone jumps on their wagon. I was just saying that everyone has their priorities, needs, and justifications. I just don't like to pick something just because everyone else is doing it.