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Old 05-11-2018, 08:19 PM   #1
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Post The Crow (1994): A Retrospective

Back in the day there weren't really very many comicbook movies, they existed but most were pretty poor or wasted opportunities. Richard Donner turned things around somewhat with his now iconic Superman movie in 1978; but it wasn't really until the late 80's that Tim Burton's surprisingly decent Batman movie literally changed the game for the genre. But despite that things still took time to actually change in a positive way. There were a few movies that weren't too bad and looked good (in some cases very good), but failed to really light up the box office or gain much interest after their release eg. Dick Tracy (1990), Darkman (1990) and The Rocketeer (1991).

But putting basic comicbook movies aside, apart from Tim Burton's vision for Batman in 1989 there was literally no such thing as a gothic comicbook movie, it was virtually a new untapped genre. Tim Burton had certainly given cinema audiences a strong dose of gothic grandeur but no one had really seen a dark, gritty, violent, adult action movie in that visual style, yet.

Then along came James O'Barr and his dark personal opus. In 1978 O'Barr's fiancée was killed by a drunk driver (two weeks before her 18th birthday) which left him virtually destroyed inside. A talented artist O'Barr began working on a personal creation in a way to cope with his loss. With the combination of his own grief and a local murder case in Detroit, The Crow was born. The tale of young couple Eric and Shelley who are both murdered on their wedding night (Devils Night, the night before Halloween) by a vicious gang. One year later Eric is brought back from the grave by a mysterious supernatural crow, at the same time giving him powers of strength and invulnerability. Eric is seemingly granted the chance to exact revenge upon his killers so that both he and his fiancées soul can finally rest in peace.

So lets look at the various differences between the Comic and the movie. Now whilst the movie was generally well directed and included almost everything from the original source material, there are many differences. But I must stress that whilst these differences are typically very Hollywood, they aren't necessarily bad. As a large plot alteration was basically somewhat required for the movie, this meant major changes to almost all the characters. This included most of the villains, some goodies, and the removal of some characters along with the inclusion of new ones.

Firstly in the comic the entire murder of both Eric (no last name of Draven in the comic) and Shelley is nothing more than a random attack by the drug crazed gang. There is no purpose behind it and thusly Eric's story is pure and simple revenge, no other factors. In the comic there is also no head honcho running the show, its just a bunch of thugs. For the movie they had to add more romance and a narrative in the form of both Eric and Shelley fighting unlawful tenant eviction from their apartment (owned by Top Dollar) which leads to the fatal attack; and of course they had to add a big boss villain for Eric to showdown with. Of course its still not really that good because essentially...what does Top Dollar want to achieve? He just wants to see the city burn? And then??

Devils Night: The night before Halloween which the movie centres around and is often mentioned. In the comic Devils Night is not mentioned.

Eric: In the comic Eric is clearly based more on the classic rocker look of the 80's, but fitter and more toned. He has a very stereotypical 80's rock hairstyle matched with a slightly anime look to the face. At times he also looks like a young jacked-up Rod Stewart. In the movie Eric Draven (Brandon Lee) has a very early 90's MTV music video vibe about him, mainly because it was the early 90's and that long black leather trench coat trend was started by this very movie. Its also interesting to note that in the comic there is no mention of Eric being a musician, playing the guitar. That seems to be another Hollywoodism to boost his ice cool sexual appeal.

Tin-Tin: Visually he looks about the same in both the comic and the movie (an African American male). He is still the first to be killed by Eric in both the comic and movie, but by gunshot to the head I believe. In the movie they also gave him some more personality with the addition of being a knife wielding expert (played with aplomb by Laurence Mason).

Top Dollar: In the comic this guy is just a regular gang member, a regular drug pusher. Again visually he looks about the same (a white male) apart from a beard in the comic. He is the second gang member to be killed by Eric in the comic, again via gunshot to the head. For the movie Top Dollar (Michael Wincott) has been promoted to the main crime boss and controls everything, including ordering the hit on Eric and Shelley's apartment. He's a white westerner with an obvious appreciation for Japanese culture judging by his samurai-esque hair and choice of weaponry. He is also a very clean cut dapper looking villain dressing in period styled attire complete with old fashioned officer boots.

Tom Tom/Skank: Tom Tom does not appear in the movie, instead this character seems to have been combined with Skank. Where as in the comic Skank is not a part of T-Bird's crew, Tom Tom is. Skank is killed early on in the comic, after Tin-Tin and Top Dollar via decapitation. In the comic Skank looks very different to his movie counterpart, same gender and race but just very different. The movie version of Skank (Angel David) is basically a cowardly character. All mouth but weaker than the rest, possibly abused by the rest, used as bait by Top Dollar, and eventually tossed out of a window by Eric.

Gideon: Again visually this character is similar in both comic and movie. Both are middle aged, tubby with facial hair. Only main difference is in the movie Gideon is bald (played by Jon Polito). This characters fate differs once again as in the comic Eric guns him down, where as Top Dollar executes him in the movie.

Funboy: This character looks very similar when comparing the movie version (Michael Massee) to the comic. A white male with long flowing blonde hair. In terms of his fate, its similar but with varying degrees of impact. In the movie its quite a powerful scene with Eric also rescuing Sarah's mother Darla. In the comic Funboy regrets and shows remorse for his previous crimes. He offers Eric a deal that if he gives him T-Bird's location, Eric will allow him to commit suicide (fourth to die) by overdose instead of Eric killing him.

T-Bird: This character displays the biggest change visually. In the comic he seems to be an African American male with long dreads, where as in the movie he's a short white male played by David Patrick Kelly. In both the comic and the movie T-Bird is the leader of the gang but in the comic he is the final character to die at the hands of Eric. Surprisingly, much like Tin-Tin and Top Dollar, T-Bird isn't as big of a character as he is in the movie. Overall all the villains in the comic are far more throwaway type characters than displayed in the movie; they are simply cannon fodder for Eric to slaughter.

Then in the movie you also have Sgt. Albrecht (Ernie Hudson) who is a composite of two comic characters; namely Captain Hook and a nervous rookie beat cop. Top Dollar (in the movie) has a sexy sultry female sidekick called Myca (Bai Ling) who doesn't appear in the comic. This character is a little weird as Top Dollar refers to her as his half-sister yet he also seems to have an obvious sexual relationship with her so...kinky? Myca also seems to be some of dark oracle or witch, something which is never really fully explained but merely hinted at throughout the movie. The young girl in the comic who Eric befriends is called Sherri, in the movie its changed to Sarah. In the movie you have the henchman called Grange (Tony Todd), who was based on the character of Shelby the giant in the comic. And finally the mysterious Death-like character called the Skull Cowboy is completely absent from the movie except for a deleted scene.

Its also worth noting that in the comic the actual crow is far more supernatural than in the movie. In the comic the crow not only leads Eric around but also talks to him, passes him information, goads him, berates him for dwelling on past memories etc...In the movie Eric simply follows the crow and occasionally sees what it sees, but no talking. The movie also introduced the notion that if the crow is killed, then whoever it raised from the dead can be injured or even killed again. As if the crow is merely a shield for each unsettled soul and its body. But how can you kill someone who's already dead? Unless their body (the shell) becomes mortal again which enables you to mortally wound it? Could the Crow take that persons soul to another body if needs be? This is a major plot issue that carries through into the sequel.

Of course there are many more little Hollywood touches that are included simply to make the whole feature more appealing to a mass audience. Before Eric kills T-Bird in his rather nice 1973 Ford Thunderbird, there is an entirely pointless car chase with the cops. Despite Eric being invincible he allows himself to get his ass kicked and shot on numerous occasions just so we the audience think there might be a threat or risk to the protagonist. Eric ends up needing Albrecht's help throughout despite being invincible; again to give us a sense of risk, some human compassion amongst the carnage. The hugely over the top climax in the huge gothic cathedral that leads to a very over the top sword fight on its roof amongst its gothic gargoyles and spires. This also felt extremely ripped off from Tim Burton's Batman finale. And finally the fact that Top Dollar is now interested in the occult/supernatural and has a witch-like sidekick to help him try and unlock the crows powers. Again this gives us a sense of risk for the protagonist which was totally absent in the comic where Eric was unstoppable.

For the most part the effects for this movie have admittedly not aged well (they weren't exactly great for the time). Whilst its nice that practical effects were used for a lot of the movie you can unfortunately see them very clearly. Various model/miniature shots of buildings and cityscapes do look pretty ropy in places, especially when live action (projection?) shots of cars were added to them (the fires look even worse because they did use projection technology for those). The big finale in the cathedral is an example of how the effects and sets did work effectively, but at the same time still a tad fake looking. The shadows and lighting helped in setting the mood but also in covering these obvious flaws.

Hell in all honesty even Eric's grave and surrounding graveyard looks pretty hokey these days, looks totally plastic. The only images/sequences that still do look quite good are basically all the shots with the trained raven (yes raven, not a crow). These are all genuinely innovative and highly atmospheric despite being obvious superimposed shots with thick black lines around all the edges.

Speaking of Eric, considering how early CGI effects were back in 1993/4 it is actually very impressive how the effects crew were able to superimpose Brandon Lee's face into certain shots. Lee had completed most of the required scenes needed but after his death rewrites and reshoots were needed. Using a body double strategically obscured by shadows the team merely slapped Lee's face on top of the body doubles face and kept the reveals minimal. For the most part the results being an effective quick glimpse which does look a little off-kilter but generally works fine. Other times the team had to use completely different footage of Lee and superimpose him against a totally different background. Eric breaking down in front of a broken mirror in his old apartment, and stumbling into said apartment for the first time were both entirely superimposed shots combined with CGI. Amazingly I never even knew this, never even noticed, which shows how good it was.

Where as some practical effects might now look incredibly dated, the stunts and action were handled very well. There aren't that many blazing action scenes but what we do get is very satisfying. Each gangster takedown by Eric does deliver a sense of justice, you do feel vindication for both Eric and Shelley. Although they don't follow the source material 100% there is a nice sense of variation and imagination in these death sequences. There is one highly impressive shot of a stunt double taking the full force of an equally impressive explosion in the scene where Eric blows up Gideon's pawn shop. I'm genuinely not sure how this guy didn't get burnt in this shot.

The main gun fight between Eric and various gang members in a dark dingy club is a highly vibrant and atmospheric sequence which is heightened by its accompanying thumping soundtrack. The blazing gun muzzles lighting up the gloomy room, the sparse lighting, the various baddies getting sliced diced and blown away by a frenzied Eric hellbent on revenge. Looking back the editing is a tad questionable as you can tell they chopped this sequence up (work print shows us how much they cut), but it does still work nicely. Alas the same can't be said for the helicopter chase sequence across the rooftops which really does highlight some terribly dated and obvious superimposed shots against model backgrounds.

The Soundtrack: What can I say? One of the best movie soundtracks ever? Yep its up there. Back in the 90's there were a few things that nearly every young person into rock agreed on. Nirvana were the dogs bollocks and you had to own 'The Crow' soundtrack. It was almost mandatory, the way things were. And frankly who could blame them, the tracks on this compilation are now almost as iconic as the movie itself. In fact most of these tracks are probably known as well as they are solely because of the movie. Admittedly at the time I didn't know who most of these bands were but most were instantly likeable and fit so well with the movie. They even had two bands (Medicine and My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult) cameo in the movie which sometimes can date a movie badly. Not here, somehow they just blend in perfectly as trashy acts in a scummy nightclub. Heck for a long time I didn't even know they were real bands.

But not only is the soundtrack fantastic the score is also top notch. The calm yet haunting orchestral score that accompanies Eric throughout the movie is terrific; a beautifully emotional selection of pieces that really can bring a tear to your eye (considering the circumstances of the movie). The final curtain of the movie and fade out to Jane Siberry's It Can't Rain all the Time still brings a lump to my throat.

Brandon: Would this movie have such a cult status had Brandon not died? Well this is the million dollar question isn't it. In all honesty I would have to say no and I say this because, although its a morbid thing to say, the death of Brandon added to the supernatural vibe/element of this movie. I mean, you couldn't script it any better if you think about it, its almost like a horror story in itself. A movie about someone dying before their time only to come back from the grave to tie things up; and then at the same time in reality that exact incident occurs to the actor performing in the paranormal feature. Had this occurred in any old silly action/adventure flick then the whole scenario would be totally different. It was the nature of this specific film that made the difference. The final interviews with Brandon where he speaks about mortality merely serve to ramp up the eerie atmosphere tenfold.

Unsurprisingly I do indeed consider this movie a cult classic. Lighting in a bottle. It was a game changer. A tour de force that came outta nowhere and kickstarted an entire genre and trend that stood the test of time. It positively dripped with gothic splendour and dark energy which even to this day many movies simply can't top. The movie is a totally different beast to the original comicbook but still manages to stand on its own offering an alternative (dare I say better) version. Yes you can argue that the movies plot is chock full of holes, makes no sense, and the characters are one dimensional. For instance Eric was just a regular guy before he died. But when he comes back from the dead he's suddenly an expert with all weapons, he can fight and perform various acrobatic moves. So the crow somehow gives you the power of being a martial arts military expert? And why the hell does Eric eventually have what looks like black bin liners and rope wrapped around him?

Nevertheless, the movie virtually overcomes all of this simply through solid direction from Alex Proyas, great pace, terrific set pieces, a superb atmosphere, quality performances, and of course Lee who haunts every frame with his strong yet ethereal performance. The über intense brooding superhero in the darkness. You could almost compare this movie to 'Robocop' in the fact that it made such a lasting impact and many of its stars (the villains) seemed to disappear after the fact, apparently not capitalising on the hit. I do think the movie would still have been a classic had Brandon not died, but not on the same level. Changes were made after his death which changed the movie in the long run, was the movie better for that? I guess we may never know that, debatable.

People seem to forget about this movie nowadays which I find incredible seeing as, along with Batman 89 and 'Blade', its easily one of the greatest comicbook movies ever made. Amazingly better than its source material in many ways. People talk about wanting good R rated comicbook flicks, yeah they already did that and this is it.

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this movie is so overrated its criminal.

I give it about a 3.5/10
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I give it about a 3.5/10
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It's really too bad this wasn't filmed in 3D and how awesome that would have been to experience.

Certain scenes come to mind like when he blows up Gideons pawn shop, the running on the rooftops, the end battle on the roof of the church.

Ah well...thanks for that retrospective Spirit Zero!

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The Crow was one of the first really dark films I ever saw, and even though I'm not into the horror genre anymore, this film remains a favorite. I take issue with some elements (brief nudity and gore, pervasive language), but all told this movie easily rests in my personal Top 50. I think one reason is I'm a hopeless romantic, and another is my belief in eternal justice. Killers and rapists may escape punishment in this life, but we all will face the ultimate judge someday...and He is never mocked. The character of Eric is often cited as the "avenging angel" stereotype, and the Bible does mention God having an angel of death at His service. So while I doubt such a real being would behave exactly as Eric does, I do think there's some truth to a story like The Crow.

I've also been blessed to have met a couple of people from the film - actors Ernie Hudson & Tony Todd, plus the comic's creator James O'Barr. Here's some pics and autograph scans I have, from each of them...enjoy!













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O'Barr looking young in that pic. Still got his long hair
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O'Barr looking young in that pic. Still got his long hair
That picture of me and James is from 2014 I think, maybe 2013. I've met him several times, the first way back in 2006.
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To think of what this movie and comic actually represent not Brandons death but the loss of O Barrs fiance, this movie was born from pain and it shows in every facet. You can really tell what he was going through when he put this to pen. Erics loss of Shelly complete with how he deals with it mirrors O Barrs loss in every way.

Brandons death while incredibly tragic, will always for his fans this movie will be the climax of his career.

The sequels that followed do no justice, and I truly hope a remake when it happens is truly faithful to the comic while letting this movie stand on its own.
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To think of what this movie and comic actually represent not Brandons death but the loss of O Barrs fiance, this movie was born from pain and it shows in every facet. You can really tell what he was going through when he put this to pen. Erics loss of Shelly complete with how he deals with it mirrors O Barrs loss in every way.
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Very sad indeed. He was actually scheduled to play Johnny Cage in the first Mortal Kombat film, following his honeymoon after completing The Crow. Linden Ashby did a good job, but can you imagine how Brandon would have done the character, if Cameron Diaz hadn't fractured her wrist during preparation for Sonya?

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The sequels that followed do no justice, and I truly hope a remake when it happens is truly faithful to the comic while letting this movie stand on its own.
City of Angels was absolute garbage, and from what I heard of Wicked Prayer, it was even worse. I liked the core story of Salvation, about a wrongly-executed younger man coming back to avenge the crooked cops who killed his girl...but there was so much crap surounding the main story I could barely stomach it. James told me once that he really liked Eric Mabius as the Crow, but "the rest needed a lot of work".
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Agreed.

Very sad indeed. He was actually scheduled to play Johnny Cage in the first Mortal Kombat film, following his honeymoon after completing The Crow. Linden Ashby did a good job, but can you imagine how Brandon would have done the character, if Cameron Diaz hadn't fractured her wrist during preparation for Sonya?

City of Angels was absolute garbage, and from what I heard of Wicked Prayer, it was even worse. I liked the core story of Salvation, about a wrongly-executed younger man coming back to avenge the crooked cops who killed his girl...but there was so much crap surounding the main story I could barely stomach it. James told me once that he really liked Eric Mabius as the Crow, but "the rest needed a lot of work".
Cameron Diaz would have SUCKED as Sonya, Brandon as Johnny OMFG would have been amazing
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Probably my favourite comic book movie of all time. Perfect translation from comic to screen. Brandon Lee is brilliantly cast, and the melancholic mood is just perfection.
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I agree about Brandon, but I think Cameron could've done a decent job. She was pretty good with the choreography for the first Charlie's Angels movie, and that was just five years after Mortal Kombat. She was cast in the role, but the injury to her wrist during fight training resulted in a last-minute recasting...so director Paul Anderson got Bridgette Wilson.
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Agreed.

Very sad indeed. He was actually scheduled to play Johnny Cage in the first Mortal Kombat film, following his honeymoon after completing The Crow. Linden Ashby did a good job, but can you imagine how Brandon would have done the character, if Cameron Diaz hadn't fractured her wrist during preparation for Sonya?

City of Angels was absolute garbage, and from what I heard of Wicked Prayer, it was even worse. I liked the core story of Salvation, about a wrongly-executed younger man coming back to avenge the crooked cops who killed his girl...but there was so much crap surounding the main story I could barely stomach it. James told me once that he really liked Eric Mabius as the Crow, but "the rest needed a lot of work".

I'm looking to review City of Angels soon. Personally I don't think its as bad as people make out. Iggy Pop is glorious, the soundtrack is almost as iconic and visually its beautiful. Alas it just comes across as a weaker remake of the original.

As for Salvation, that went down a different route which I appreciated, it just didn't have the backing for a grander overall movie.

Wicked Prayer was indeed crap.
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I still wish we got a different cut of The Crow. The current one doesn't work for me very well knowing that there is more footage out there.
And ofcourse the butchering of some of the violence plays a part in it as well.
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The Crow is a film that shouldn't work, because it's a mess structure wise.

From the offset, we are made to sympathise with Eric and Shelley, yet besides being murdered, we know nothing about them. We're drip fed information about them via flashbacks and dialogue from other characters, but even that's slightly sketchy, I mean who gives a f*** about two dead goth kids and their shitty living situation, (that ultimately got them killed)?

But here's the thing... You do care. You're completely invested in Eric's mission, because we can all relate to someone we love being ripped away from us, having no control over it. While Eric can't bring Shelley back, his revenge is pure 100% wish fulfilment for audiences.

That's why The Crow works.
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I'm looking to review City of Angels soon. Personally I don't think its as bad as people make out. Iggy Pop is glorious, the soundtrack is almost as iconic and visually its beautiful. Alas it just comes across as a weaker remake of the original.

As for Salvation, that went down a different route which I appreciated, it just didn't have the backing for a grander overall movie.

Wicked Prayer was indeed crap.
I liked the idea of a father coming back to avenge his son's murder, but I just can't stand the orgy crap and the idea of a Crow's power being transferred to someone else. The first film kept most of the former reigned in, and contained none of the latter, while City of Angels and Salvation escalated both to sickening levels. After the first film, it seemed like the main goal of the filmmakers was to make every sequel more disgusting than the last one. I noticed recently, that The Man Who Invented Christmas was directed by Bharat Nalluri...who also helmed Salvation way back in 2000. I was conflicted over that, since I like the latter film much more in total, but there's still elements of his Crow film I find enjoyable (mainly the performances of Eric Mabius and Kirsten Dunst).
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The Crow is a film that shouldn't work, because it's a mess structure wise.

From the offset, we are made to sympathise with Eric and Shelley, yet besides being murdered, we know nothing about them. We're drip fed information about them via flashbacks and dialogue from other characters, but even that's slightly sketchy, I mean who gives a f*** about two dead goth kids and their shitty living situation, (that ultimately got them killed)?

But here's the thing... You do care. You're completely invested in Eric's mission, because we can all relate to someone we love being ripped away from us, having no control over it. While Eric can't bring Shelley back, his revenge is pure 100% wish fulfilment for audiences.

That's why The Crow works.
I agree to an extent, but I think there's a little more to it. Most of us want to believe in a form of justice that exists beyond revenge, where the punishment always fits the crime and no one suffers needlessly. But we don't observe that in this life; in fact, the opposite happens around us every day. Eric and Shelley aren't just two random kids; they're the story's epitome of an innocent love who have never deliberately harmed anybody. All they wanted was the building they lived in to be properly maintained, nothing more or less - the flashbacks seem to indicate they didn't even know Top Dollar or his gang were involved. When T-Bird breaks down her door, Shelly's reaction is one of fear, yes...but also surprise. And we know from the film's ending fight, that Eric had no idea either until Top Dollar confessed on the church's roof. For the most part, Eric's flashbacks are geared toward two purposes: reminding him of his love for Shelly and the need for Top Dollar's goons to die since they escaped mortal justice. Eric's even willing to undergo a second death at Top Dollar's hands, just to secure Sarah's safety...because Skank's death had rendered Eric mortal.

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I still wish we got a different cut of The Crow. The current one doesn't work for me very well knowing that there is more footage out there.
And ofcourse the butchering of some of the violence plays a part in it as well.
The only footage I'm aware of that was destroyed, was the filming of Brandon's death - Alex Proyas made sure it was burned. Also, the scenes of Michael Berryman as the Skull Cowboy were never finished, since Proyas felt the VFX of the time couldn't do the character justice. What I'm more interested in though, are the originally-announced extras for the Blu-Ray release. Apparently, there was some kind of permission conflict with Brandon's mother Linda, so those extras were scrapped at the last minute.
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Old 05-12-2018, 03:04 PM   #19
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The Crow is up there as being my most bought and re-sold video. I had the VHS, DVD, and blu-ray and alway resold it - never got into it as much as I wanted to. Re-tried watching over the years but mehhh.
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Old 05-12-2018, 03:11 PM   #20
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Probably between this, Blade, TDK and Hellboy 2 as my favourite CBMs. Love The Crow.
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