The Incredibles 4K UHD (2004) - Page 32 - Blu-ray Forum

LordoftheRings · 06-05-2018, 08:37 PM

A flaw?

With 5.1 there is no matrix and no discrete. It's gotta be 6.1 or no cigars.

Geoff D · 06-05-2018, 08:38 PM

A choice.

LordoftheRings · 06-05-2018, 08:41 PM

From the old BR review right here:

"Note that while the primary audio track registers as a DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 surround mix, the actual track is a 5.1 channel ES mix (as the back coverart and main menu accurately state). The additional channel is matrixed by way of the right and left surrounds. It is not a discrete channel, meaning the track is not a true 6.1 mix."

barty22 · 06-05-2018, 08:44 PM

Think i missed something, which Disney movies are affected by a bad atmos mix?

dhui1996 · 06-05-2018, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by barty22

Think i missed something, which Disney movies are affected by a bad atmos mix?

Recently Thor and Black Panther were all reported with a bad atmos mix, not so much word on Star Wars or A Wrinkle in Time though.

LordoftheRings · 06-05-2018, 08:51 PM

Seven of them:

1. Age of Ultron
2. Winter Soldier

3. Coco
4. Ragnarok
5. The Last Jedi
6. Black Panther
7. Incredibles

Dreamliner330 · 06-05-2018, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Yes. This is another example of a soundbar or family-friendly home mix on a track that should be spectacular, namely the Dolby Atmos track.

Here we go again with your nonsense. Please link me to an Atmos Soundbar.

Mr. Hyphen · 06-05-2018, 08:59 PM

My Walmart also didn’t have it on the front case but the spot was on the side with the 4Ks but there was none on the shelf so I looked online and it said they had it in stock so I asked an employee if they could look for me and said he didn’t feel like it so I ordered it for in store pick up right in front of him, it’s been 5 hours no and my order still isn’t ready

Doctorossi · 06-05-2018, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

Please link me to an Atmos Soundbar.

How 'bout a few dozen of them?

https://www.amazon.com/s?url=search-...Atmos+soundbar

thorthefifth · 06-05-2018, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

Here we go again with your nonsense. Please link me to an Atmos Soundbar.

http://https://www.amazon.com/LG-Ele...70_&dpSrc=srch

Dreamliner330 · 06-05-2018, 09:06 PM

Lol. Lame. “I want immersive audio, I’ll buy a soundbar!” Still nonsense Disney is purposely gimping an audio mix for a soundbar. It’s simply not true.

LordoftheRings · 06-05-2018, 09:08 PM

You don't have to, most TVs come with integrated stereo speakers.

johnnyknoxsvill · 06-05-2018, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Hyphen

My Walmart also didn’t have it on the front case but the spot was on the side with the 4Ks but there was none on the shelf so I looked online and it said they had it in stock so I asked an employee if they could look for me and said he didn’t feel like it so I ordered it for in store pick up right in front of him, it’s been 5 hours no and my order still isn’t ready

I would of went straight to a manager, best case you could of gotten a GC out of it. Thats the #1 reason I don't ask for help at WM. If only I could help myself to the back room and just do it myself.

Geoff D · 06-05-2018, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

From the old BR review right here:

"Note that while the primary audio track registers as a DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 surround mix, the actual track is a 5.1 channel ES mix (as the back coverart and main menu accurately state). The additional channel is matrixed by way of the right and left surrounds. It is not a discrete channel, meaning the track is not a true 6.1 mix."

DTS literally changed their nomenclature so that amps reported DTS-ES matrix as "6.1" and even ordered Van Ling to list the DTS-HD 5.1-ES track as "6.1" on the T2 Skynet Edition Blu-ray. (He got his revenge with the 2015 disc when he listed the same audio as 5.1

)

Point being, a matrixed rear surround really is a thing whether you believe in it or not, this isn't Sanity Clause or the Easter Bunny we're talking about here. The effect still works extremely well, given that the DSPs in AVRs these days can extract 7.1 from an Lt/Rt 2.0 mix, never mind a simple phase shift to extract a rear surround from left and right. Sheesh, it's how Dolby Digital EX actually WORKED in the cinema before the discrete 7.1 theatrical formats came into play, as well as on DVDs which had no discrete EX option for Dolby Digital at all, only matrixed.

badboi · 06-05-2018, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Exactly where you hang out.

Apparently you do as well.

Dubstar · 06-05-2018, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

EX is matrixed.
ES is discrete.

you're preaching to the choir here.

cynatnite · 06-05-2018, 10:08 PM

Just finished watching and wanted to post a few quick thoughts.

The PQ was great. It really shined especially the green of the leaves and the water. I've never watched it on BD so I don't know how it does comparison-wise. Either way, I loved the PQ.

I'm no audiophile at all, but since getting our atmos soundbar, I have a tendency to compare all audio to Batman vs Superman's. Since I've only got what I call half atmos sound, I don't get the full on experience. I'd like to think I get a decent one.

Anyway, using Batman vs. Superman to compare with, the sound is okay. Just not great. There are so many great moments when having that detailed sound would really make this UHD a thing of beauty, but as has been said, Disney continues to take what I think are cheap shortcuts.

The subwoofer boomed in all the right places, but that's probably about as good as it got which isn't saying much.

I really don't think they're doing it for the soundbar crowd. IMO, they'd rather spend their money on visuals and not care so much about the audio side of films. They may think that most folks care only about the visuals.

Anyway...PQ - 4.5 and AQ - 3

Still a great fun movie to watch.

F34R · 06-05-2018, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WKoA13

Annnnnd just now got an email saying my steelbook has shipped....

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Originally Posted by Adam_ME

I got that too despite canceling the order.

Oh well, I can just take it to a Best Buy store and return it.

Yeah, same. I canceled my online pre, ordered it for in-store pickup. I got about 3/4 of the way to BB and I got an email notification confirming that mine shipped. smh lol

Chiptuner · 06-05-2018, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bdsje3

Does the Blu-ray (Movie Disc) have new trailers like Incredibles 2 on the beginning of the disc or still the 2011 Trailers such as Cars 2.

The regular blu ray does have the teaser trailer for Incredibles 2 with Jack-Jack. That’s it.

Doctorossi · 06-05-2018, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ThomasFMaher

The regular blu ray does have the teaser trailer for Incredibles 2 with Jack-Jack. That’s it.

I'm guessing Pixar's mildly irritating legacy of not including a UHD version of the movie's associated short persists.

06-05-2018, 08:41 PM	#623
LordoftheRings Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Portishead ♫	From the old BR review right here: "Note that while the primary audio track registers as a DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 surround mix, the actual track is a 5.1 channel ES mix (as the back coverart and main menu accurately state). The additional channel is matrixed by way of the right and left surrounds. It is not a discrete channel, meaning the track is not a true 6.1 mix." Last edited by LordoftheRings; 06-05-2018 at 08:46 PM.

06-05-2018, 08:37 PM	#621
LordoftheRings Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Portishead ♫	A flaw? With 5.1 there is no matrix and no discrete. It's gotta be 6.1 or no cigars.

06-05-2018, 08:38 PM	#622
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	A choice.

06-05-2018, 08:44 PM	#624
barty22 Active Member Member since:Jul 2012	Think i missed something, which Disney movies are affected by a bad atmos mix?

06-05-2018, 08:51 PM	#626
LordoftheRings Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Portishead ♫	Seven of them: 1. Age of Ultron 2. Winter Soldier 3. Coco 4. Ragnarok 5. The Last Jedi 6. Black Panther 7. Incredibles

06-05-2018, 08:59 PM	#628
Mr. Hyphen Member Member since:Jan 2018	My Walmart also didn’t have it on the front case but the spot was on the side with the 4Ks but there was none on the shelf so I looked online and it said they had it in stock so I asked an employee if they could look for me and said he didn’t feel like it so I ordered it for in store pick up right in front of him, it’s been 5 hours no and my order still isn’t ready

06-05-2018, 09:06 PM	#631
Dreamliner330 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jan 2012 Home Theater Gallery:1 4K collection:501 Blu-ray collection:1111 DVD collection:1 Trading Score:416	Lol. Lame. “I want immersive audio, I’ll buy a soundbar!” Still nonsense Disney is purposely gimping an audio mix for a soundbar. It’s simply not true.

06-05-2018, 09:08 PM	#632
LordoftheRings Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Portishead ♫	You don't have to, most TVs come with integrated stereo speakers.

06-05-2018, 10:08 PM	#637
cynatnite Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Kingsport, TN 4K collection:258 Blu-ray collection:784 DVD collection:405 MA collection:30 Digital collection:42 Blu-ray reviews: 34 Trading Score:2	Just finished watching and wanted to post a few quick thoughts. The PQ was great. It really shined especially the green of the leaves and the water. I've never watched it on BD so I don't know how it does comparison-wise. Either way, I loved the PQ. I'm no audiophile at all, but since getting our atmos soundbar, I have a tendency to compare all audio to Batman vs Superman's. Since I've only got what I call half atmos sound, I don't get the full on experience. I'd like to think I get a decent one. Anyway, using Batman vs. Superman to compare with, the sound is okay. Just not great. There are so many great moments when having that detailed sound would really make this UHD a thing of beauty, but as has been said, Disney continues to take what I think are cheap shortcuts. The subwoofer boomed in all the right places, but that's probably about as good as it got which isn't saying much. I really don't think they're doing it for the soundbar crowd. IMO, they'd rather spend their money on visuals and not care so much about the audio side of films. They may think that most folks care only about the visuals. Anyway...PQ - 4.5 and AQ - 3 Still a great fun movie to watch.

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