The Incredibles 4K UHD (2004) - Page 39 - Blu-ray Forum

fistymusic · 06-07-2018, 07:16 AM

After all the negative feedback on the latest Disney releases from many people, and also my disappointment of Disney's releases lately, particularly in the audio department with lower volume levels & weak dynamic range, I will not upgrade to the UHD titles, but keep my blu-ray's instead. It's a shame this is happening to Disney's titles. I don't look forward to there releases anymore. Please don't release Tron in UHD at the moment. This does not seem to be an issue with other studios. Fox, buy back your catalog.

s_har · 06-07-2018, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

Found this at Best Buy the other day... really makes you think.

I bet Disney's atmos tracks are tailored specifically to be used with these. Maybe I should get a pair?

PeterTHX · 06-07-2018, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Deric2014

Disney was involved nothing new.

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Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

That right there says it all about Disney new audio policy.

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Originally Posted by s_har

I bet Disney's atmos tracks are tailored specifically to be used with these. Maybe I should get a pair?

You guys mind not posting the same GIANT picture over and over again?

mikesncc1701 · 06-07-2018, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You guys mind not posting the same GIANT picture over and over again?

Lnds500 · 06-07-2018, 08:58 AM

I've been reading the thread and various other 4K threads and I wanted to voice my opinion about something

I think it's weird how a lot of people turn on their head to justify purchasing upscales and say that "it's great", "no need of a 4K conversion" while it was the complete opposite a few years ago.

I mean, I get it, the 4K BD, as it is, is better than the standard BD, but let's be adults and admit that there is potential for something better, especially if we are to preserve and keep these films for some time.

A 2K upscale will never be as good as a 4K master, the same way a Blu-ray sourced from a DVD master was never as good as a brand new restoration.

I understand why a re-rendering hasn't happened but I'll be damned if I ever accept the argument "we tried it and couldn't tell the difference" when it comes to computer graphics and resolution .

CGI films are the only digital films that we can practically remaster for 4K and I think that's what we should be striving for and not be "1000% ok" with Disney selling us upscales.

And yes I know some people are buying this for reasons other than the resolution (HDR, Atmos), I just wanted to voice my opinion regarding the upscaling practice.

Jimmy Smith · 06-07-2018, 09:14 AM

Yeah I might make the upgrade for the one if it drops in price by a LOT. While I like this movie this doesn't seem like it offers an upgrade nearly worth its current price tag

StoogeFan1118 · 06-07-2018, 10:49 AM

This is one of my favorite Pixar films so I will be upgrading sound dosent bother me much im more of a video quality kind of guy. I dint have a good sound system as of now but maybe in the future i will get one. I know that wont sit well round here where people can tend to be a bit on the rude and disrespectful side when you do not have audio equipment that match their own or disagree with someones opinion but whatever. Not sure I will pay $30 for this release as the PQ does not seem to be a huge upgrade guess I will decide when im in the store movie in hand.

ROSS.T.G. · 06-07-2018, 10:52 AM

Yes, let us all be adults... lol wtf does that mean?

Doctorossi · 06-07-2018, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lnds500

CGI films are the only digital films that we can practically remaster for 4K and I think that's what we should be striving for and not be "1000% ok" with Disney selling us upscales.

While I appreciate your intent, to my mind, this is a 2K movie being presented as well as the UHD disc format can allow. If a movie has more than 2K resolution and is being sourced from a 2K master for UHD disc, that's an issue for me and a failure to take advantage of the format. That's not the case here.

As much as I would enjoy a 4K re-render of The Incredibles, it would be above and beyond and I don't feel entitled to it. Again, it's a 2K movie.

bbeck · 06-07-2018, 12:55 PM

Re-rendering a 2K computer animated film from 2004 in 4K?

This isn't Blade Runner . . . there aren't hidden levels of detail just waiting to emerge with the click of an "Enhance" button in RenderMan.

Also, people may be upset that the very strong (despite clipping) DTS track wasn't transformed into something approaching Saving Private Ryan-levels of aural intensity in Atmos. I'll admit, I got my hopes up a little too. But the fact that the DTS was carried over to the 4K disc as an alternate track is noteworthy. How many other re-releases can you think of where the audio was redone and the original track was included as well?

s_har · 06-07-2018, 01:11 PM

Re-rendering in 4K could also have other implications such as being seen as an act of #revisionism.

reidw · 06-07-2018, 01:12 PM

Raise the volume 8 to 10 points to experience Dolby Atmos? Why not just raise the volume on the regular tracks? Either way the sound bounces off the ceiling and it seems that the effect is just about the same? (As I've been saying for months).

When this movie was announced for 4K there were several postings musing about how great the image and sound was going to be. I tried to point out that you can't add what wasn't there in the first place (detail, colour etc.). More than one poster rebutted that Pixar would be sure to improve those facets of the presentation although that seemed to me to be nothing more than an assumption. I was a sceptic and it seems I was right to be so. Pixar in fact may have subtracted from an excellent 1080P Bluray. Disappointing.

bbeck · 06-07-2018, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by reidw

Pixar in fact may have subtracted from an excellent 1080P Bluray. Disappointing.

Check out the PQ reviews on the past few pages of this thread.

Nothing371 · 06-07-2018, 01:24 PM

I'm going to need people to explain one thing for me regarding the Disney Dolby Atmos situation.

If all that is required for you to achieve a normal level of Atmos sound is for you to turn you volume up 8-10 notches, then what is the problem?

(serious question. I'm not looking to instigate; just trying to understand. I use a simple 2.1 soundbar and have little knowledge about Atmos setups.)

bbeck · 06-07-2018, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by s_har

Re-rendering in 4K could also have other implications such as being seen as an act of #revisionism.

Seems to me like revisionism is the name of the game when it comes to most of these 4K releases. (HDR, to say nothing of remixing for Atmos.) The trick is achieving a level of revisionism that most people will like.

I for one would much prefer a picture that hews as closely as possible to the artist's original intent than one that continually "pops" from one scene to the next just for the sake of wowing people. If that means The Incredibles gets a "minor" uptick in detail and "more restrained" application of HDR, so be it in my book.

jh901 · 06-07-2018, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by reidw

When this movie was announced for 4K there were several postings musing about how great the image and sound was going to be. I tried to point out that you can't add what wasn't there in the first place (detail, colour etc.).

Pixar in fact may have subtracted from an excellent 1080P Bluray.

Disappointing.

Are you here to learn or to find reinforcement for your notion that image quality can't be improved since there isn't a 4K master source?

Sincerely.

Also, can you point to evidence that supports your claim that "Pixar in fact may have subtracted from an excellent 1080P Bluray"? Honestly, I don't think you can find a shred of evidence to support this.

avs commenter · 06-07-2018, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ssb0224

Glad I haven't opened my UHD yet, considering a return to BB... may wait for Bill Hunt's take as well, but I absolutely will not give Disney premium $ for a sub-premium product.

Not all heroes wear capes

jh901 · 06-07-2018, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nothing371

I'm going to need people to explain one thing for me regarding the Disney Dolby Atmos situation.

There isn't a problem with Atmos exclusively. Forget about Atmos for a moment.

Please. Just. Forget about it.

DOLBY TRUEHD 7.1

^This is the problem.

Anyone who can't hear the shortcomings on Black Panther or Ragnarok or Coco simply don't have experience or don't have a good enough set-up (or perhaps simply don't care much about sound). I can't comment on The Incredibles 4K specifically as far as this issue goes.

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Originally Posted by Nothing371

If all that is required for you to achieve a normal level of Atmos sound is for you to turn you volume up 8-10 notches, then what is the problem?

See above.

Nothing371 · 06-07-2018, 01:39 PM

ok that doesn't explain the problem at all.

BigBlue10989 · 06-07-2018, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jh901

There isn't a problem with Atmos exclusively. Forget about Atmos for a moment.

Please. Just. Forget about it.

DOLBY TRUEHD 7.1

^This is the problem.

Anyone who can't hear the shortcomings on Black Panther or Ragnarok or Coco simply don't have experience or don't have a good enough set-up (or perhaps simply don't care much about sound). I can't comment on The Incredibles 4K specifically as far as this issue goes.

See above.

Or they value actual fidelity over dynamic range, like myself.

06-07-2018, 07:16 AM	#761
fistymusic Active Member Member since:May 2009 Location:Sydney, Australia	After all the negative feedback on the latest Disney releases from many people, and also my disappointment of Disney's releases lately, particularly in the audio department with lower volume levels & weak dynamic range, I will not upgrade to the UHD titles, but keep my blu-ray's instead. It's a shame this is happening to Disney's titles. I don't look forward to there releases anymore. Please don't release Tron in UHD at the moment. This does not seem to be an issue with other studios. Fox, buy back your catalog.

06-07-2018, 08:58 AM	#765
Lnds500 Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Athens, Greece 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:214 DVD collection:30 Digital collection:12 iTunes collection:235 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:75	I've been reading the thread and various other 4K threads and I wanted to voice my opinion about something I think it's weird how a lot of people turn on their head to justify purchasing upscales and say that "it's great", "no need of a 4K conversion" while it was the complete opposite a few years ago. I mean, I get it, the 4K BD, as it is, is better than the standard BD, but let's be adults and admit that there is potential for something better, especially if we are to preserve and keep these films for some time. A 2K upscale will never be as good as a 4K master, the same way a Blu-ray sourced from a DVD master was never as good as a brand new restoration. I understand why a re-rendering hasn't happened but I'll be damned if I ever accept the argument "we tried it and couldn't tell the difference" when it comes to computer graphics and resolution . CGI films are the only digital films that we can practically remaster for 4K and I think that's what we should be striving for and not be "1000% ok" with Disney selling us upscales. And yes I know some people are buying this for reasons other than the resolution (HDR, Atmos), I just wanted to voice my opinion regarding the upscaling practice.

06-07-2018, 09:14 AM	#766
Jimmy Smith Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2008 Blu-ray collection:17	Yeah I might make the upgrade for the one if it drops in price by a LOT. While I like this movie this doesn't seem like it offers an upgrade nearly worth its current price tag

06-07-2018, 10:49 AM	#767
StoogeFan1118 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Trading Score:2	This is one of my favorite Pixar films so I will be upgrading sound dosent bother me much im more of a video quality kind of guy. I dint have a good sound system as of now but maybe in the future i will get one. I know that wont sit well round here where people can tend to be a bit on the rude and disrespectful side when you do not have audio equipment that match their own or disagree with someones opinion but whatever. Not sure I will pay $30 for this release as the PQ does not seem to be a huge upgrade guess I will decide when im in the store movie in hand.

06-07-2018, 10:52 AM	#768
ROSS.T.G. Blu-ray Champion Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Ontario, Canada 4K collection:393 Blu-ray collection:1549 Blu-ray reviews:16	Yes, let us all be adults... lol wtf does that mean?

06-07-2018, 12:55 PM	#770
bbeck Expert Member Member since:Dec 2007 4K collection:402 Blu-ray collection:680 DVD collection:23 MA collection:25 Digital collection:4 iTunes collection:3 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:34	Re-rendering a 2K computer animated film from 2004 in 4K? This isn't Blade Runner . . . there aren't hidden levels of detail just waiting to emerge with the click of an "Enhance" button in RenderMan. Also, people may be upset that the very strong (despite clipping) DTS track wasn't transformed into something approaching Saving Private Ryan-levels of aural intensity in Atmos. I'll admit, I got my hopes up a little too. But the fact that the DTS was carried over to the 4K disc as an alternate track is noteworthy. How many other re-releases can you think of where the audio was redone and the original track was included as well?

06-07-2018, 01:11 PM	#771
s_har Special Member Member since:Jan 2017 4K collection:268 Blu-ray collection:268 Trading Score:22	Re-rendering in 4K could also have other implications such as being seen as an act of #revisionism.

06-07-2018, 01:12 PM	#772
reidw Member Member since:Mar 2010 Blu-ray reviews:1	Raise the volume 8 to 10 points to experience Dolby Atmos? Why not just raise the volume on the regular tracks? Either way the sound bounces off the ceiling and it seems that the effect is just about the same? (As I've been saying for months). When this movie was announced for 4K there were several postings musing about how great the image and sound was going to be. I tried to point out that you can't add what wasn't there in the first place (detail, colour etc.). More than one poster rebutted that Pixar would be sure to improve those facets of the presentation although that seemed to me to be nothing more than an assumption. I was a sceptic and it seems I was right to be so. Pixar in fact may have subtracted from an excellent 1080P Bluray. Disappointing.

06-07-2018, 01:24 PM	#774
Nothing371 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2015 Location:Minneapolis 4K collection:526 Blu-ray collection:1047 Trading Score:11	I'm going to need people to explain one thing for me regarding the Disney Dolby Atmos situation. If all that is required for you to achieve a normal level of Atmos sound is for you to turn you volume up 8-10 notches, then what is the problem? (serious question. I'm not looking to instigate; just trying to understand. I use a simple 2.1 soundbar and have little knowledge about Atmos setups.)

06-07-2018, 01:39 PM	#779
Nothing371 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2015 Location:Minneapolis 4K collection:526 Blu-ray collection:1047 Trading Score:11	ok that doesn't explain the problem at all.

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