Sony UBP-X700 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[slinger45]

Originally Posted by dloiphone

Anyone using this player with a Sony X940E?

Thank you in advance.

Me, although I havent had much of chance to use it yet.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

I saw this on the other forum...

about 1 hour ago · #1282
alurry said:
Original Post
Why do non-DV disk look better with DV turned on? Is it actually pulling extra information from the disk or is it just adding a "filter" on top or simply adjusting the picture like you can do with your TV settings? I just checked Game of Thrones because of the last comment and it does look a lot better to my eye...


Some of us would like to know how this is achieved. The dynamic range is expanded somehow and where it needs to be in the case of more recent movie titles. I am seeing lights, fire, explosions, sky, etc that are brightened dramatically while details in dark areas are maintained. It is not a matter of engaging different TV settings. It is magical to me, but I am not overthinking it and just enjoying the results.

Anyone here on the BluRay.com x700 forum knows the answer. Obviously 1080p disc, straight HDR10 disc, x700 Netflix App_____ All don't have Dynamic MetaData for DV Realtime(dynamic) Image changes for screen presentation

[Sky_Captain]

Bought.

Picking it up after work, in three and a half hours.

[Aston_Martin_DB5]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Bought.

Picking it up after work, in three and a half hours.

Had mine just over a week and it's great. Hope you enjoys bud.

[Sky_Captain]

Right, got it home and set it up.

The first thing I threw into it after updating it, wasn't a UHD disc.

I wanted to see: (a) Could it pass through Dolby Vision demos from a portable HD drive? Yes, it could. Dispelling this nonsense from certain people on AVSForums, that the player isn't actually outputting a DV signal, but tricking our displays. Anything else on the HD, it played in its proper format, (SDR stayed as SDR), refusing to convert any of it, (which is good), even the various HDR demos that I threw at it.

(b) What exactly did the forced DV do to blu-rays? I've read various things, and while I've only looked at a couple of titles, I was not appalled. I intend to a lot more testing , but it reminded me of a less crap version of various sets faux HDR modes. No grey bars encountered.

Sony engineers saying that the player will simply pass through all SDR content as exactly that, are talking rubbish.

The below images are from the Japanese release of Aeon Flux, and the standard release of Ride Along 2. DV mode was activated while taking this images.










Pure voodoo magic.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Yep. Surely Pretty Sharp and Chrisp Images from the x700.

Captain. What TV were those displayed on?
Thinking you might have multiple TV's in your home.

I know what Sony x700 looks like on a LG E6 OLED.
Would love to see Photo's side-by-side LG OLED to Sony Z9D.

I been changing my home TV selections.
Thinking for Sony Z9"F" or 940"F", 930"F"(I have room for a 55 inch, maybe 65 inch LED TV). Excited for September's IFA 2018 Trade Show.

[Aston_Martin_DB5]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Right, got it home and set it up.

The first thing I threw into it after updating it, wasn't a UHD disc.

I wanted to see: (a) Could it pass through Dolby Vision demos from a portable HD drive? Yes, it could. Dispelling this nonsense from certain people on AVSForums, that the player isn't actually outputting a DV signal, but tricking our displays. Anything else on the HD, it played in its proper format, (SDR stayed as SDR), refusing to convert any of it, (which is good), even the various HDR demos that I threw at it.
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(b) What exactly did the forced DV do to blu-rays? I've read various things, and while I've only looked at a couple of titles, I was not appalled. I intend to a lot more testing , but it reminded me of a less crap version of various sets faux HDR modes. No grey bars encountered.

Sony engineers saying that the player will simply pass through all SDR content as exactly that, are talking rubbish.

The below images are from the Japanese release of Aeon Flux, and the standard release of Ride Along 2. DV mode was activated while taking this images.










Pure voodoo magic.

Glad you are enjoying the player. I know the pest you are talking about, maybe they should stick to other forums, instead of spamming these threads.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Sky Captain posted

I wanted to see: (a) Could it pass through Dolby Vision demos from a portable HD drive? Yes, it could. Dispelling this nonsense from certain people on AVSForums, that the player isn't actually outputting a DV signal, but tricking our displays.

I read the AVS Forums time to time. Tho I don't have an account there. Nor have I ever posted on any AVS Forums.

Can you share what they posted regards x700 DV. The nature of that DV presented to the TV Screens.

[Doctor Jack]

I just got this player and an oled LGB7. Everything looks great but I feel like the audio is off ever so slightly. I run an hdmi from the audio/video slot to the receiver and then into my tv. Could something be getting lost in there? I’ve tried bitstream and pcm on the player but neither makes a difference. Sometimes the audio is spot on and sometimes it seems off. I think it might be me not being used to this size of a tv and I can see lips moving more noticeably. Anyone else have an audio problem with this player? Would using an ARC, which my tv has, help? I’m not too knowledgeable about it.

[Voltaire53]

Given I have to switch on Dolby Vision manually (and remember to turn off after watching a DV disc) is there a good way to find out if a 4K disc is DV or HDR-10... Obviously it would be better if it auto-detected fully but until (if) that happens at least I will know to turn it off for BDs and DVDs but to me it seems many 4K discs just say HDR (not which type!) and I don't want tro turn on DV for a non-DV encoded 4K disc (with it's potential negative side effects).

I also notice odd info from even this site with (eg) Black Panther (US release) being DV but Black Panther (UK release) lablelled as HDR but not HDR-10 or DV... my guess would be if one release worldwide is DV thay all will (but you never know!) - any advice?

[Sky_Captain]

Given that I don't have the player going to an amp, I'm just leaving it on. The tests I've done today, have shown that the real HD-10 and faux DV signals are virtually indistinguishable from each other. I thought that DNR was being introduced in the chain, but that's so far unfounded.

[randian]

Originally Posted by Voltaire53

Given I have to switch on Dolby Vision manually (and remember to turn off after watching a DV disc)

That's such a slipshod implementation of DV that I'm postponing my purchase of an X700. It's like they took the engineering test version of the software and decided to release it as a real product, and I won't reward the insult.

[Voltaire53]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Given that I don't have the player going to an amp, I'm just leaving it on. The tests I've done today, have shown that the real HD-10 and faux DV signals are virtually indistinguishable from each other.

It's a shame that if that's the case they didn't give a middle 'lazy' option that given the X-700 *can* detect HDR (just not which type), you can set the Dolby Vision option to 'Off', 'On' or 'Any HDR' so if it detects *any* HDR it applies DV so, if it's a DV disc it will be perfect, if it's HDR-10 it will output with a DV flag (faux DV signal) but still be 'virtually indistinguishable' and if there is no HDR at all (ie it's a DVD or BD or even 4K with no HDR) it will not output the DV flag - and as an aside can look for any 3D signal again.

In the long run though I really hope future firmware updates do the whole thing automatically, properly!

[Voltaire53]

Originally Posted by randian

That's such a slipshod implementation of DV that I'm postponing my purchase of an X700. It's like they took the engineering test version of the software and decided to release it as a real product, and I won't reward the insult.

Fair reaction; I honestly think Sony promised the update for Dolby Vision in Spring 2018 and decided, rather than delay and get slagged off for being really late (as people were already saying they would do if it was delayed long) they released an imperfect solution (hopefully with the full intention of a future release of a finished, fully finished version) as their best bet.

For me it is not such a big deal as I had an X-700 anyway (not knowing about the DV upgrade promise) so it is still an improvement - I just wish discs were maked up with whether they were DV or HDR-10 for full clarity, until (hopefully) Sony do sort it out.

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by Voltaire53

It's a shame that if that's the case they didn't give a middle 'lazy' option that given the X-700 *can* detect HDR (just not which type), you can set the Dolby Vision option to 'Off', 'On' or 'Any HDR' so if it detects *any* HDR it applies DV so, if it's a DV disc it will be perfect, if it's HDR-10 it will output with a DV flag (faux DV signal) but still be 'virtually indistinguishable' and if there is no HDR at all (ie it's a DVD or BD or even 4K with no HDR) it will not output the DV flag - and as an aside can look for any 3D signal again.

In the long run though I really hope future firmware updates do the whole thing automatically, properly!

It flags content perfectly via USB, so hopefully an easy fix.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Just popped in 4K UHD Disc Fury with Brad Pitt.

With x700 DV switched on... Details are considerably more defined and chrisp. DV badge lights up on my E6 OLED.

With x700 DV switched off... Details are not as well defined and not as chrisp. HDR badge lights up on my E6 OLED.

I'll try to post screen photo captures later comparing the two.

[BluRayHiDef]

How does this compare to the LG UBK90?

[Voltaire53]

Originally Posted by E6AtmosVuduDV

Just popped in 4K UHD Disc Fury with Brad Pitt.

With x700 DV switched on... Details are considerably more defined and chrisp. DV badge lights up on my E6 OLED.
With x700 DV switched off... Details are not as well defined and not as chrisp. HDR badge lights up on my E6 OLED.

I haven't tried it - so I may be wrong - but I think if you put in any Blu-ray (not even a 4K) if you switch on DV on the X-700 the flag is set so the DV badge will light up on your E6 (but the colours will bill way to forced bright and wrong).
If you then turn DV off on the X-700 the E6 will show the correct SDR indication with the correct colour balance.

[The Duke]

Originally Posted by Voltaire53

I haven't tried it - so I may be wrong - but I think if you put in any Blu-ray (not even a 4K) if you switch on DV on the X-700 the flag is set so the DV badge will light up on your E6 (but the colours will bill way to forced bright and wrong).
If you then turn DV off on the X-700 the E6 will show the correct SDR indication with the correct colour balance.

On DV enabled displays switching on DV on the X700 does seem to result in a DV badge on the display regardless if the source is DV or HDR10, but most folks are reporting correct colors & brightness, and even an improvement, such as elimination of the gray bars on OLEDS.

But what's interesting is what the X700 does for HDR only (no DV) displays. My 65" Sony 850E has only the X1 processor, not the X1 extreme, so it didn't get the DV update. On UHD BDs, whether DV or HDR, the X700 always reports HDR output (my 850E doesn't report the HDR input, only the resolution) and the colors & brightness are the best I've seen on the 850E.

And last night I played the Netflix disc by mail BD rental of Pacific Rim Uprising with DV and 4k upconversion set to ON in the X700. The picture was amazing, almost UHD quality, with clear and distinctive HDR highlights. Sony touts SDR-HDR conversion as a feature of the player, and it sure was on display with PR Uprising BD. The standard BD of PR Uprising has an Atmos track, and the X700 bitstreams that to my Onkyo 656 AVR perfectly.

I'm sure as heck not going to stop buying UHDs as that's my preferred format. I have Pacific Rim UHD and enjoy it, but with mixed reviews of Uprising I thought I'd go with a rental BD first. Uprising is also a fun film, I'll pick up the UHD when it's at a happy price.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Right, got it home and set it up.

The first thing I threw into it after updating it, wasn't a UHD disc.

I wanted to see: (a) Could it pass through Dolby Vision demos from a portable HD drive? Yes, it could. Dispelling this nonsense from certain people on AVSForums, that the player isn't actually outputting a DV signal, but tricking our displays. Anything else on the HD, it played in its proper format, (SDR stayed as SDR), refusing to convert any of it, (which is good), even the various HDR demos that I threw at it.

(b) What exactly did the forced DV do to blu-rays? I've read various things, and while I've only looked at a couple of titles, I was not appalled. I intend to a lot more testing , but it reminded me of a less crap version of various sets faux HDR modes. No grey bars encountered.

Sony engineers saying that the player will simply pass through all SDR content as exactly that, are talking rubbish.

The below images are from the Japanese release of Aeon Flux, and the standard release of Ride Along 2. DV mode was activated while taking this images.










Pure voodoo magic.

Wow.

You own Aeon Flux!