Superman: The Movie 4K UHD (1978)

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I still wants SR on 4K if only to get a better encode than that creaky old VC-1 shite on the BD.

You monster. The narcolepsy it contains is dangerous enough in 1080p.

[Geoff D]

I wants it!! The jet rescue scene alone is one of the greatest big-screen Superman action scenes there's ever been, and ever likely to be.

[Vangeli]

Also I love Kevin Spa- ...oh.

[trans8010]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I wants it!! The jet rescue scene alone is one of the greatest big-screen Superman action scenes there's ever been, and ever likely to be.

SR has great moments throughout.

The Metropolis rescue, as the quakes ravage the city is a fantastic sequence.

Orbiting the Earth drowning out the voices of all those people, another.

Lifting the kryptonite continent out of the sky

Soaking in all that solar energy just before he attempts to remove that crime against nature.

Hell I even like the flying sequence with Lois, even if it has no place in the film and is obviously a tug on the original, it's a tender moment between the two.

[MisterXDTV]

Superman Returns is even less likely in UHD than the 80's sequels.

It's basically a forgotten movie now and keep in mind that it was shot in 1080p digital (HDCAM-SR). So it would be an upscale even bigger than "normal" 2K upscales

Also Spacey + Singer doesn't help at all....

[imsounoriginal]

I don't think a Superman Returns UHD is impossible, but it's definitely

[trans8010]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Superman Returns is even less likely in UHD than the 80's sequels.

It's basically a forgotten movie now and keep in mind that it was shot in 1080p digital (HDCAM-SR). So it would be an upscale even bigger than "normal" 2K upscales

Also Spacey + Singer doesn't help at all....

Singer's X-Men films are getting the same treatment. Kevin Spacey may be a villain now, but his films are still in print. It is not an impossibility. It will only happen if Warner Bros. believes that a considerable profit could be made from any new upscaling. I agree with the others here, in saying it is not likely to happen, but stranger things have happened.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Superman Returns is even less likely in UHD than the 80's sequels.

It's basically a forgotten movie now and keep in mind that it was shot in 1080p digital (HDCAM-SR). So it would be an upscale even bigger than "normal" 2K upscales

Also Spacey + Singer doesn't help at all....

What does Spacey or Singer have to do with it? Singer's original X-Men movies are coming to 4K so why can't this? The whole Singer/Spacey argument is lame. Lots of artists have done awful things but they still put their stuff out in some form or another. Look at Jane Fonda. She did some horrible stuff and was still able to work after that. Studios are still putting her movies out in theaters and on Blu-ray. If it will make the studio some money they will put it out. There are enough people that would want to see Superman Returns come out on 4K for Warner to do it. It made more money than Batman and Robin and gets loads more love too. If Warner can put out Steel on DVD they can certainly put out Superman Returns on 4k.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

What does Spacey or Singer have to do with it? Singer's original X-Men movies are coming to 4K so why can't this? The whole Singer/Spacey argument is lame. Lots of artists have done awful things but they still put their stuff out in some form or another. Look at Jane Fonda. She did some horrible stuff and was still able to work after that. Studios are still putting her movies out in theaters and on Blu-ray. If it will make the studio some money they will put it out. There are enough people that would want to see Superman Returns come out on 4K for Warner to do it. It made more money than Batman and Robin and gets loads more love too. If Warner can put out Steel on DVD they can certainly put out Superman Returns on 4k.

We will see: the fact that he made more money than Batman&Robin means very little (and it came out 9 years later). I don't think B&R will get a UHD disc either....

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by trans8010

Lack of competition had lil or nothing to do with the praise. Superman II was a logical followup in the progression of Superman's story, forsaking his destiny for a chance at happiness and love and seeing just how much of a mistake it was. Realizing he cannot have it both ways, and putting aside his own wants and needs for the greater good, it resonates with us. It was powerful drama, and a heartbreaking story about love and lost, never before seen in a comic book or fantasy film. Lack of competition or not, Superman II much like its predecessor, helped grow comic book films out of adolescence. Critics and fans took notice.

Have you ever thought of writing reviews for those films that win Razzies? Maybe they would fare better.

[The Fallen Deity]

The special edition really needs a new transfer as well. The current transfer doesn't hold up well at all.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Superman Returns is even less likely in UHD than the 80's sequels.

It's basically a forgotten movie now and keep in mind that it was shot in 1080p digital (HDCAM-SR). So it would be an upscale even bigger than "normal" 2K upscales

Also Spacey + Singer doesn't help at all....

Pffft, the difference between 1080p and "normal 2K" is nominally a few pixels in either axis. And it was shot 1080p, sure, but finished on a 2K DI like most everything else. I might as well regurgitate this post from the main forum:

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I saw the IMAX 3D too, and at least it didn't have the godawful banding seen on the creaky old HD DVD encode that's still being peddled by Warners on Blu-ray 12 years later.

People have always been very quick to attribute a lot of the transfer's shortcomings to the Genesis but even though it was "only" 1080p it had a Super 35-sized sensor and had a true RGB array which gives it a certain purity to the colour capture, having the same amount of red, green and blue pixels for each colour rather than the Bayer array so common on today's cameras (Genesis' sensor having 1920x3=5760).

What we see of it on Blu-ray is IMO a combo of the aesthetic of the film (using golds, yellows and bronzes in the production design, which itself was tweaked for a more "pastel" look in the grade along with a certain romanticised softness at times, as well as some less than stellar CG) being presented by way of a very outdated encode.

It would "only" be an upscale but I'd sell all your souls to have Superman Returns on 4K UHD, which itself has 4x the chroma resolution of HD (even when dealing with an upscale), and with that true RGB source capture I think there's a fair bit of potential for this to look rather good in UHD.

Genesis records in 10-bit 4:4:4 log, enough to capture a goodly amount of dynamic range that's hitherto unseen on current formats, so combine the 4K upscale (inc. 4x the chroma resolution of HD) with the wide colour gamut, HDR, better compression without that awful banding, plus adding in whatever detail that Warners inevitably filtered off for the BD, and SR has as good a chance as any to record a serious improvement in picture quality on UHD. People have seriously got to get over this '1080p = shot on a potato' mentality.

Again: pffft.

[The Fallen Deity]

The banding in the underwater scenes in SR hurts my eyes and my TV.

[Geoff D]

That banding hurts my soul, dude. It's so bad.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Pffft, the difference between 1080p and "normal 2K" is nominally a few pixels in either axis. And it was shot 1080p, sure, but finished on a 2K DI like most everything else. I might as well regurgitate this post from the main forum:



Genesis records in 10-bit 4:4:4 log, enough to capture a goodly amount of dynamic range that's hitherto unseen on current formats, so combine the 4K upscale (inc. 4x the chroma resolution of HD) with the wide colour gamut, HDR, better compression without that awful banding, plus adding in whatever detail that Warners inevitably filtered off for the BD, and SR has as good a chance as any to record a serious improvement in picture quality on UHD.

Again: pffft.

What does pffft mean??

I know that UHD offers more than just resolution: I just don't think this title is very high on Warner's priority list.

- it's not as beloved as the original
- it's an "old" digital production: HD-CAM SR recording format is outdated by today's standards

Of course I would like this to get a better encoding than the HD-DVD port we have now: I just don't think it's going to happen... I hope I'm wrong though

[RalphoR]

I can't wait for Superman II as well. "I've never seen garbage eat garbage before" needs to be heard in Dolby ATMOS.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

What does pffft mean??

I know that UHD offers more than just resolution: I just don't think this title is very high on Warner's priority list.

- it's not as beloved as the original
- it's an "old" digital production: HD-CAM SR recording format is outdated by today's standards

Of course I would like this to get a better encoding than the HD-DVD port we have now: I just don't think it's going to happen... I hope I'm wrong though

HDCAM SR is "outdated" enough to be able to carry 10-bit 4:4:4 with 440 Mb/s video bitrate, specs that would smash any current consumer video format into smithereens. But hey, I guess it's only one step short of a wax cylinder or a piece of papyrus? And that format is what it was shot on, not what it was stored on, which is likely the same 10-bit DPX files that most DIs get rendered out to and then stored on LTO tape. The capability is there, whether you want to believe it or not.

As for the merits of the film itself, Warners consider it to be part of Superman canon and it has been re-released multiple times on Blu-ray (original DD 5.1 disc, then the DTHD/PCM re-issue, then the DTS-HD version included with the Superman boxset) so if they get around to doing the other Reeve pictures in 4K after STM then they will revisit SR in due course. I'm not saying it's "high on their list", I'm saying that they'll get to it eventually. And I'll be first in line.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I wants it!! The jet rescue scene alone is one of the greatest big-screen Superman action scenes there's ever been, and ever likely to be.

It's so well staged, shame Singer lost all his mojo there.

[Geoff D]

Yeah, it's like he used up all of his action juice on that one scene. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the sight of a muscled man grappling a giant tubular object.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Pffft, the difference between 1080p and "normal 2K" is nominally a few pixels in either axis. And it was shot 1080p, sure, but finished on a 2K DI like most everything else. I might as well regurgitate this post from the main forum:



Genesis records in 10-bit 4:4:4 log, enough to capture a goodly amount of dynamic range that's hitherto unseen on current formats, so combine the 4K upscale (inc. 4x the chroma resolution of HD) with the wide colour gamut, HDR, better compression without that awful banding, plus adding in whatever detail that Warners inevitably filtered off for the BD, and SR has as good a chance as any to record a serious improvement in picture quality on UHD. People have seriously got to get over this '1080p = shot on a potato' mentality.

Again: pffft.

The RED series wishes it had the imaging the Genesis could pull off.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yeah, it's like he used up all of his action juice on that one scene. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the sight of a muscled man grappling a giant tubular object.