Do you, like me, want a Black Hawk Down re-master? - Blu-ray Forum

CAB · 08-03-2007, 03:26 AM

Maybe Sony started a bad trend re-mastering and replacing but now I really want an updated Blackhawk Down. PCM sound is scary-good but, wow, could the PQ be much improved. Call me spoiled with the new transfers. All I can say is I'd hate to own HD-DVD and know that there is no hope for better.

CB

dgator783 · 08-03-2007, 03:32 AM

i think the picture quality was quite good...even for being an early release...ur setup?

CAB · 08-03-2007, 03:34 AM

I've watch 300 tonight and chased it with Casino Royale. I loved this movie (Blackhawk Down) when I bought it but I am so spoiled with the current releases that I have spoiled myself.

CB

Jack · 08-03-2007, 03:38 AM

I think BHD is picturewise very close (if not 99%) to the original master. Sure it's compressed with MPEG2, but with a high bitrate, and as a result there are no compression flwas. I really love the PQ of BHD and i don't think a AVC or VC-1 encode would show any difference to the exisitng MPEG2 encode. Ridley Scott made a stylistic decision to raise the contrast, change the colour palette and boost the black levels. This is all perfectly reproduced by the Blu-Ray transfer, without loosing detail or sharpness. The only reason for double dipping this movie for me would be of more extras and the "extended cut".

EDIT:
And i dont think Sony is starting a trend to remaster every MPEG2 encode. It's actually an attempt to deliver quality to releases, that were mastered quite bad and BHD is definitely not one of them

CAB · 08-03-2007, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack

I think BHD is picturewise very close (if not 99%) to the original master. Sure it's compressed with MPEG2, but with a high bitrate, and as a result there are no compression flwas. I really love the PQ of BHD and i don't think a AVC or VC-1 encode would show any difference to the exisitng MPEG2 encode. Ridley Scott made a stylistic decision to raise the contrast, change the colour palette and boost the black levels. This is all perfectly reproduced by the Blu-Ray transfer, without loosing detail or sharpness. The only reason for double dipping this movie for me would be of more extras and the "extended cut".

EDIT:
And i dont think Sony is starting a trend to remaster every MPEG2 encode. It's actually an attempt to deliver quality to releases, that were mastered quite bad and BHD is definitely not one of them

I did catch it in the theaters but maybe am not remembering correctly. I guess I'm just used to sharper edges. I do like the contrast as it helps set the tone for the mood of the movie.

CB

foots · 08-03-2007, 03:47 AM

BHD looks fantastic!!! What could they possibly do to make it better?

Blu-dock Saint · 08-03-2007, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by foots

BHD looks fantastic!!! What could they possibly do to make it better?

I thought this as well.

supersix4 · 08-03-2007, 05:02 AM

you just answered your own problem your trying to compare a war movie to a POTC type film ... I own both regular dvd, 3 disk box set dvd, and the blu-ray version destroyed and I mean LEVELED the dvd versions maybe its time you upgrade your tv if you think it didnt look good

sorry to tell you if your trying to compare 007, POTC to black hawk down it could be the highest quality encoding of any movie and you probly still wouldnt be happy the fact is they are very different movies

Gamma_Winstead · 08-03-2007, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by supersix14

you just answered your own problem your trying to compare a war movie to a POTC type film ... I own both regular dvd, 3 disk box set dvd, and the blu-ray version destroyed and I mean LEVELED the dvd versions maybe its time you upgrade your tv if you think it didnt look good

Here, here!

BStecke · 08-03-2007, 05:27 AM

I'm also in agreement that BHD looks great . . . many of Ridley Scott's (and Tony Scott's) movies have a visual style that's not "clean" looking. BHD is meant to be a little grainy and gritty, it was like that in the theater.

Blu-dock Saint · 08-03-2007, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BStecke

I'm also in agreement that BHD looks great . . . many of Ridley Scott's (and Tony Scott's) movies have a visual style that's not "clean" looking. BHD is meant to be a little grainy and gritty, it was like that in the theater.

Grainy like...........300? lol sorry had too, read about it too many times the past couple days......I like movies that were filmed with some grit to them, makes them feel more realistic to me.

BStecke · 08-03-2007, 05:32 AM

Yeah, I was trying NOT to go there

Stundra · 08-03-2007, 06:24 AM

PQ of BHD ist still one of the best, even POTC has little grain. I don't know why some people don't understand that grain is part of the picture if shot on classic film like bugs are part of microsoft software. The better the transfer the clearer you see grain or defects of the source material.
Those grain threats spread faster than plaque.

My BD:
POTC 1/2
CR
BHD
The Fifth Element (R)
Apocalypto
The Untouchables
Flags Of Our Fathers
Secret Window
Big Fish
Kingdom Of Heaven
Rocky
First Blood
Planet Earth
Stealth
Underworld Evolution
asm.

Canada · 08-03-2007, 06:56 AM

From what heard House of Flying Daggers had Atrocious video transfer I say they redo that. Sony showed a lot of class by offering a new free re-mastered version of The Fifth Element to people who bought the 25 gig disk.

Josh · 08-03-2007, 11:32 AM

BHD looks absolutely stunning. No complaints here.

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Originally Posted by Canada

From what heard House of Flying Daggers had Atrocious video transfer I say they redo that.

Paidgeek has said that the master is horrible and that no matter what they do, they can't make the film look any better on HD.

cawgijoe · 08-03-2007, 12:41 PM

BHD does not need to be re-done. It's PQ is awesome.

Also....I'm getting tired of people dissing the Mpeg 2 codec. Once and for all, ANY codec can be spectacular or horrible depending upon the original source and transfer. Don't blame the codec for the poor source or transfer.

goodstuff · 08-03-2007, 01:01 PM

Yep, BHD looks awesome to me. I don't want it glossed over.

elwaylite · 08-03-2007, 01:19 PM

BHD looks the way it did in the movies. Too many now want a shiny polished look. The good and bad thing about HD movies, youll see it how the director intended.

Like the grain in collateral, I love that.

Scorxpion · 08-03-2007, 01:36 PM

BHD is unbeatable and everytime i watched it i find it more beautiful than the last time.

Maybe because i notice why they said Beyond High Definition.

BHD is Gorgeous no Question about it

Branden · 08-03-2007, 01:38 PM

i'm holding off on getting BHD on BD right now, so i won't comment on PQ. i've already got the 153min extended cut DVD, but the BD is only the 144min cut. i find this somewhat dissappointing, why not include the extra 9 minutes?

08-03-2007, 03:26 AM	#1
CAB Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2007 Location:::1 4K collection:88 Blu-ray collection:1827 Trading Score:4	Do you, like me, want a Black Hawk Down re-master? Maybe Sony started a bad trend re-mastering and replacing but now I really want an updated Blackhawk Down. PCM sound is scary-good but, wow, could the PQ be much improved. Call me spoiled with the new transfers. All I can say is I'd hate to own HD-DVD and know that there is no hope for better. CB

08-03-2007, 03:38 AM	#4
Jack Active Member Member since:Jun 2007	I think BHD is picturewise very close (if not 99%) to the original master. Sure it's compressed with MPEG2, but with a high bitrate, and as a result there are no compression flwas. I really love the PQ of BHD and i don't think a AVC or VC-1 encode would show any difference to the exisitng MPEG2 encode. Ridley Scott made a stylistic decision to raise the contrast, change the colour palette and boost the black levels. This is all perfectly reproduced by the Blu-Ray transfer, without loosing detail or sharpness. The only reason for double dipping this movie for me would be of more extras and the "extended cut". EDIT: And i dont think Sony is starting a trend to remaster every MPEG2 encode. It's actually an attempt to deliver quality to releases, that were mastered quite bad and BHD is definitely not one of them Last edited by Jack; 08-03-2007 at 03:42 AM.

08-03-2007, 05:02 AM	#8
supersix4 Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:572 Blu-ray reviews: 53 Trading Score:3	you just answered your own problem your trying to compare a war movie to a POTC type film ... I own both regular dvd, 3 disk box set dvd, and the blu-ray version destroyed and I mean LEVELED the dvd versions maybe its time you upgrade your tv if you think it didnt look good sorry to tell you if your trying to compare 007, POTC to black hawk down it could be the highest quality encoding of any movie and you probly still wouldnt be happy the fact is they are very different movies Last edited by supersix4; 08-03-2007 at 05:06 AM.

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08-03-2007, 03:32 AM	#2
dgator783 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Lakeland,FL 4K collection:377 Blu-ray collection:1521 Blu-ray reviews:11 Trading Score:14	i think the picture quality was quite good...even for being an early release...ur setup?

08-03-2007, 03:34 AM	#3
CAB Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2007 Location:::1 4K collection:88 Blu-ray collection:1827 Trading Score:4	I've watch 300 tonight and chased it with Casino Royale. I loved this movie (Blackhawk Down) when I bought it but I am so spoiled with the current releases that I have spoiled myself. CB

08-03-2007, 03:47 AM	#6
foots Expert Member Member since:May 2007 Blu-ray collection:98 Trading Score:17	BHD looks fantastic!!! What could they possibly do to make it better?

08-03-2007, 05:27 AM	#10
BStecke Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:182 Blu-ray collection:567 DVD collection:1 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:6	I'm also in agreement that BHD looks great . . . many of Ridley Scott's (and Tony Scott's) movies have a visual style that's not "clean" looking. BHD is meant to be a little grainy and gritty, it was like that in the theater.

08-03-2007, 05:32 AM	#12
BStecke Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:182 Blu-ray collection:567 DVD collection:1 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:6	Yeah, I was trying NOT to go there

08-03-2007, 06:24 AM	#13
Stundra Active Member Member since:Jul 2006 Blu-ray reviews:1	PQ of BHD ist still one of the best, even POTC has little grain. I don't know why some people don't understand that grain is part of the picture if shot on classic film like bugs are part of microsoft software. The better the transfer the clearer you see grain or defects of the source material. Those grain threats spread faster than plaque. My BD: POTC 1/2 CR BHD The Fifth Element (R) Apocalypto The Untouchables Flags Of Our Fathers Secret Window Big Fish Kingdom Of Heaven Rocky First Blood Planet Earth Stealth Underworld Evolution asm.

08-03-2007, 06:56 AM	#14
Canada Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Victoria, BC Home Theater Gallery:17 4K collection:305 Blu-ray collection:1201 DVD collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:42	From what heard House of Flying Daggers had Atrocious video transfer I say they redo that. Sony showed a lot of class by offering a new free re-mastered version of The Fifth Element to people who bought the 25 gig disk.

08-03-2007, 12:41 PM	#16
cawgijoe Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Trading Score:1	BHD does not need to be re-done. It's PQ is awesome. Also....I'm getting tired of people dissing the Mpeg 2 codec. Once and for all, ANY codec can be spectacular or horrible depending upon the original source and transfer. Don't blame the codec for the poor source or transfer.

08-03-2007, 01:01 PM	#17
goodstuff Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Oct 2006 4K collection:509 Blu-ray collection:6535 Blu-ray reviews: 85 Trading Score:6	Yep, BHD looks awesome to me. I don't want it glossed over.

08-03-2007, 01:19 PM	#18
elwaylite Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2007	BHD looks the way it did in the movies. Too many now want a shiny polished look. The good and bad thing about HD movies, youll see it how the director intended. Like the grain in collateral, I love that.

08-03-2007, 01:36 PM	#19
Scorxpion Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Middle East,Lebanon Blu-ray collection:57	BHD is unbeatable and everytime i watched it i find it more beautiful than the last time. Maybe because i notice why they said Beyond High Definition. BHD is Gorgeous no Question about it

08-03-2007, 01:38 PM	#20
Branden Senior Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Calgary, Alberta 4K collection:28 Blu-ray collection:558	i'm holding off on getting BHD on BD right now, so i won't comment on PQ. i've already got the 153min extended cut DVD, but the BD is only the 144min cut. i find this somewhat dissappointing, why not include the extra 9 minutes?

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