Weird - "Mini-Blu-ray Disc Media Coming From Verbatim"

[Matt X]

check the comments, good points...

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8284

[calgarymarc]

Originally Posted by Matt X

check the comments, good points...

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8284

It isn't that weird. They are making new media which will be compatible for anything Blu-ray. Take the new 'Hitachi BD-compatible' HD-video recorder coming out soon. This camcorder utilizes this new media.
It will be very interesting to see future products that use this media!

Mini-BD anyone?

[goku3]

I think camcorders should be utilizing hard drives and not optical media because with hard drive based camcorders, you don't have to buy any blank media. Having mini bd in a camcorder will be the same as having mini dvd, which didn't become popular due to the high costs of blank media.

[WickyWoo]

Hard drives are not good in portable devices, specifically portable devices that may be dropped

Flash memory all the way

[Matt X]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Hard drives are not good in portable devices, specifically portable devices that may be dropped

Flash memory all the way

...that's the way I saw it, too, along w/above arguments re: physical recordable media. Flash capacity keeps getting better and better, and will be easier to work w/, esp. if I was gonna archive it in my shiny PS3!!!

[Ashplisken]

I wouldn't really say the reason that mini-dvd camcorders didn't catch on was media price, it was more that you could only fit a half hour of video on a single layer disc and an hour on a dual layer. This turns many people off to the concept. However, at the retail store I work at, mini-dvd camcorders are still the best selling camcorders we have, and HD camcorders are tanking. The problem is that a lot of people do not want to have to use their computer to grab the video from the camera and then have to burn it to dvd later. Many people still are not fully computer savvy and that scares them away. Mini-Blu brings a lot to the table, when you really think about it. Not only do you have an optical storage media that you can effectively store HD video recordings on, but if you are not recording in full HD, you can store much more on the disc, thus solving the biggest deterrent to mini-dvd. Regardless, Flash is the future, they just have to get it big enough. Chances are what will end up taking off will be a Flash memory camcorder with a blu-ray burner dock or a combo camcorder with flash memory and a Blu-ray drive built in so you can burn the media.

[Ender]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Hard drives are not good in portable devices, specifically portable devices that may be dropped

Flash memory all the way

My iPod disagrees with you.

[adnank77]

Flash technology still has some way to go before being able to support huge spaces .. I mean what would 16GB give u ?! useless space for HD Video Recording

[reiella]

Originally Posted by Ender

My iPod disagrees with you.

Heh, Liquid Crystal leaks are even worse for hard drives .

[takezo]

Originally Posted by goku3

I think camcorders should be utilizing hard drives and not optical media because with hard drive based camcorders, you don't have to buy any blank media. Having mini bd in a camcorder will be the same as having mini dvd, which didn't become popular due to the high costs of blank media.

"you don't have to buy blank media" Well that's the point right? I beileive mini disc recorders are quite popular as most advertised recorders are mini disc. Besides HDD types are not very user friendly to the non techie types. They don't know how to rip a movie and burn them on a disc. Sure their maybe easy drag in drop apps later in the future, but Mini discs are the ultimate in n00b friendly. It's no harder to use than a digital camera, but you can just pop disc into Blu-ray player and play it as any ordinary movie. It's for those people who were used to VHS camcorders of the early 90's.

Flash media has still some time to go before you see 8GB, but it will be no diffrent than HDD camcorders. Most still need to burn it. Mini disc recoders eliminate the rip to PC step.

[JAMCAS50]

Hi,

Sony have released the
HDRCX7K

its a hi definition handcam that records to memory stick.

a 4gb stick holds 30mins of HQ HD video

8gb sticks are available giving an hour of recording time

and 16gb sticks will probably be available early next year if memory stick is to keep up with other flash media

the beauty of this is that the mmory stick goes straight into the ps3
unlike the HD tapes handycams which have to be transferred at real time and the AVI files cant be played on the PS3 !!

Sony please bring out AVI support on the PS3 !



jamcas

[BluSmoke]

Not impressed honestly. 1 hr of recording only? I thought the mini discs were 16.5gb per layer?

[AV_Integrated]

Originally Posted by goku3

I think camcorders should be utilizing hard drives and not optical media because with hard drive based camcorders, you don't have to buy any blank media. Having mini bd in a camcorder will be the same as having mini dvd, which didn't become popular due to the high costs of blank media.

I have over 100 digital 8mm tapes. That works out to... how many hard drives?

Blank media is the best and proper way to record home video. You create a memory and then you can store it for viewing days, weeks, or years later as you want. If its on a hard drive, you must move it elsewhere before you can record more memories. On a long vacation, where you may shoot 10 or 20 hours (or more) of video, this is easy to do with recordable media, but with a hard drive you are in trouble.

Ditto with flash drives. I'm sorry, until 8GB is $2.00, then it isn't practical as a storage medium and it has the same product failings that a hard drive does unless you have a dozen available to you and are willing to dump the drives all the time to make room for more video.

Someday - when 8GB hits that $2.00 price point, then it will make a ton of sense, but right now, it's just not there.

Mini-BD is a great step up for what it offers right now.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by adnank77

Flash technology still has some way to go before being able to support huge spaces .. I mean what would 16GB give u ?! useless space for HD Video Recording

they are now upto 64 GB flash media though very expensive it is advanceing very fast.

http://gadgets.fosfor.se/64-gb-compa...h-from-samsung

if people want data flash memory

read this:

BOSTON — A new study that estimates how much digital information is zipping around (hint: a lot) finds that for the first time, there's not enough storage space to hold it all. Good thing we delete some stuff.

The report, assembled by the technology research firm IDC, sought to account for all the ones and zeros that make up photos, videos, e-mails, Web pages, instant messages, phone calls and other digital content cascading through our world today.

The researchers assumed that an average digital file gets replicated three times.

Add it all up and IDC determined that the world generated 161 billion gigabytes — 161 exabytes — of digital information last year.

"That's like 12 stacks of books that each reach from the Earth to the sun. Or you might think of it as 3 million times the information in all the books ever written, according to IDC. You'd need more than 2 billion of the most capacious iPods on the market to get 161 exabytes."

The previous best estimate came from researchers at the University of California, Berkeley, who totaled the globe's information production at 5 exabytes in 2003.

One of the sponsors of that report, data-storage company EMC Corp. (EMC), commissioned IDC's new look.

But the Berkeley researchers had taken a different trail. They also counted non-electronic information, such as analog radio broadcasts or printed office memos, and tallied how much space that would consume if digitized. And they examined original data only, not all the times things got copied.

In comparison, the IDC numbers ballooned with the inclusion of content as it was created and as it was reproduced — for example, as a digital TV file was made and every time it landed on a screen. If IDC tracked original data only, its result would have been 40 exabytes.

Two researchers who were not involved in the study said that because IDC used many of its own internal market analyses, the work will be hard to replicate and confirm. Those researchers, James Short and Roger Bohn of the University of California, San Diego, plan to use the Berkeley methods in a follow-up report.

Bohn said it would be wise to take IDC's figures "with a certain grain of salt," but he added: "I don't think the numbers are going to turn out to be wildly off target."

Considering that Berkeley's 2003 figure of 5 exabytes already was enormous — it was said at the time to be 37,000 Libraries of Congress — why does it matter how much more enormous the number is now?

For one thing, said IDC analyst John Gantz, it's important to understand the factors behind the information explosion.

Some of it is everyday stuff in this YouTube age — IDC estimates that by 2010, about 70 percent of the world's digital data will be created by individuals. For corporations, information is inflating from such disparate causes as surveillance cameras and data-retention regulations.

Perhaps most noteworthy is that the supply of data technically outstrips the supply of places to put it.

IDC estimates that the world had 185 exabytes of storage available last year and will have 601 exabytes in 2010. But the amount of stuff generated is expected to jump from 161 exabytes last year to 988 exabytes (closing in on 1 zettabyte) in 2010.

"If you had a run on the bank, you'd be in trouble," Gantz said. "If everybody stored every digital bit, there wouldn't be enough room."

Fortunately, storage space is not actually scarce and continues to get cheaper. That's because not everything gets warehoused.

Not only do e-mails get deleted, but some digital signals are not made to linger, like the contents of phone calls.

(Although, who's to say those conversations don't get catalogued someplace, perhaps the National Security Agency? The IDC researchers assumed the answer was no. "I don't want men in black coming to look for me," Gantz joked.)

But even if the IDC findings don't raise the prospect that disk drives will be virtually bursting at the seams, the study has intriguing implications.

Among them: We'll need better technologies to help secure, parse, find and recover usable material in this universe of data.

HOW DO THEY SOLVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS..

http://colossalstorage.net/home_diskdrive.htm

and blu-ray is just the start

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Matt X

check the comments, good points...

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8284

If they made a double layer one, it would have as much storage as a hd-dvd disc.