HDR Discussion Thread

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

I think you're right. Technicolour HDR is way, way too late now for a competitor to HLG to come along, even if it's better.

May I ask why do you say it's better than HLG? What real tangible benefits does it offer over HLG? Is "better SDR results" the only real one, if so who cares? I think that HLG's key strength of avoiding the need for major changes to broadcast equipment infrastructure is pretty much unbeatable and will be the driver.

Specifically the SL-HDR3 variant for broadcast use. It can add dynamic metadata on top but still use similar to HLG as a base for full backwards compatibility.

[DisplayCalNoob]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

It's always the same single person - John Archer - gleefully spreading this. I would say that "adamant" is too strong a word when put up against the lack of evidence. It's an anonymous person at Amazon, so no name or job title.

Is that really the way to launch a HDR format in the modern era? Claim repeatedly, always without proof, that you are using it, and then you won't even state on the record with a name or job title when asked for some simple proof?

Prevent ONE SINGLE DEMO from being available for two whole years?

What a joke.



For it to "stick" around, it has to be here first. Please let's not yet allow them to get away with the claim that it's here? It's in danger of becoming an "established" fact, just because it keeps being repeated

No-one consumer has ever seen HDR10+ from Amazon. We're all still waiting to see that HDR10+ label appear either on a TV's own Info, or inside the Amazon app, or both. We need that simple thing to happen FIRST

A admission, whether it's Samsung or Amazon about the failure of HDR10+, would be an admission of DV support, before they are prepared to announce.

Sony and LG had to jump aboard, as well as the film studios, Fox and very shortly WB just isn't enough to gain momentum.

My guess, would be that HDR10+ could become the format for small independent films.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by DisplayCalNoob

A admission, whether it's Samsung or Amazon about the failure of HDR10+, would be an admission of DV support, before they are prepared to announce.

Sony and LG had to jump aboard, as well as the film studios, Fox and very shortly WB just isn't enough to gain momentum.

My guess, would be that HDR10+ could become the format for small independent films.

Why did Disney take a step back and released Avengers IW in HDR10 and not in DV?

[peterv]

Originally Posted by DisplayCalNoob

My guess, would be that HDR10+ could become the format for small independent films.

Why wouldn’t small budget movies - made in the near future - be able to use DV if they want?

One might expect that as the format gets more widely used, DV user rights will become cheaper, no?

It seams to me that the format is at the moment really catching on with Apple and Sony onboard since 2017 and other hardware en software brands coming?

[LordoftheRings]

8K HDR is coming to Japan...TV broadcasting.
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[AdubW1982]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

8K HDR is coming to Japan...TV broadcasting.

You serious Clark?

[LordoftheRings]

Bound, name's James Bound.
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[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by peterv

Why wouldn’t small budget movies - made in the near future - be able to use DV if they want?

Can't link it now but there's a Cloverfield universe "fan" short that has both Dolby Vision and Atmos.


Nothing to prevent it. It's mainly up to the post house and a lot are Vision equipped.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by AdubW1982

You serious Clark?

I've seen NHK 8k broadcast demos at NAB and color me unimpressed.

Sure, it will help with GIANT front projection home systems (but who outside of the super rich will buy 8k projectors for their McMansions) as you limit viewing a visible pixel structure, but the actual image detail looks IMHO no better than good 4k.

Compression is still a problem. They may end up with better audio with 22.1 than Atmos on ATSC 3.0 with the possibility of fixed channel print-out Atmos tracks rather than object based to save bandwidth.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

8K HDR is coming to Japan...TV broadcasting.
• https://www.newsshooter.com/2018/08/...-december-1st/
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I’ve been saying it since last CES, OTT or OTA would lead the way with 4K and 8K content. As to FF’s comments, the more practice they get with this stuff now, the more improvements and refinements they will get in so that when us mere mortals can afford it or it’s available in our neighborhoods it will be amazing.

Maybe 12-bit displays and 4K nits will make it a little more amazing.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by gkolb

I’ve been saying it since last CES, OTT or OTA would lead the way with 4K and 8K content. As to FF’s comments, the more practice they get with this stuff now, the more improvements and refinements they will get in so that when us mere mortals can afford it or it’s available in our neighborhoods it will be amazing.

Maybe 12-bit displays and 4K nits will make it a little more amazing.

And yet here's the rub. They say all this extra stuff (12 bit, Rec 2020, more solid HDR), which was to have been included with 4k and was promised and has never shown up yet, will be included with 8k now.

And where will the 8k, Rec 2020 content come from? 2k, P3 upconverts, hmmm?

We're truly getting into ridiculous pie in the sky territory now, especially for any region outside of Japan's experimental channels.

They should just emphasize getting 4k as it should be. Leave 8k for the giant screen theaters.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Why did Disney take a step back and released Avengers IW in HDR10 and not in DV?

Cost vs return

[PaulGo]

When the TV manufactures offer a 8K TV they will offer a new revolutionary product that is not available on a 4K set - 3D!!!

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

And yet here's the rub. They say all this extra stuff (12 bit, Rec 2020, more solid HDR), which was to have been included with 4k and was promised and has never shown up yet, will be included with 8k now.

And where will the 8k, Rec 2020 content come from? 2k, P3 upconverts, hmmm?

We're truly getting into ridiculous pie in the sky territory now, especially for any region outside of Japan's experimental channels.

They should just emphasize getting 4k as it should be. Leave 8k for the giant screen theaters.

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[jibucha]

simple enough

• complete lack of commitment/intelligence
• (nothing more to say; that's printable)

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Why did Disney take a step back and released Avengers IW in HDR10 and not in DV?

[DisplayCalNoob]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Why did Disney take a step back and released Avengers IW in HDR10 and not in DV?

All we have is speculation, mine is Disney is to cheap to use BD- 100 disc.

[LordoftheRings]

Indefensible

[PaulGo]

Perhaps based on the number of DV Blu-ray players sold Disney did not feel the investment in producing a DV disc was worth it.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Perhaps based on the number of DV Blu-ray players sold Disney did not feel the investment in producing a DV disc was worth it.

If Lionsgate can sell UHDs with DV lower than $20 it's sure as hell not the money for licensing. They have the authoring tools.

[jibucha]

4K/8K (specifications)

• they are a container (range) not requirement, intended as a 'future-proofing' capability to evolve over time without the need for continuous standards improvement/inconveniences (never intended as an expected baseline implementation)
• content (it's already being filmed natively and some classic movies are digitally captured at the highest possible resolution)
• displays (from my understanding, 8K is intended for consumer displays - 65"/75"/85"/100" - not cinema, although certainly would be an additional benefit, were capable front projection available)
• ATSC 3.0 (4K/8K)? - - - intended as a 'future-proofing' implementation, that a gradual evolution is possible

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

And yet here's the rub. They say all this extra stuff (12 bit, Rec 2020, more solid HDR), which was to have been included with 4k and was promised and has never shown up yet, will be included with 8k now.

And where will the 8k, Rec 2020 content come from? 2k, P3 upconverts, hmmm?

We're truly getting into ridiculous pie in the sky territory now, especially for any region outside of Japan's experimental channels.

They should just emphasize getting 4k as it should be. Leave 8k for the giant screen theaters.