Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I know what you mean Steedeel, I like Movies in the 90 minute range as opposed to 2hrs or longer. I also like to watch things on YouTube, that are short Videos. Having said that, I don't think Movie watching will change much. I did see something at WalMart Movie Section on Marketing. They had the Packaging on Movies with DeadPool Character on other Movies like Alien and the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. In the back it said, I'd like to be in this Movie but I'm not. I guess they want to sell more Discs, because there was no Digital included.

I’m not talking about that, I’m talking about digital as a whole being fundamentally devastating for movie lovers. 5G won’t work as fixed broadband. Therefore, these mergers mean that these companies have a fundamentally committed to shifting people away from their tv and using mobile. That’s what I have been saying for years and now others are starting to think it also. Inevitable really when mobile companies own film and tv properties. The dreaded apocalypse is getting closer.

[JohnAV]

Perhaps this will help to understand the 5G dilemma with digital downloads.

Originally Posted by DisplayCalNoob

So if there is a push to digital, I wouldn't be surprised. 5G wireless technology is just around the corner with speeds exceeding some home implementation.

HDR has already gone mobile, shortly broadcast television will be in HDR. AT&T is currently installing fiber lines, they have laid off 240 Directv satellite technicians and several supervisors, where I worked for 8 years, in anticipation of the move from set top boxes. The entire entertainment industry is headed to streaming.

Really bought into the AT&T/Sprint 5G marketing haven’t you? Look your comparing 4G that operates at highest frequency of 2.5 GHz, where as 5G is operating at 28 GHz! Most people are clueless to what that entails, well as you go way higher in microwave frequency your propagation gets impaired by solid obstacles and takes exponentially more power to transmit for equivalent range. The best you could expect for 5G is about 1500 feet on a elevated antenna array, versus 3 to 10 miles for LTE depending on terrain and obstructions. I just see the wireless industry finally reaching a wall they can’t climb over.

Originally Posted by DisplayCalNoob

No, I don't watch much broadcast television. That's why I mentioned AT&T is installing fiber lines. They know and understand that a physical line is more reliable then any wireless tech.

At some point 5G will get better. I'm just hoping that content can be downloaded at some point with a similar compression ratio to disc. I prefer disc, disc for me is a guarantee that I will always access to movies I purchase.

Vudu and Vizio had recent issues that's been resolved with DV Profiles not matching, it's not something to worry about when you have physical copy.

The mobile providers are more interested in content being in short chunks then a larger file download as you are experienced. We learned that with AT&T's discussion with Time Warner. See AT&T wants to overhaul HBO, says it isn’t profitable enough - Ars Technica

HBO must compete with smartphones for people's attention, Stankey said in this exchange with Plepler:

"We need hours a day," Mr. Stankey said, referring to the time viewers spend watching HBO programs. "It's not hours a week, and it's not hours a month. We need hours a day. You are competing with devices that sit in people's hands that capture their attention every 15 minutes."

Continuing the theme, he added: "I want more hours of engagement. Why are more hours of engagement important? Because you get more data and information about a customer that then allows you to do things like monetize through alternate models of advertising as well as subscriptions, which I think is very important to play in tomorrow's world."

What these wireless companies want to do is not favor watching a HBO show that lasts an hour or more, but something that is shorter, like a chapter in a story. Kinda reminds me of how soaps operate on daytime TV. I think it's a fascinating tact to get people more addictive to cell phones and step further away from what you and me desire which is HDR based film content such as in movies. I just don't think as far as 5G being an equivalent of the internet via a wireless access point is ever going to be there. Instead it will be to customized/highly compressed content/text/messages/news because their subscriber base is sinking the cell tower ship as they struggle to stay afloat.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Perhaps this will help to understand the 5G dilemma with digital downloads.

Really bought into the AT&T/Sprint 5G marketing haven’t you? Look your comparing 4G that operates at highest frequency of 2.5 GHz, where as 5G is operating at 28 GHz! Most people are clueless to what that entails, well as you go way higher in microwave frequency your propagation gets impaired by solid obstacles and takes exponentially more power to transmit for equivalent range. The best you could expect for 5G is about 1500 feet on a elevated antenna array, versus 3 to 10 miles for LTE depending on terrain and obstructions. I just see the wireless industry finally reaching a wall they can’t climb over.

The mobile providers are more interested in content being in short chunks then a larger file download as you are experienced. We learned that with AT&T's discussion with Time Warner. See AT&T wants to overhaul HBO, says it isn’t profitable enough - Ars Technica



What these wireless companies want to do is not favor watching a HBO show that lasts an hour or more, but something that is shorter, like a chapter in a story. Kinda reminds me of how soaps operate on daytime TV. I think it's a fascinating tact to get people more addictive to cell phones and step further away from what you and me desire which is HDR based film content such as in movies. I just don't think as far as 5G being an equivalent of the internet via a wireless access point is ever going to be there. Instead it will be to customized/highly compressed content/text/messages/news because their subscriber base is sinking the cell tower ship as they struggle to stay afloat.

Just to be clear, you are suggesting these mergers with the likes of AT&T etc.. will mean we are force fed short form content at the expense of long form on a TV set? Do you believe (Like I do) that film itself is under threat and within th3 next 15-20 years) short form will kill off films in the home?

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Have a look at the HDR discussion thread. Another guy thinks the same as me about digital providers and wireless 5G being a way to force short form content down our throats and move us away from longer form such as films and long tv episodes.

People are starting to wake up, shouldn’t you guys?

There's also a lot of people convinced the earth is flat too, bro. Doesn't mean it is, and in your case doesn't mean your Digi-Nostradamus-ray predictions are coming to pass.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Groot

There's also a lot of people convinced the earth is flat too, bro. Doesn't mean it is, and in your case doesn't mean your Digi-Nostradamus-ray predictions are coming to pass.

All I am saying is others are noticing it too now. It’s not just the ramblings of a mad man like some think it is.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

All I am saying is others are noticing it too now. It’s not just the ramblings of a mad man like some think it is.

When you can give me a solid argument as to why they'd cut off a billion dollar industry I'll listen, otherwise you're a flat-earth level theorist.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Just to be clear, you are suggesting these mergers with the likes of AT&T etc.. will mean we are force fed short form content at the expense of long form on a TV set? Do you believe (Like I do) that film itself is under threat and within th3 next 15-20 years) short form will kill off films in the home?

Not exactly, AT&T is a unique example where a wireless company is getting its hooks into content such as Time Warner (that is if the appeal gets rejected)

Cell phone companies normally can't control content. But to offer like daytime soap opera digital streams (show is like 20 mins to 10 mins of commercials) is getting quite far from the typical content HBO produces. They wanted to maximize profitability at the decrement of digital film quality.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Groot

When you can give me a solid argument as to why they'd cut off a billion dollar industry I'll listen, otherwise you're a flat-earth level theorist.

A billion? Think bigger:

"The U.S. filmed entertainment industry encompasses films, movie theaters, TV subscriptions and electronic home video production, and distribution and consumption. Box office receipts reached just over $11 billion in 2017 (this figure includes cinema advertising earnings of $881 million), and home video reached $107.9 billion in 2017. The United States has a mature TV market and television subscriptions will remain static at $100.8 billion through 2018.

https://www.selectusa.gov/media-ente...-united-states

Long form content is doing just fine.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

All I am saying is others are noticing it too now. It’s not just the ramblings of a mad man like some think it is.

"Others" have been predicting the demise of the cd, the dvd, blu-rays, and physical media in general for several years now. Yet, physical media remains with a new format to boot.

So, yes, multiple people can be wrong and these in particular have been wrong for many years.

A new type of short form content will not hurt movies or traditional length TV shows and there is zero chance (my confident prediction) that it will kill off long form content (or big screen displays). It is just another way to enjoy creative content, another item on our entertainment menu.

All of these "the end is near" and "the sky is falling" doomsday predictions belong in the dubious at best realm of the conspiracy theorist. There is no evidence indicating that long form content is in any danger, just fear.

And we all know that fear is the mind killer.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I’m not talking about that, I’m talking about digital as a whole being fundamentally devastating for movie lovers. 5G won’t work as fixed broadband. Therefore, these mergers mean that these companies have a fundamentally committed to shifting people away from their tv and using mobile. That’s what I have been saying for years and now others are starting to think it also. Inevitable really when mobile companies own film and tv properties. The dreaded apocalypse is getting closer.

Evolution took thousands of years, but Dinosaurs are not around anymore. Things change the old fades away, and the new comes in. The only difference is that Evolution makes things better. We might go back in time a little, but we always correct and go forward. Everything going Mobile is not going to happen!

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Vilya

A billion? Think bigger:

"The U.S. filmed entertainment industry encompasses films, movie theaters, TV subscriptions and electronic home video production, and distribution and consumption. Box office receipts reached just over $11 billion in 2017 (this figure includes cinema advertising earnings of $881 million), and home video reached $107.9 billion in 2017. The United States has a mature TV market and television subscriptions will remain static at $100.8 billion through 2018.

https://www.selectusa.gov/media-ente...-united-states

Long form content is doing just fine.

Um, that’s exactly what I meant. I don’t need a specific number to define a “billion dollar industry”.

But okay.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Groot

Um, that’s exactly what I meant. I don’t need a specific number to define a “billion dollar industry”.

But okay.

I was just trying to show that the industry is very, very lucrative and to provide more of an actual perspective as to just how gigantic this industry really is in more precise numbers as some here seem to think the industry is a fragile little thing.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Evolution took thousands of years, but Dinosaurs are not around anymore. Things change the old fades away, and the new comes in. The only difference is that Evolution makes things better. We might go back in time a little, but we always correct and go forward. Everything going Mobile is not going to happen!

You think because the phone companies morphed into wireless providers they're not dinosaurs?

Sprint traces its origins to the Brown Telephone Company, which was founded in 1899 to bring telephone service to the rural area around Abilene.

AT&T began its history as Southwestern Bell Telephone Company, a subsidiary of the Bell Telephone Company, founded by Alexander Graham Bell in 1880. The Bell Telephone Company evolved into American Telephone and Telegraph Company in 1885, which later rebranded as AT&T Corporation.

One of the seven Baby Bells, Bell Atlantic,[7] came into existence in 1984 consisting of the separate operating companies New Jersey Bell, Bell of Pennsylvania, Diamond State Telephone, and C&P Telephone, with a footprint from New Jersey to Virginia. As part of a rebranding of the Baby Bells in the mid-1990s, all of Bell Atlantic's operating companies assumed the holding company's name. In 1997, Bell Atlantic expanded into New York and the New England states by merging with fellow Baby Bell NYNEX. Although Bell Atlantic was the surviving company name, the merged company moved its headquarters from Philadelphia to NYNEX's old headquarters in New York City. In 2000, Bell Atlantic acquired GTE, which operated telecommunications companies across most of the rest of the country that was not already in Bell Atlantic's footprint. Bell Atlantic, the surviving entity, changed its name to "Verizon", a portmanteau of veritas (Latin for "truth") and horizon

T-Mobile parent is Deutsche Telekom whose history is based as part of Deutsche Bundespost was the federal German government postal administration created in 1947 as a successor to the Reichspost. It was also the major telephone company in West Germany.

One thing I would enjoy is less of their commercials on OTA television.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Evolution took thousands of years, but Dinosaurs are not around anymore. Things change the old fades away, and the new comes in. The only difference is that Evolution makes things better. We might go back in time a little, but we always correct and go forward. Everything going Mobile is not going to happen!

Lasting evolution takes closer to one million years.

"Across a broad range of species, the research found that for a major change to persist and for changes to accumulate, it took about one million years. The researchers wrote that this occurred repeatedly in a "remarkably consistent pattern."

https://phys.org/news/2011-08-fast-e...ion-years.html

Dinosaurs did not disappear due to evolution, but due to just bad luck. It is widely believed that a mass extinction event occurred 66 million years ago due to a massive asteroid, or comet, impacting the Earth:

"The Cretaceous–Paleogene (K–Pg) extinction event, also known as the Cretaceous–Tertiary (K–T) extinction, was a sudden mass extinction of some three-quarters of the plant and animal species on Earth, approximately 66 million years ago."[

"As originally proposed in 1980 by a team of scientists led by Luis Alvarez and his son Walter Alvarez, it is now generally thought that the K–Pg extinction was caused by the impact of a massive comet or asteroid 10 to 15 km (6.2 to 9.3 mi) wide, 66 million years ago, which devastated the global environment, mainly through a lingering impact winter which halted photosynthesis in plants and plankton."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretac...tinction_event

The evolution of home entertainment technology and changes in consumer trends are not really analogous to the fate of the dinosaur.

I actually agree with your last sentence and the prediction contained therein. We agree on something; wonders never cease! Pigs have wings and they are flying- there's some evolution for ya'!

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

All I am saying is others are noticing it too now. It’s not just the ramblings of a mad man like some think it is.

So now you're talking 5G when just yesterday you were talking 480/720 hdr() and recently said SD is the future.

Ramblings of a mad man in my book.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

You think because the phone companies morphed into wireless providers they're not dinosaurs?

Originally Posted by Vilya

Lasting evolution takes closer to one million years.

The evolution of home entertainment technology and changes in consumer trends are not really analogous to the fate of the dinosaur.

You don't have to tell me about Phone Companies I Retired from one. They never just wanted to be a "Dumb Pipe."

As for the Dinosaurs being wiped out by an asteroid, you're correct but they were already on the way out. Just like the CD Asteroid wiped out the Cassettes, Technology waits for no one. The only thing is that it fades away, you really never see it coming until it's too late!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You don't have to tell me about Phone Companies I Retired from one. They never just wanted to be a "Dumb Pipe."

As for the Dinosaurs being wiped out by an asteroid, you're correct but they were already on the way out. Just like the CD Asteroid wiped out the Cassettes, Technology waits for no one. The only thing is that it fades away, you really never see it coming until it's too late!

I am not sure about how the dinosaurs were doing just before the asteroid strike, but I am pretty sure no one was around to predict it ahead of time.

They still make and sell cassettes, including recent releases, so not exactly accurate there. I'm not saying they are a big seller, but they are not "wiped out," either.

With so many clairvoyants posting on these very forums with their predictions of the utter end of all matter of things, how can any fate escape their all seeing oracle eyes?

https://tapeheadcity.com/collections/new-releases

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I am not sure about how the dinosaurs were doing just before the asteroid strike, but I am pretty sure no one was around to predict it ahead of time.

They still make and sell cassettes, including recent releases, so not exactly accurate there. I'm not saying they are a big seller, but they are not "wiped out," either.

With so many clairvoyants posting on these very forums with their predictions of the utter end of all matter of things, how can any fate escape their all seeing oracle eyes?

https://tapeheadcity.com/collections/new-releases

You do realise the title of the thread includes ‘and the future’. It’s a bit hard to talk about opinions in those matters without talking about the future!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

So now you're talking 5G when just yesterday you were talking 480/720 hdr() and recently said SD is the future.

Ramblings of a mad man in my book.

5G is irrelevant to resolutions. It’s just another connection. I would think a 5G mobile future would be SD anyway or maybe 720p (low bitrate)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I was just trying to show that the industry is very, very lucrative and to provide more of an actual perspective as to just how gigantic this industry really is in more precise numbers as some here seem to think the industry is a fragile little thing.

But short form, premium content would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper and that will be the driving force behind many companies taking this route, Netflix, Amazon, HBO, Sky, Disney etc.