Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Groot

I watch stuff when I want so buying it is a good option. If it disappears in some future time that’s okay.

Lost for words for once.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Excuse me but i think thats barmy.

Excuse me for living in the now and not worrying about a future that may or may not come to pass and enjoying the conveniences of digital.

[Jumpman]

A small incident gets blown WAY out of proportion by the physical media only zealots. ��

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Groot

I watch stuff when I want so buying it is a good option. If it disappears in some future time that’s okay.

It is a healthy attitude to not be overly attached to one's purchases.

Even so, I do expect a measure of permanence with my movie purchases and I would be highly annoyed if any of them simply disappeared from my collection. If I were then met with a cavalier attitude from the party responsible for that removal, then I would get angry.

I prefer the low stress of your outlook, though.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It is a healthy attitude to not be overly attached to one's purchases.

Even so, I do expect a measure of permanence with my movie purchases and I would be highly annoyed if any of them simply disappeared from my collection. If I were then met with a cavalier attitude from the party responsible for that removal, then I would get angry.

I prefer the low stress of your outlook, though.

I got personal stuff I’d care if I lost, but insignificant stuff like digital copies or music or whatever isn’t something I can’t easily replace. I’d set my entire disc collection on fire if it meant having my grandma back, even for a day, so nah I don’t value this stuff deeply nor find enjoying digital a problem. I love film, but the effort to complain to Apple over the loss of one or two items isn’t worth my time when I could easily find it again or just accept it as gone.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

A small incident gets blown WAY out of proportion by the physical media only zealots. ��

Thankfully, we also have digital zealots to help keep this news in perspective. That wasn't sarcasm, either.

As this affects digital customers, it is important to hear from them and how they feel about this news.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Groot

I got personal stuff I’d care if I lost, but insignificant stuff like digital copies or music or whatever isn’t something I can’t easily replace.

You are a dream customer for the industry. Prepared to spend but not bothered about getting ripped off.

Also who says it is limited to one item.

Your other point is true but we would all feel that way about loved ones, stilk doesnt mean we dont care about our material possesions.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

A small incident gets blown WAY out of proportion by the physical media only zealots. ��

Hardly. I dont think you realise how big this is in terms of ownership.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are a dream customer for the industry. Prepared to spend but not bothered about getting ripped off.

Value. That’s what you’re not getting from my side. If I watch a movie a few times and ten years down the road it disappears, do I feel like I got my $20 worth? Sure. I pay more to see it a single time in theaters. That’s okay with me. I do not feel I’m being ripped off.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Groot

[Show spoiler]

I got personal stuff I’d care if I lost, but insignificant stuff like digital copies or music or whatever isn’t something I can’t easily replace. I’d set my entire disc collection on fire if it meant having my grandma back, even for a day, so nah I don’t value this stuff deeply nor find enjoying digital a problem. I love film, but the effort to complain to Apple over the loss of one or two items isn’t worth my time when I could easily find it again or just accept it as gone.

If I could only save a single thing from my home, other than myself, it would be my silly, adorable, one-eyed cancer survivor kitty. Everything else could burn. As much as I love my movie hobby, I can differentiate between what is truly important and what is not.

I really like that movie quote, also. It reminds me of the Janis Joplin classic Me and Bobby McGee:

"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
Nothin', don't mean nothin' hon' if it ain't free, no no
And, feelin' good was easy, Lord, when he sang the blues
You know, feelin' good was good enough for me
Good enough for me and my Bobby McGee"

[Jumpman]

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/column...8jPZXk.twitter

Just sort of seems like the physical media zealots have been waiting for this day and here it is. Think pieces are just popping up everywhere.

Good luck to everyone trying to house 150,000,000 discs.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Your other point is true but we would all feel that way about loved ones, stilk doesnt mean we dont care about our material possesions.

Clarity. If losing it for one reason doesn't cause me distress, a minor/insignificant amount shouldn't harbor stress/anger/worry either.


“Realize deeply that the present moment is all you ever have” - Eckhart Tolle

You have spent hours worrying about the future of an inanimate object, which is fine spend your time how you wish, but don't you think you'd be better served just buying your movies, enjoying them, and not getting attached to what they may be next? Maybe it's 8K? VR? Holograms? Digital Only? Enjoy the experience of the film, not lost in the package it came in.

But that's just me.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/column...8jPZXk.twitter

Just sort of seems like the physical media zealots have been waiting for this day and here it is. Think pieces are just popping up everywhere.

Good luck to everyone trying to house 150,000,000 discs.

If I could afford 150,000,000 discs then I'm sure I could afford to store them.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Groot

I got personal stuff I’d care if I lost, but insignificant stuff like digital copies or music or whatever isn’t something I can’t easily replace. I’d set my entire disc collection on fire if it meant having my grandma back, even for a day, so nah I don’t value this stuff deeply nor find enjoying digital a problem. I love film, but the effort to complain to Apple over the loss of one or two items isn’t worth my time when I could easily find it again or just accept it as gone.

Nice quote. I obviously love that movie in case you couldn't tell. Tyler speaks truth.

I am not overly attached to my collection. It's nice to have since I love film, but my world wouldn't end if I lost it or pretty much any material possession.

And I don't stress over losing any of my movies. I've sold or lost many over the years.

If digital works for you, that's awesome. But if I choose to spend my money to purchase something, I should be the one to decide whether or not I have access to it.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Ender14

If I could afford 150,000,000 discs then I'm sure I could afford to store them.

Yeeeeee.

I've seen some hard core vinyl record collectors have massive storage buildings full of crates. I'm sure if you're that deep into movies you could afford a temperature controlled building.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/column...8jPZXk.twitter

Just sort of seems like the physical media zealots have been waiting for this day and here it is. Think pieces are just popping up everywhere.

Good luck to everyone trying to house 150,000,000 discs.

As I said before, I am not happy to see anyone lose something that they paid their money to obtain. I empathize with this person's frustration.

I have a moderate sized collection, compared to some, and storage is not a problem. Nearly everyone I know has a lot of something- you really discover this when you have to settle an estate. In my case, that "something" are movies.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Nice quote. I obviously love that movie in case you couldn't tell. Tyler speaks truth.

I am not overly attached to my collection. It's nice to have since I love film, but my world wouldn't end if I lost it or pretty much any material possession.

And I don't stress over losing any of my movies. I've sold or lost many over the years.

If digital works for you, that's awesome. But if I choose to spend my money to purchase something, I should be the one to decide whether or not I have access to it.

Oh, I agree that it would suck for stuff to get pulled. I'm not saying that. All I'm going with is if before it got MIB'd from my collection that I got my monies worth, I'm not going to dwell on it or demand compensation.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

This is exactly why I don't buy movies or TV shows digitally. At best I may redeem digital copies that come with discs to use when it is convenient, with me viewing those as nice little bonus options for however long they may last.

While I do care about Video and Audio quality and will opt for Blu-Ray and 4K combo packs over a regular DVD, control over and access to the copies that I buy is the more important issue. This is why if forced to choose between buying either a DVD of a movie or a 4K digital download/stream (with no other physical options in this hypothetical scenario), I would go with the DVD without hesitation.

And, as was discussed briefly earlier in the thread, having recently discovered how nicely my 4K player upscales DVDs, while it is of course not the full quality of a Blu-Ray or 4K disc, it did a pretty impressive job overall, making artificats (that were noticeable when using my previous regular Blu-ray player) difficult to see, and making it easy to forget that I was even watching a DVD.

The the same movie in this hypothetical scenario were to end up on Netflix or through one of my cable channels at a higher quality and I were in the mood to watch it, then of course I would opt for that while available. But if the movie isn't available through any of those services, then I would stick with the DVD.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Groot

Clarity. If losing it for one reason doesn't cause me distress, a minor/insignificant amount shouldn't harbor stress/anger/worry either.


“Realize deeply that the present moment is all you ever have” - Eckhart Tolle

You have spent hours worrying about the future of an inanimate object, which is fine spend your time how you wish, but don't you think you'd be better served just buying your movies, enjoying them, and not getting attached to what they may be next? Maybe it's 8K? VR? Holograms? Digital Only? Enjoy the experience of the film, not lost in the package it came in.

But that's just me.

Another great quote.

I admire several aspects of your attitude, but I still care passionately about my library. Access to it, as Ender14 pointed out, must remain my decision, not that of any studio, content provider, or our latest euphemism: storefront.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Another great quote.

I admire several aspects of your attitude, but I still care passionately about my library. Access to it, as Ender14 pointed out, must remain my decision, not that of any studio, content provider, or our latest euphemism: storefront.

Thank you for the kindness.

I obviously care about "stuff" or I wouldn't buy the dumb stuff I do to get enjoyment out of. I'm pretty positive my perspective is very much influenced by seeing death and evil done by others to me or loved ones that I can have a sense of detachment in the view of not worrying about losing non-priority items. Do I waste an hour or more complaining to Apple about a $10 item or do I value my time (and patience) more that I just buy the $10 item again elsewhere?

This isn't a blanket approach to everything, but for fleeting entertainment I don't find the need to be possessive over it. I have movies I bought 10-15 years ago (and longer) that I've not touched since that time. Sure they're "there" should I want to watch them, but time has shown the chances of revisiting everything are very, very slim and if they vanished, I wouldn't even notice. Just an entire fluidity thing to personality, what you like at the time, how much you got from it, etc.

I sound like a Movie Buddhist.

In truth, I think a lot of buyers of media are like that in the sense of continued or new interests and lack of revisiting movies (classics/outliers aside).