Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by SonSon III

I’ve noticed a common trend of people complaining about excessive grain these days. (Not specifically pointing fingers at the above poster or implying that they were saying it was necessarily bad)

What happened to the good ol’ days of the HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray format war when it was common knowledge & everyone understood that film grain litterally is detail?

Actually, I don't think it largely sunk into the HT masses until after the first version of Patton was released on BD. That triggered the larger discussion and education especially by people like RAH.

However, if you don't keep "teaching", then old flawed thinking returns and I think has happened again. In other words, DNR was defeated (for the most part) and the success of quality Blu-rays quieted the DNR discussion for several years. So that success was also part failure given what we are now seeing.

A new format is release and low and behold, it rears its ugly head again requiring new/more education. However, I'm finding a lot of UHD BD owners who complain about film grain a hell of a lot more stubborn compared to the first people getting into BD 10 years ago.

[Jack A]

So they screwed up the audio again, having the added effects? Obviously, they're planning on another re-release.

[Fendergopher]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Actually, I don't think it largely sunk into the HT masses until after the first version of Patton was released on BD. That triggered the larger discussion and education especially by people like RAH.

However, if you don't keep "teaching", then old flawed thinking returns and I think has happened again. In other words, DNR was defeated (for the most part) and the success of quality Blu-rays quieted the DNR discussion for several years. So that success was also part failure given what we are now seeing.

A new format is release and low and behold, it rears its ugly head again requiring new/more education. However, I'm finding a lot of UHD BD owners who complain about film grain a hell of a lot more stubborn compared to the first people getting into BD 10 years ago.

Some of that probably comes down to UHD being able to render the grain more precisely than regular BD, so grain heavy films can potentially look "more grainy" than before. Though there are also those who dislike grain for no other reason than the fact that it's grain, or they consider it the same as digital noise.

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by Alhlan Ain Ajeeba

5 stars for a big reason. If this movie was never made,we would never have the Friday the 13ths,the nightmare on elm streets,and tons of slasher films as we know the. Halloween is their grand dad.

I’d argue it’s more like the dad, with A Bay of Blood being the granddad (and Black Christmas being the mom).

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Fendergopher

Some of that probably comes down to UHD being able to render the grain more precisely than regular BD, so grain heavy films can potentially look "more grainy" than before. Though there are also those who dislike grain for no other reason than the fact that it's grain, or they consider it the same as digital noise.

I've gotten into debates over at AVS about this. Many equate film grain with audio hiss....they use that analogy. They want it gone from everything they watch (no matter the film) once and for all.

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I've gotten into debates over at AVS about this. Many equate film grain with audio hiss.

Good lord

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

Good lord

Oh there are worse comments than that over there.

I tried to explain how some filmmakers actually add grain to some digitally filmed movies for a certain aesthetic look. I was told I was full of sh*t and that no filmmaker on the planet would do that. A certain crowd over there is long gone...no hope at all actually.

[RedZeppelin]

My order from Best Buy was just delivered. Can't wait to have a look.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Many equate film grain with audio hiss....they use that analogy.

That seems to me an excellent analogy. They're both artifacts of the recording medium that vary in intensity with the recorded content's relative signal strength and constitute/mask a part of that recording. They are essentially out of the control of the content maker/recorder.

I don't really see where that analogy fails. We may have different subjective reactions to their aesthetic contributions to the art (and thus different opinions about what should be done to/about them) but, from a technical viewpoint at least, the analogy seems perfectly apt to me.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by SonSon III

I’ve noticed a common trend of people complaining about excessive grain these days. (Not specifically pointing fingers at the above poster or implying that they were saying it was necessarily bad)

What happened to the good ol’ days of the HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray format war when it was common knowledge & everyone understood that film grain literally is detail?

The thing with HDR is that the tonemapping on lower nit sets (like popular OLED displays and projectors) can cause overpronounced grain with the more grainy films, meaning grain to excess beyond what is normally on display for the film stock the film was shot on. And this excess may look like noise for some. This is also one reason why some studios are selectively applying DNR to some of their releases.

Thats not to say DNR is a good choice but on the other hand the excess grain complaints may be valid for what some are seeing on lower nit displays.

[Q-Tip]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

I’d argue it’s more like the dad, with A Bay of Blood being the granddad (and Black Christmas being the mom).

If you ask me, Peeping Tom and Psycho are more like the Grandparents to all the slasher films.

[Blu Myers]

Originally Posted by GasmaskAvenger

Went over to a Target that had it, asked a worker at the Tech department and...voila!



Got mine two days before release with no problem.

Thanks for this! My Target shows that it's in stock, so heading over after work!

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I've gotten into debates over at AVS about this. Many equate film grain with audio hiss....they use that analogy. They want it gone from everything they watch (no matter the film) once and for all.

[brian9229]

6 reasons why film is better than digital.

https://relay.nationalgeographic.com...r-than-digital

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

That seems to me an excellent analogy. They're both artifacts of the recording medium that vary in intensity with the recorded content's relative signal strength and constitute/mask a part of that recording. They are essentially out of the control of the content maker/recorder.

I don't really see where that analogy fails. We may have different subjective reactions to their aesthetic contributions to the art (and thus different opinions about what should be done to/about them) but, from a technical viewpoint at least, the analogy seems perfectly apt to me.

Grain makes up the actual texture of analog film. The detail is in it.

That is not the case with audio hiss. There is nothing in it.

Grain in not artifact in that sense.

Sure, we all have preferences, but just sayin'.

[HeavyHitter]

The thing is these people can just use the DNR settings on their player and display to wipe out all of the grain they want.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by brian9229

6 reasons why film is better than digital.

How many reasons do you have for why an apple is better than an orange?

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by Q-Tip

If you ask me, Peeping Tom and Psycho are more like the Grandparents to all the slasher films.

Perhaps, but I’d say those are more thrillers with early slasher elements, whereas ABOB could flat-out be called a slasher (proto as it may be).

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Grain makes up the actual texture of analog film. The detail is in it.

That is not the case with audio hiss. There is nothing in it.

Grain in not artifact in that sense.

Sure, we all have preferences, but just sayin'.

In a photochemical sense, this is entirely accurate. However, when we casually talk about grain, we're not talking about the textural constitution of the entire film image; we're talking about the aspect of that grain texture that is visible to the eye as we watch the film. That aspect is visible precisely because it is an artifact and causes a distortion of the photographed subject...

... just like audio hiss.*



* hiss is also just the part of the recording that we can identify as divergent from the captured source- just like film, an audio recording captures a larger spectrum that includes and constitutes "the actual texture" of the recording, but when we speak of hiss we're only talking about the part that our ears can tell is not original to the recorded subject

[y2jman]

Boo mt julliet store didn't have this in early
Hopefully Walmart will tomorrow meh