Lucasfilm Discussion Thread

[car2nst]

Originally Posted by Aclea

And months of fun as all the 'disgusted alienated fans' who were adamant that Disney were so embarrassed by KK raping their childhoods and destroying the franchise that they had fired her - FACT!!! - and that anyone who didn't believe it was in denial will tie themselves up in knots to explain how no, they really hadn't got it wrong all along actually and this doesn't mean anything.

You people DO realize that she can still get canned or "step down" in this 3 year extension right? She may or may not...only time will tell with Ep. 9's earnings. Seems like the people poking fun at the "haters" have blown their celebratory wad too early as well. A lot can happen in 3 years..good or bad, just like 2 years ago no one thought Gunn would have gotten canned, regardless if you agreed with it or not.

[CelluloidPal]

Originally Posted by car2nst

LOL. Star Trek & Star Wars will never die. Both are great franchises with their own strengths & their own flaws. Where Star Wars is more pop culture, Star Trek has influenced our culture & technology more. I like both but personally I'd take Trek ANY day of the week

True but IMO the new Star Wars movies past Revenge of the Sith feels more like quick, hollow cash grabs since Disney bought Lucasfilm and nothing more.
They're gonna milk that cow until it's bone dry.
As for Star Trek, though more a casual fan, those Bad Robot Trek movies have lost its luster but then again, the franchise IMO, is running on fumes.

[Martoto]

Ah. So it's too early to qualify TLJ as a success off the back of its continued favourable performance in the midst of a supposed watershed of "public opinion". But perfectly fine to declare that it's a catalyst of future failures. Of course.

[car2nst]

Originally Posted by CelluloidPal

True but IMO the new Star Wars movies past Revenge of the Sith feels more like quick, hollow cash grabs since Disney bought Lucasfilm and nothing more.
They're gonna milk that cow until it's bone dry.
As for Star Trek, though more a casual fan, those Bad Robot Trek movies have lost its luster but then again, the franchise IMO, is running on fumes.

I can see that...I just meant the spirit of the franchises in the cultural perception. Everyone has different tastes for each franchise but I can say for example my Dad grew up watching the original Star Trek series airings on TV as a kid & has been a Star Trek fan ever since & loved all the shows & movies (even the JJ Abrams) Some life long fans hate the new ones (even with Star Wars) & some love them all. Hollywood milks the cow out of everything...hence why we have 5 or 6 Sharknados...lol. Star Wars may have a huge mythos & lore with it's characters but Star Trek has always had a meaning in it's stories...ie. racial tolerance, morality & ethics, etc. Star Wars would be more action & adventure & Star Trek is more thought provoking to me.

[car2nst]

Originally Posted by Martoto

Ah. So it's too early to qualify TLJ as a success off the back of its continued favourable performance in the midst of a supposed watershed of "public opinion". But perfectly fine to declare that it's a catalyst of future failures. Of course.

Well...Solo already has been out & flopped so that is a good starting point for that thesis. If Ep 9 tanks that will further add to it. As I mentioned before only time will tell...

People throw around the "sales" of the home video market as it that actually means anything. Break it down...how many people buy multiple copies/versions/exclusives to "collect" for collecting sake? How many people gobble up dozens of copies to sell on ebay? (who just want to make money & don't care either way if they liked the movie or not)How many people bough the movie that never saw it before & hated it? (or loved it) how many people but copies as gifts for someone else? (who may or may not like the movie) this really applies to any movie to be honest, but proves my point that Blu Ray sales really don't determine if "said" movie was actually good.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by car2nst

You people DO realize that she can still get canned or "step down" in this 3 year extension right? She may or may not...only time will tell with Ep. 9's earnings. Seems like the people poking fun at the "haters" have blown their celebratory wad too early as well. A lot can happen in 3 years..good or bad, just like 2 years ago no one thought Gunn would have gotten canned, regardless if you agreed with it or not.

Correct. She might get hit by a bus. Or become ill. Then everyone mocking the haters for being certain that Kennedy would/should soon be receiving the opposite of the vote of confidence she's just received will feel quite foolish.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by car2nst

Well...Solo already has been out & flopped so that is a good starting point for that thesis. If Ep 9 tanks that will further add to it. As I mentioned before only time will tell...

People throw around the "sales" of the home video market as it that actually means anything. Break it down...how many people buy multiple copies/versions/exclusives to "collect" for collecting sake? How many people gobble up dozens of copies to sell on ebay? (who just want to make money & don't care either way if they liked the movie or not)How many people bough the movie that never saw it before & hated it? (or loved it) how many people but copies as gifts for someone else? (who may or may not like the movie) this really applies to any movie to be honest, but proves my point that Blu Ray sales really don't determine if "said" movie was actually good.

By the exact same token, Solo's sales, theatrical and home release, can't be used to determine that said movie or the preceding release was no good or even generally perceived so.

And since we're being told that "public" division is supposed to have been generated by TLJ, how does the public rushing out to buy it as a gift for people that don't want it fit into that?

[car2nst]

Originally Posted by Martoto

Correct. She might get hit by a bus. Or become ill. Then everyone mocking the haters for being certain that Kennedy would/should soon be receiving the opposite of the vote of confidence she's just received will feel quote foolish.

Or she could have decade long controversial twitter posts uncovered that are still posted & get fired to..

[Aclea]

Originally Posted by car2nst

You people DO realize that she can still get canned or "step down" in this 3 year extension right? She may or may not...only time will tell with Ep. 9's earnings. Seems like the people poking fun at the "haters" have blown their celebratory wad too early as well. A lot can happen in 3 years..good or bad, just like 2 years ago no one thought Gunn would have gotten canned, regardless if you agreed with it or not.

And it begins...

[car2nst]

Originally Posted by Martoto

By the exact same token, Solo's sales, theatrical and home release, can't be used to determine that said movie or the preceding release was no good or even generally perceived so.

And since we're being told that "public" division is supposed to have been generated by TLJ, how does the public rushing out to buy it as a gift for people that don't want it fit into that?

Solo sales #'s for the home release arent even out yet...as it JUST came out 5 days ago...SMH

Not EVERYONE who buys movies as gifts have seen (or liked) the movies themselves. Please take a moment & put your beloved thoughts down for a moment & think logically & use some common sense. I just brought a lot of real world, true & vaild examples into the light...something both sides have really not considered.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by car2nst

Or she could have decade long controversial twitter posts uncovered that are still posted & get fired to..

Yeah. Without inappropriately using the exact scenario that has done for Gunn,.it being inappropriate due to Kennedy being a corporate officer for decades and unlikely to have had the liberty to publish comments that members of the public would wish to exploit in order to satisfy their own moral sensibilities and have zero connection with their work's performance or reception, I was pointing our that bad luck can befall anyone. It will still have zero to do with how good a job they have done.

So unless you're just arbitrarily indulging in crass wishful thinking, the argument re "shot wad" is irrelevant.

[car2nst]

Originally Posted by Aclea

And it begins...

Just sayin. If you notice I have not once said KK should or should not have gotten the extension. To me it seems like the defenders of her are just as stubborn as the haters and can not think of other possibilities. I'm not sure how I personally feel about her but I do think Disney needs to fix their mistakes & flaws in their version of the franchise. Who exactly is responsible...well i don't know.

[car2nst]

Originally Posted by Martoto

Yeah. Without inappropriately using the exact scenario that has done for Gunn,.it being inappropriate due to Kennedy being a corporate officer for decades and unlikely to have had the liberty to publish comments that members of the public would wish to exploit in order to satisfy their own moral sensibilities and have zero connection with their work's performance or reception, I was pointing our that bad luck can befall anyone. It will still have zero to do with how good a job they have done.

So unless you're just arbitrarily indulging in crass wishful thinking, the argument re "shot wad" is irrelevant.

That is a lot of words just to say pretty much nothing..LOL. Sounds like you can't think outside your own tunnel vision. My deepest sympathies

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by car2nst

Solo sales #'s for the home release arent even out yet...as it JUST came out 5 days ago...SMH

Not EVERYONE who buys movies as gifts have seen (or liked) the movies themselves. Please take a moment & put your beloved thoughts down for a moment & think logically & use some common sense. I just brought a lot of real world, true & vaild examples into the light...something both sides have really not considered.

Don't introduce the idea that one can dismiss sales of TLJ, at least in part, as people who don't know better buying for other people who don't really want it, as well as people buying more than they really want to or need (which can be applied to TLJ's competition but I gather you're not interested in doing that) then get hissy when people challenge its relevance and logic.

Short answer: you cannot pick and choose which sales are irrelevant.

Common sense would dictate that a consistently well performing title such as TLJ cannot be as divisivein the public eye as some criticism would like to make out. It would seem to require ignoring or dismissing the continued success of TLJ in order to lend the impression of due prominence to said criticism. Prominence it thinks it deserves.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by car2nst

That is a lot of words just to say pretty much nothing..LOL. Sounds like you can't think outside your own tunnel vision. My deepest sympathies

It just says things you fail to understand. Or choose not to.

[car2nst]

Originally Posted by Martoto

Don't introduce the idea that one can dismiss sales of TLJ at least in part as people who don't know better bring for other people who don't really want it, as well as people buying more than they really want to or need (which can be applied to TLJ's competition but I gather you're not integrated in doing that).

Short answer: you cannot pick and choose which sales are irrelevant.

Common sense would dictate that a consistently well performing title such as TLJ cannot be as divisivein the public eye as some criticism would like to make out. It would seem to require ignoring or dismissing the continued success of TLJ in order to lend the impression of due prominence to said criticism. Prominence it thinks it deserves.

Wrong. & As I stated this really applies to any movie, not just TLJ. Where as I actually broke it down for you. You just see the total #of sales & already view it as it means "it sold a lot people must want to but the movie cuz they loved it so much" which really is using your love for the movie to justify the sales only to mean that ONE thing. Sorry but this is the reality of it. BvS broke sales records to but you have people that use their hate or love for the movie to justify it. My POV is unbiased common sense spelled out for you. Sorry if that you can't comprehend that & if it tarnishes your perception of TLJ "greatness".

[car2nst]

Originally Posted by Martoto

It just says things you fail to understand. Or choose not to.

I was thinking the same about you as well

[car2nst]

SMH...so sad you can literally explain a unbiased view and reasoning to a "defender" or a "hater" & they turn their head away like a ignorant snob & automatically say your wrong. . Oh, well i guess not everyone has the same intelligence levels. Ignorance is bliss i guess...

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by car2nst

y POV is unbiased common sense spelled out for you. Sorry if that you can't comprehend that & if it tarnishes your perception of TLJ "greatness".

Poor you. Being compelled to authentically rationalise your theories in a public discussion forum. And how exactly can can you complain about people ignoring your common sense and "automatically" challenging your arguments at the same time?

Have some dignity. You are grasping at any straws you can to maintain that the public are so profoundly disturbed by a movie that continues to sell. And you're feigning innocence after gleefully imagining some random misfortune for Kennedy in order to show up the celebrators of the hater's complete misjudgement of Kennedy's immediate fate at LFL.

I haven't equated any "greatness" of my perception of TLJ to sales. Just common sense that something with sustained popularity isn't as divisive as some people that criticise it want to make out.

Solo is very good in my opinion. That doesn't translate to very good box office though. I didn't go to see it in the cinema but it had nothing to do with TLJ or some intuition that a Solo film produced by the people that brought me TLJ can't be worth seeing.

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