Halloween (2018)

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by DenOfEarth

I gave this movie a chance as i had a friend as we went to see this in one of my city theaters and we were both let down but at least i didn't pay for the tickets.

I must say this is The Last Jedi or Superman Returns of the franchise for me!

It's nothing but a half-assed cashgrab sequel which feels like a big screen bad fanfiction story (despite there are some good on the internet) than an actual movie, with poor writing, bad poorly written humor that felt out of place, poor scares, nostalgic jerking off, boring story and steals from Halloween 2 1981/4/H2O which are all better than this and almost not as bad as 5/Resurrection/Zombie's 2 and as lame as 6/Zombie's remake.

Poor movie! i put it on par with Zombie's 2, Resurrection and 5 being one of the worst halloween films! poor writing and all, this was a waste of money for me! i'm done, i'm fed up with this franchise, to me it ended with H2O and i don't need a fake Halloween 2 when i got the real one at home on blu-ray in my boxset as that's the real Halloween 2 to me from 1981 and i like the brother-sister idea in 2 and H2O. There's nothing new you can really offer to this franchise than rip-off the same shit we seen before.

Also ripping off H2O, 4, 1978 and 2, it's not homage, it's just stealing from the other films. This one is just a sloppy money grab with no soul/passion or likable characters, even Jamie Lee Curtis was no help as she was haggard and did this for a paycheck and for money. I think it's time we bury this franchise! no one asked for this sequel. Stop beating this dead horse already! let it rest in peace as Michael earned his retirement. I agree with one of my friends to have horror get out of the shitter in the mainsteam is to take a page from the independent studios and independent horror films and foreign horror films with stuff like It Follows, Housebound, The Babadook, Tragedy Girls etc. stop remaking great horror films that don't need to be remade like Poltergeist, stop making sequels to worn out horror franchises, stop prequels etc.

independent horror films are out from the shitter known as mainstream when the mainstream should get out of the shitter, look for independent or foreign and say "screw the mainstream" sometimes as there is surprises like A Quiet Place etc. and when i'm talking mainstream i mean shit like Poltergeist remake which thankfully bombed and Insidious 4 which didn't do well and dunno why Ouiji a hit, i'm glad people went to see It Follows and some people support that. Enough too much PG-13 stuff like Ouiji but A Quiet Place was excellent for a PG-13 horror film and IT was an R rated hit which was a fresh change of pace for a blockbuster horror film not PG-13 despite it's another adaptation of a book.

Remake little known films like Blood Beach or Lifeforce rather than classics like Poltergeist which thankfully bombed as it's forgotten about where the original will always be remembered but Suspiria looks nice and should be a good remake that is trying something different than be a xerox copy like Poltergeist. They need risks again, take it again mainstream just like the independents are! Paranormal Activity wasn't a risk, stop with the ghost movies, stop with the found footage movies and do something different in the mainstream horror genre. Take a page from It Follows. Stop being lazy mainstream horror genre, get off your fat ass and put down the potato chips or twinkies shoving and shoving them in your mouth and do something else, start trying to do something unique. Just try something different than another remake of a great movie like Poltergeist, sequel to an older franchise, found footage and all that. I don't get the hype and praise Halloween 2018 is getting! A Quiet Place was a much better 2018 horror film than this cashgrab sequel as it was something different, it took risks and became a box-office hit as i welcome it and i welcome the upcoming sequel as this is a new fresh franchise i want to embrace.

i just don't want to see these horror icons (Jason, Freddy, Chucky, Ghostface, Michael, Leatherface, Jigsaw) over and over again on the big screen and your just gonna get diminishing returns just like the Universal monsters being ran into the ground in the 30s/40s/50s as they had huge characters and big hits on their hands then pumped out sequel after another (the only great sequel is Bride of Frankenstein) and the bottom completely fell out with diminishing box-office returns and before these characters became jokes even with Abbot and Costello movies then Universal knew when to quit. If Halloween 2018 becomes a hit then studios will be like "audiences want more Halloween, they want more Candyman, more Freddy, Jason Voorhees etc.", but for Candyman, one Candyman movie was enough as the first was excellent but the sequels were cash-ins and no more Elm Street films, Robert IS Freddy as Jackie proved it was a failure to recast Freddy for you can't do it, Robert IS the character and always was as even Englund said so.

Can't we have new horror icons already? let the worn out old tired icons like Freddy, Michael, Jason, Leatherface, Jigsaw, Ghostface, Candyman, Chucky and Pinhead die and rest in peace already, don't keep digging up them from their graves every 5 or 10 or 15 years then propping their corpses up on the big screen in Weekend at Bernies style. Just come up with with your own new horror icon and new horror franchise already! i'm not a big fan of Insidious and the Conjuring spin-offs but at least it's something different, well not quite different, but not the same old horror franchise some of us seen or the same horror icons for they are trying to create their own. I know they haven't been the best but at least they are giving a shit and giving it an effort, that's just how i feel about it.

Just try try again mainstream horror genre! making new horror icons would actually work because there are no ideas to bring in for most horror icons. New horror icons might get the hate, but it may take time before the newer ones would gain praise. I'll say this though. Even though using the same stuff is unnecessary. Just like in the last decade we got new horror icons in the mainstream like the Creeper, Captain Splauding and Jigsaw while Sam from Trick R Treat becomes a cult horror icon with Leslie Vernon when Trick and Behind the Mask were sent to the DVD direct to video market rather than to all mainstream theaters which should had happened even Hatchet was shown in midnight theaters than all theaters as there's Victor Crawley whom is a cult horror icon.

Now outside the mainstream we got Wolfcop, Tucker and Dale etc. should had been released in all theaters. I'd say end these horror franchises (Chucky/Halloween/Elm Street/Friday The 13th/Saw/Scream/Hellraiser/Texas Chainsaw Massacre) and bury them, let them rest in peace from film and let them live on through merchandise, comics, video games, toys, appreal, streams of the old movies on amazon/hulu/crackle/Netflix whatever even re-issues of the films on blu-ray and that's fair game.

Can we have new original cinematic horror icons/new franchises already? try to come up with new horror icons/franchises and try try again mainstream and let the older franchises rest in peace in favor of new franchises/new icons. I saw Hell Fest which is something different in mainstream horror and a comeback for slasher films, if anyone who is fed up with what's been done to these icons need send the message to studios we want fresh new horror icons and new franchises as that movie has potential to make one. Yet there is some like me who are tired of these same old worn out horror franchises being hurt by these new sequels/remakes hurting the franchises legacy and staining their name to become jokes. Just don't make anymore. That's the advice. The more you make, the longer you keep this franchise sucking the life out of other horror projects and potential franchises. This is like when Universal completely ran their Monsters franchise into the ground, just make new ones already and new icons.

Being a fan of these horror franchises/older horror icons is like having a beloved pet you had memories with and grew up with, but sadly the time has come to put it to sleep. Or it's like having a friend terminally ill on life support. You know it's hard to pull the plug but it's for the best.

1 1/2 star. (One of the worst films of the year for me!)

You said that Insidious 4 did poorly? The film cost 10 million to make and grossed almost 168 million. That's not "poorly" at all.


Also, Wolfcop is garbage.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by DenOfEarth

I gave this movie a chance as i had a friend as we went to see this in one of my city theaters and we were both let down but at least i didn't pay for the tickets.

I must say this is The Last Jedi or Superman Returns of the franchise for me!

It's nothing but a half-assed cashgrab sequel which feels like a big screen bad fanfiction story (despite there are some good on the internet) than an actual movie, with poor writing, bad poorly written humor that felt out of place, poor scares, nostalgic jerking off, boring story and steals from Halloween 2 1981/4/H2O which are all better than this and almost not as bad as 5/Resurrection/Zombie's 2 and as lame as 6/Zombie's remake.

Poor movie! i put it on par with Zombie's 2, Resurrection and 5 being one of the worst halloween films! poor writing and all, this was a waste of money for me! i'm done, i'm fed up with this franchise, to me it ended with H2O and i don't need a fake Halloween 2 when i got the real one at home on blu-ray in my boxset as that's the real Halloween 2 to me from 1981 and i like the brother-sister idea in 2 and H2O. There's nothing new you can really offer to this franchise than rip-off the same shit we seen before.

Also ripping off H2O, 4, 1978 and 2, it's not homage, it's just stealing from the other films. This one is just a sloppy money grab with no soul/passion or likable characters, even Jamie Lee Curtis was no help as she was haggard and did this for a paycheck and for money. I think it's time we bury this franchise! no one asked for this sequel. Stop beating this dead horse already! let it rest in peace as Michael earned his retirement. I agree with one of my friends to have horror get out of the shitter in the mainsteam is to take a page from the independent studios and independent horror films and foreign horror films with stuff like It Follows, Housebound, The Babadook, Tragedy Girls etc. stop remaking great horror films that don't need to be remade like Poltergeist, stop making sequels to worn out horror franchises, stop prequels etc.

independent horror films are out from the shitter known as mainstream when the mainstream should get out of the shitter, look for independent or foreign and say "screw the mainstream" sometimes as there is surprises like A Quiet Place etc. and when i'm talking mainstream i mean shit like Poltergeist remake which thankfully bombed and Insidious 4 which didn't do well and dunno why Ouiji a hit, i'm glad people went to see It Follows and some people support that. Enough too much PG-13 stuff like Ouiji but A Quiet Place was excellent for a PG-13 horror film and IT was an R rated hit which was a fresh change of pace for a blockbuster horror film not PG-13 despite it's another adaptation of a book.

Remake little known films like Blood Beach or Lifeforce rather than classics like Poltergeist which thankfully bombed as it's forgotten about where the original will always be remembered but Suspiria looks nice and should be a good remake that is trying something different than be a xerox copy like Poltergeist. They need risks again, take it again mainstream just like the independents are! Paranormal Activity wasn't a risk, stop with the ghost movies, stop with the found footage movies and do something different in the mainstream horror genre. Take a page from It Follows. Stop being lazy mainstream horror genre, get off your fat ass and put down the potato chips or twinkies shoving and shoving them in your mouth and do something else, start trying to do something unique. Just try something different than another remake of a great movie like Poltergeist, sequel to an older franchise, found footage and all that. I don't get the hype and praise Halloween 2018 is getting! A Quiet Place was a much better 2018 horror film than this cashgrab sequel as it was something different, it took risks and became a box-office hit as i welcome it and i welcome the upcoming sequel as this is a new fresh franchise i want to embrace.

i just don't want to see these horror icons (Jason, Freddy, Chucky, Ghostface, Michael, Leatherface, Jigsaw) over and over again on the big screen and your just gonna get diminishing returns just like the Universal monsters being ran into the ground in the 30s/40s/50s as they had huge characters and big hits on their hands then pumped out sequel after another (the only great sequel is Bride of Frankenstein) and the bottom completely fell out with diminishing box-office returns and before these characters became jokes even with Abbot and Costello movies then Universal knew when to quit. If Halloween 2018 becomes a hit then studios will be like "audiences want more Halloween, they want more Candyman, more Freddy, Jason Voorhees etc.", but for Candyman, one Candyman movie was enough as the first was excellent but the sequels were cash-ins and no more Elm Street films, Robert IS Freddy as Jackie proved it was a failure to recast Freddy for you can't do it, Robert IS the character and always was as even Englund said so.

Can't we have new horror icons already? let the worn out old tired icons like Freddy, Michael, Jason, Leatherface, Jigsaw, Ghostface, Candyman, Chucky and Pinhead die and rest in peace already, don't keep digging up them from their graves every 5 or 10 or 15 years then propping their corpses up on the big screen in Weekend at Bernies style. Just come up with with your own new horror icon and new horror franchise already! i'm not a big fan of Insidious and the Conjuring spin-offs but at least it's something different, well not quite different, but not the same old horror franchise some of us seen or the same horror icons for they are trying to create their own. I know they haven't been the best but at least they are giving a shit and giving it an effort, that's just how i feel about it.

Just try try again mainstream horror genre! making new horror icons would actually work because there are no ideas to bring in for most horror icons. New horror icons might get the hate, but it may take time before the newer ones would gain praise. I'll say this though. Even though using the same stuff is unnecessary. Just like in the last decade we got new horror icons in the mainstream like the Creeper, Captain Splauding and Jigsaw while Sam from Trick R Treat becomes a cult horror icon with Leslie Vernon when Trick and Behind the Mask were sent to the DVD direct to video market rather than to all mainstream theaters which should had happened even Hatchet was shown in midnight theaters than all theaters as there's Victor Crawley whom is a cult horror icon.

Now outside the mainstream we got Wolfcop, Tucker and Dale etc. should had been released in all theaters. I'd say end these horror franchises (Chucky/Halloween/Elm Street/Friday The 13th/Saw/Scream/Hellraiser/Texas Chainsaw Massacre) and bury them, let them rest in peace from film and let them live on through merchandise, comics, video games, toys, appreal, streams of the old movies on amazon/hulu/crackle/Netflix whatever even re-issues of the films on blu-ray and that's fair game.

Can we have new original cinematic horror icons/new franchises already? try to come up with new horror icons/franchises and try try again mainstream and let the older franchises rest in peace in favor of new franchises/new icons. I saw Hell Fest which is something different in mainstream horror and a comeback for slasher films, if anyone who is fed up with what's been done to these icons need send the message to studios we want fresh new horror icons and new franchises as that movie has potential to make one. Yet there is some like me who are tired of these same old worn out horror franchises being hurt by these new sequels/remakes hurting the franchises legacy and staining their name to become jokes. Just don't make anymore. That's the advice. The more you make, the longer you keep this franchise sucking the life out of other horror projects and potential franchises. This is like when Universal completely ran their Monsters franchise into the ground, just make new ones already and new icons.

Being a fan of these horror franchises/older horror icons is like having a beloved pet you had memories with and grew up with, but sadly the time has come to put it to sleep. Or it's like having a friend terminally ill on life support. You know it's hard to pull the plug but it's for the best.

1 1/2 star. (One of the worst films of the year for me!)

I quite like the Conjuring and original Insidious movies,as this is the new face of horror movies imo,but I also will never get tired of Michael Myers as it's a series of movies I have always enjoyed,sorry to see you did not like the new movie as it's clear you have a lot of love for the genre.

[avs commenter]

I like how people are referring to this as a cash grab. But not the other 9 Halloween movies?
The original was intended to be a stand alone film and not a franchise. This movie is the only sequel the creator of MM actually endorses.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

You said that Insidious 4 did poorly? The film cost 10 million to make and grossed almost 168 million. That's not "poorly" at all.


Also, Wolfcop is garbage.

Denofearth was never going to like this film. It could have been way better than the original and he still would have disliked it.

[BladeRunner2007]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

I like how people are referring to this as a cash grab. But not the other 9 Halloween movies?
The original was intended to be a stand alone film and not a franchise. This movie is the only sequel the creator of MM actually endorses.

The only sequel with MM that is

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

The problem with including all the over movies is that they are a bit all over the place plot wise,which ones would you include?,they can't use resurrection or H20,I suppose you could carry on after number 6....but I would still prefer this new approach,and I don't think Michael is any less iconic if you only use the first movie.

I woulda just stuck with the events of H1 and 2 since that is the complete night of Halloween 1978. At the very least, those events that occurred in 1 and 2 together makes for a stronger backbone to what has now become H40. Michael would be a burn victim adding to his unsettling presence as well as better reasoning for being down and out for so long, the aura that he's this undying monster(or incredibly lucky), Loomis would have been dead after the explosion no question. It would more convincingly validate Laurie's state of being and lifestyle after what she witnessed and endured.

Still say the sibling factor doesn't hurt the story and would add to the family dynamic that was present in H40. It would also give better reason as to why a doctor would become obsessively fascinated and protective of Michael, and why reporters want to investigate. A psycho who escapes a looney bin and kills 4 people and gets captured, doesn't really lend itself to the history books or the media hype.... but a psycho who kills 12 people on Halloween night surviving fatal gun shots, stab wounds, and an explosion on top of the scandalous nature of his relation to Laurie Strode... that just might do the trick.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by jess1581

I woulda just stuck with the events of H1 and 2 since that is the complete night of Halloween 1978. At the very least, those events that occurred in 1 and 2 together makes for a stronger backbone to what has now become H40. Michael would be a burn victim adding to his unsettling presence, the aura that he's this undying monster(or incredibly lucky), Loomis would have been dead after the explosion no question. It would more convincingly validate Laurie's state of being and lifestyle after what she witnessed and endured.

Still say the sibling factor doesn't hurt the story and would add to the family dynamic that was present in H40. It would also give better reason as to why a doctor would become obsessively fascinated and protective of Michael, and why reporters want to investigate. A psycho who escapes a looney bin and kills 4 people and gets captured, doesn't really lend itself to the history books or the media hype.... but a psycho who kills 12 people on Halloween night surviving fatal gun shots, stab wounds, and an explosion on top of the scandalous nature of his relation to Laurie Strode... that just might do the trick.

I think they would have gone that way if the ending of 2 had not been so final,also the whole sibling think does not do it for me,I much prefer the idea that Michael escaped and when't to his house,then just decided to stalk the Laurie because she just happened to drop a key through the letterbox,far more chilling concept than he's after her because she is his sister imo.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

I think they would have gone that way if the ending of 2 had not been so final.

Well see... although Halloween 4 bent credibility until it snapped, you can squeak by believably with Michael surviving depending on the severity of his burns. H4 made Michael look like he was barely on fire that night in 78. Loomis being alive just further stretched that logic. In H40, Michael could have 3rd degree burns all over him, missing ears, no hair, only one working eye since he was indeed shot in the face atleast one of those teo times Laurie fired at him, really make him look like he was in some serious shit, and that he's only been somewhat mobile for the past say 20 years. There is a way around it... and have Loomis' character to have died that night in the blast.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by jess1581

Well see... although Halloween 4 bent credibility until it snapped, you can squeak by with Michael surviving depending on the severity of his burns. H4 made Michael look like he was barely on fire that night in 78. Loomis being alive just further stretched that logic. In H40, Michael could have 3rd degree burns all over him, missing ears, no hair, only one working eye since he was indeed shot in the face atleast one of those teo times Laurie fired at him, really make him look like he was in some serious shit, and that he's only been somewhat mobile for the past say 20 years. There is a way around it... and have Loomis' character to have died that night in the blast.

No offense. That sounds awful

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by jess1581

Well see... although Halloween 4 bent credibility until it snapped, you can squeak by with Michael surviving depending on the severity of his burns. H4 made Michael look like he was barely on fire that night in 78. Loomis being alive just further stretched that logic. In H40, Michael could have 3rd degree burns all over him, missing ears, no hair, only one working eye since he was indeed shot in the face atleast one of those teo times Laurie fired at him, really make him look like he was in some serious shit, and that he's only been somewhat mobile for the past say 20 years. There is a way around it... and have Loomis' character to have died that night in the blast.

I think another reason they discarded Halloween 2 was the fact Laurie shot Michael in both of his eyes,which would have made things difficult for any other movie,but of course Halloween 2 was meant to be the end.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by DenOfEarth

I gave this movie a chance as i had a friend as we went to see this in one of my city theaters and we were both let down but at least i didn't pay for the tickets.

Was this one of your friends from YouTube?

[mpstjohn]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

I think another reason they discarded Halloween 2 was the fact Laurie shot Michael in both of his eyes,which would have made things difficult for any other movie,but of course Halloween 2 was meant to be the end.

And yet you can clearly see Michael Myers eyes through the mask in H2O when he looks at Laurie through the doorway. That film lands in continuity after Halloween 2. I think the assumption is less that the bullet permanently blinded him than the bullets missed his eyes and he was blinded from the blood running into his eyes when he starts to swing the knife.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

I think another reason they discarded Halloween 2 was the fact Laurie shot Michael in both of his eyes,which would have made things difficult for any other movie,but of course Halloween 2 was meant to be the end.

Indeed it was, and i also think the sibling factor woulda been accepted better if Halloween 2 was the final film like it was originally supposed to be. Though i kinda thought Laurie getting a drop on both his eyes to be rather far fetched since she wasn't exactly some expert marksman. There are some things you can get away with in terms of suspension of disbelief and some things you can't.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by Foggy

Was this one of your friends from YouTube?

I do like the way people say "I gave the movie a chance",it's almost as if the movie needed to beg somebody to go and watch it,to sort of atone for some previous indiscretion,although after Halloween resurrection the series needed to atone imo.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

No offense. That sounds awful

None taken... though i don't see that as being any worse than the contrived plotting that ran wild in H40.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by jess1581

Indeed it was, and i also think the sibling factor woulda been accepted better if Halloween 2 was the final film like it was originally supposed to be. Though i kinda thought Laurie getting a drop on both his eyes to be rather far fetched since she wasn't exactly some expert marksman. There are some things you can get away with in terms of suspension of disbelief and some things you can't.

She was a pretty decent shot though,she hit him in both eyes with only two shots.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by jess1581

Indeed it was, and i also think the sibling factor woulda been accepted better if Halloween 2 was the final film like it was originally supposed to be. Though i kinda thought Laurie getting a drop on both his eyes to be rather far fetched since she wasn't exactly some expert marksman. There are some things you can get away with in terms of suspension of disbelief and some things you can't.

I think if you are looking for plot holes and far fetched things in a movie where the main protagonist can't be killed with bullets,you are looking for errors in the wrong movie genre.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

I think if you are looking for plot holes and far fetched things in a movie where the main protagonist can't be killed with bullets,you are looking for errors in the wrong movie genre.

Lol i get that, but within the confines of the story where the killer is percieved as not human and a force of evil, i can buy him being unstoppable since he has a supernatural element to him. Laurie Strode on the other hand? Just an amazing case of beginner's luck.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by jess1581

Lol i get that, but within the confines of the story where the killer is percieved as not human and a force of evil, i can buy him being unstoppable since he has a supernatural element to him. Laurie Strode on the other hand? Just an amazing case of beginner's luck.

True,but with this you also have to along with all the stupid things that the hero of the movie does as well,so it's a balancing act,a little bit of luck does not go amiss when the odds are so clearly stacked against them.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

True,but with this you also have to along with all the stupid things that the hero of the movie does as well,so it's a balancing act,a little bit of luck does not go amiss when the odds are so clearly stacked against them.

Oh of course, every film that i adore has some quirks and bumps in the road like that. Despite the ongoing discussion about H40 and its shortcomings, I was still entertained by it regardless of its particular flaws(mainly the script).