HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Word is Sony will eventually stop producing the BVM-X300s



and replace with these…..https://www.newsshooter.com/2018/09/...itor-ibc-2018/ .

The change in display type should mitigate previous problems with burn-in and premature aging -> dimming.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The change in display type....

Originally Posted by Geoff D

**Geoffy awaits Penton to dig up a post from aeons ago informing us of exactly that**

In past conversation with zmarty - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...g#post13507833

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Dual modulation LED panel architecture (with its associated smarts) was indeed an attractive thing for display searchers at NAB.....

[Penton-Man]

So, Robert Z., if you desire to remain cutting edge with your next Value Electronics TV Shootouts you’ll need to rent one of these reference monitors to use as your control -

Sony - TRIMASTER HX : BVM-HX310 Master Monitor - YouTube

https://assets.pro.sony.eu/Web/suppo...K20281V1_h.pdf

[DanBa]

beIN SPORTS will become the first TV network to air a LaLiga match in Ultra HD 4K HDR for North American viewers.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...ch-4K%C2%A0HDR

[Penton-Man]

spraying to all fields before noon and back to work…..

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

beIN SPORTS will become the first TV network to air a LaLiga match in Ultra HD 4K HDR for North American viewers.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...ch-4K%C2%A0HDR

[Show spoiler]

Not to be overly grand, but although these Barcelona v. Real Madrid matches may be relatively unknown in large parts of the U.S., they are HUGE in terms of viewing audience in the rest of the world. Some years they’re very exciting, other years boring and defensively tactical, but every year they showcase the absolutely outstanding passing, trapping, and dribbling skills of some of the best players in the world and that in itself can make them a worthwhile watch.

It still boggles my mind when I see one of these guys pass a ball 50 yards or so down the field and another player deftly bring it off his chest or perfectly trap it on a ground effortlessly and then turn on a dime to proceed forward.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

5G....is immense (if you take time to watch the IBC video) not only in terms of high res HDR video delivery, AR, VR, gaming, etc.,)

AT&T added that, after the initial 12 cities, it will add seven more “by early 2019.” As previously announced, the first mobile 5G deployments will take place in Atlanta, Charlotte, Dallas, Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Louisville, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, Raleigh, San Antonio and Waco. The cities added in early 2019 are Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, and San Jose in California, and Las Vegas, Nashville, and Orlando.

AT&T described its 5G Evolution as rolling out to “over 400 U.S. cities throughout 2018, upgrading select towers with wireless technologies that will benefit both late-stage 4G/LTE users and early 5G adopters,” with 5G Evolution technology nationwide by mid-2019. AT&T said its “5G wireless network is backed by fiber cabling capable of reaching 18 million customers now, and 22 million customers by mid-2019.”

https://venturebeat.com/2018/10/24/a...12-u-s-cities/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’m not at the SMPTE conference this year, but

Blockchain, given its overwhelming potential with regards to the future of the internet and also affecting AI and the media and entertainment industry, etc. has been discussed in tech quarters for a while now. It can be an extremely complex concept, but for beginners, this interview at the SMPTE 2018 Tech conference is one of the nicest primers that I’ve come across in terms of making the concept easier to understand, learn about its association with Bitcoin, which is often in the news and find out about additional resources…

SMPTE 2018: UCLA Anderson's Beverly Macy - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The change in display type should mitigate previous problems with burn-in and premature aging -> dimming.

“Compared to OLED technology LMCL has the distinct benefit of avoiding burn-in as well as being able to maintain peak luminance regardless of overall scene brightness.”
visual illustration from Flanders Scientific…http://www.flandersscientific.com/XM311K/

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

In past conversation with zmarty - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...g#post13507833

Aha, I thought it might've been one of those dual LCD panel thingies (post from the Crayons thread when I relayed the news of this monitor in there):

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'm assuming it's using two LCD panels sandwiched together to achieve the quoted 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Aha, I thought it might've been one of those dual LCD panel thingies (post from the Crayons thread when I relayed the news of this monitor in there):

good to know at least one other person was concentrating last year, it’s not like I post complex colored patch stuff
on this thread, like here - https://github.com/sekrit-twc/zimg/issues/69

Of Note: GitHub Microsoft milestone today - https://blog.github.com/2018-10-26-g...and-microsoft/ <- reminds me, zmarty where are you? Not active much these days on Blu-ray.com?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

about behind the scenes Top Gun stuff.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

now that the Top Gun sequel is filming -

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...k#post15650436

even the private jet business is getting in the mood of it all (published Oct. 14, 2018) ….

Different By Design - Embraer Executive Jets - YouTube

[DanBa]

"Hello xxxxxx,

These are all the things that have been confirmed, while there may be more:

1. HDR10+ support
2. Supports Sony TV Dolby Vision
3. Bug fixes
4. HDMI IN supports Dolby Vision
5. Add 3 Aspect Ratio modes "21:9 Movable, 21:9 Fixed and 21:9 Cropped"

If you ever have any other questions or concerns in the future, please don't hesitate to reach out.

Thank you and we wish you the best with your future listening.

Best Regards," [Cambridge Audio]
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-b...l#post56926180

The Cambridge CXUHD is a customized Oppo UDP-203 UHD Blu-ray player.
Apparently, Oppo is also "exploring the feasibility of bringing hdr10+ within the next few firmware updates."
https://twitter.com/OPPODIGITAL/stat...78835821834240
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post55533420





The Cambridge CXUHD will support Sony TV Dolby Vision, i.e. Dolby Vision with MEL (Minimal Enhancement Layer) apparently, which is already supported by Oppo.

"For Dolby Vision profile 7: Base layer/enhancement layer full alignment is required, as documented in Blu-ray Disc Association Specifications." [Dolby]*
https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolo...les-levels.pdf

dual layer Dolby Vision (i.e. Dolby Vision Profile 7 with base layer & Full Enhancement Layer) AV file stored on UHD Blu-ray disc > UHD Blu-ray player: decoding of the HEVC base layer video stream and the HEVC enhancement layer video stream > reassembling the video signal from the base layer image, the enhancement layer image and the metadata > Dolby Vision video signal >> HDMI >> Dolby Vision TV capable of simultaneously decoding two HEVC video streams (same profile for decoding in TV or in player)

"For Dolby Vision profile 7: The MEL can be used to minimize the processing requirements for the enhancement layer and thus ensure broader use among UltraHD Blu-ray SoCs." [Dolby]*

dual layer Dolby Vision AV file stored on UHD Blu-ray disc > UHD Blu-ray player: converting FEL to MEL (i.e. removing the HEVC video stream of the full enhancement layer) > decoding of the HEVC base layer video stream > reassembling the video signal from the base layer image and the metadata > Dolby Vision video signal >> HDMI >> Dolby Vision TV capable of only decoding one single HEVC video stream

[Penton-Man]

Yo Bob - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...m#post15228314

How do you like dem 2001 HDR+WCG odyssey apples now? –
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/2001-...lu-ray/198119/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Since I’m a sports fan....

with regards to the 2018 World Series game last night and for all those like me who stayed up late to watch the finish, a little music to start the day with ….

2016 Dodgers Home Runs - "I Love LA" - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Over the years on this and other Blu-ray.com threads, in order to increase accurate HDR awareness, I’ve referenced the cutting edge work of Sean, Craig, Jaclyn and Elizabeth in text and/or YouTube or Vimeo video clips too. This past week in L.A. they were officially honored…. http://stockguru.com/2018/10/26/dolb...ion-engineers/ .

The hyperlinks in that ^ article take one directly to their papers at no charge, even if one is not a SMPTE member.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

sports fan

And for you San Diego folk, for this afternoon’s Notre Dame vs. Navy college football game (Navy has really got its work cut out for them this time), a flyover is planned at the conclusion of the National Anthem at approximately 4:57 pm (PT) and will feature four F/A-18F Super Hornets from the "Vampires" of VX-9 based out of Naval Air Weapons Station China Lake and the "Experts" of VFA-122 based out of NAS Lemoore.

Arrive early though, as good, close parking will probably be just as tight as that on the backlot of the Top Gun: Maverick movie set these days –


P.S. For those not attending and watching on TV, I don’t think this game is being broadcast in 4K HDR but keep an eye pealed for future games airing on DIRECTV delivering in that.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

and the "Experts" of VFA-122...

as in those who train the next generation of Naval aviators. This Strike Fighter Squadron is also known as the Flying Eagles <- good luck tomorrow Geoff

[Penton-Man]

For those in need of some HDR jazz after tonight’s Navy football and Dodger’s games , or for those who just like seeing what HDR can do for music festivals/concerts (filmed in 8K with the latest RED Helium sensor) -

Christian McBride's New Jawn - Malta Jazz 2018 - John Day (4K HDR) - YouTube

[wolfen608]

...you still have the audio selections on the UHD disk, which only require a decent sound system. Occasionally you'll also have additional language options.

Originally Posted by mzupeman

Far be it from me to rock the boat too much. I won’t do any further reporting in this thread if this is indeed the way it’s been surviving/thriving after all this time.

That’s not to say I don’t disagree with how the thread carries on, but, whatever.

As someone who never really frequented this thread before since my tv didn’t have great HDR capabilities (even if the tone mapping was great), when I came in recently, the first thing I saw was literally several posts in a row by the same person, and none of it had anything to do with HDR. I see the argument that going off topic is beneficial for the survival of a thread, but that’s totally not true, at least from my experience. It’s actually a great way to dissuade newcomers from entering the conversation with their own thoughts and opinions. And that much was proven when I was basically met with the ‘you don’t like it, you don’t have to be here’ mentality. This is a thread, not an exclusionary club.

So no, I don’t think off-topic conversation allows threads to actually thrive. It only allows people who already have been posting in said thread to continue doing so because they’ve grown accustomed to it. So there’s a trade-off there… while the thread lives on through off-topic conversation, growth is stunted. I mean, the basic code of internet forums is stay on topic, and if something is off topic, find a thread where it WILL be on point. “But then this thread would die” doesn’t really hold a lot of water, at least in my opinion.

Think of it this way: Geoff also suggested that if I wanted to find relevant stuff regarding this HDR conversation, I could go back to the beginning of the thread and read from there. But again, having wandered into this thread and seeing nothing but off-topic spam, what incentive do I have to do that? All a newcomer like me is going to think is, “Oh, great, this is the kind of crap I have to wade through in order to find relevant info? No thanks.” Just another reason why I believe off-topic discourse is more of a detriment than anything. I’ve spent years moderating and administrating at other super busy forums and I’ve seen the same mentality applied to threads in those places. It’s just the slowest form of death for a thread, not a revitalization.

But alas, these are my opinions and mine alone, clearly. No hard feelings… as I said, don’t really want to upset the balance of things. I’ll keep my mouth shut as far as this thread is concerned from now on. If any of you are ever in upstate New York, hit me up and I’ll buy you a beer to make amends.