Saw 6???

[swingle007]

Originally Posted by alkalinesi

kinda off topic but i wouldnt mind a remake of of the cube movies which kinda remind me of saw.

you mean hellraiser?

[Beast]

Originally Posted by ckent22

Then don't watch them. Everyone has an opinion. Don't thread crap.

Exactly. I don't get why people are so pissy over stuff like this.

I still say that no other horror franchise has so rich a continuity and storyline.

[J_UNTITLED]

Originally Posted by Beast

I don't get why people are so pissy over stuff like this.

I'm not getting "pissy" -- I just am stating my opinion on the films. You don't have to agree with me or get bent out of shape about it just as I don't have to agree or get worked up over yours.

[caliminius]

Originally Posted by Mouse

I don't see why there is so much hate towards the Saw movies. If bloody slasher films aren't your thing then don't watch it! Simple as that. The movies are created for a specific group of people - not everyone. Secondly, it's the only slasher film I've ever seen where I agree with the killings. Look at Freddy - he just kills kids in their sleep for no reason. Jason - kills people for no reason. Micheal Myers - kills people for no reason. Jig Saw - puts people in situations to save their life and hopefully learn to respect it while doing so. Nearly everyone in every Saw movie has a chance to save their life. You never know who will make the choice to fight for it or not. All other slasher films you always know who is going to be left alive at the end.

If you really want an answer to why there's so much hate towards the Saw movies here it is:

a) I've seen the first two movies in the series. The first was okay. The second I felt was a complete waste of time. The fact that such a mediocre series of films gets a dozen or so threads generated for it every week really starts to get old. I have the same issue with Transformers; I wouldn't hate that film so much if so many people didn't act like that mediocre film was the best thing ever.
b) It's things like you said in the second half of your comments that really annoy me. When someone tries to sell Saw as some lofty idea-filled movie. Maybe the first one had a few interesting ideas, but 2 was straight up torture porn. Just like every other slasher flick, you know that only a few people are going to make it out alive.

[BergerForLife]

Yeah there really are a lot of "Saw" haters. People call the series too gory and a lot of my friends will tell me "I don't like that gore stuff". Well the thing is, I don't watch "Saw" movies for the gore either. "Saw" must have the most complex and intellectual story-line for any horror/slasher film I've ever seen. That is why I enjoy the movies. I believe the series will attract two types of people 1) people who enjoy gore/horror films 2) people who like to think when they watch a movie (ex. trying to figure out who the killer is in a mystery film)

Saw 6 will probably be out around halloween this year, and Saw 7 will follow around halloween next year. I look forward to watching both.

[MAPdead]

I didn't think saw 5 was bad as the reviews it got so I am up for a 6th installment as long as the stories are good they can keep on making them.

[HOME THEATRE ADDICT!]

When I started this thread, I was just curious if anyone knew if there would be a 6 or not! Im not a Saw hater, I own all of them. I was just thinking its got to end somewhere. I guessed after 4 anyhow. I am a horror fan which is why I watch them. Im just wondering how far it will go! Probably as long as it makes $$$.

[ckent22]

Originally Posted by HOME THEATRE ADDICT!

When I started this thread, I was just curious if anyone knew if there would be a 6 or not! Im not a Saw hater, I own all of them. I was just thinking its got to end somewhere. I guessed after 4 anyhow. I am a horror fan which is why I watch them. Im just wondering how far it will go! Probably as long as it makes $$$.

Well IMO, it's joined the ranks of Halloween, Friday the 13th, and Nightmare on Elm Street as one of the most original horror franchises.

With that said, I think it's got the potential to never end if it is written properly.

[J_UNTITLED]

Originally Posted by BergerForLife

Yeah there really are a lot of "Saw" haters. People call the series too gory and a lot of my friends will tell me "I don't like that gore stuff". Well the thing is, I don't watch "Saw" movies for the gore either. "Saw" must have the most complex and intellectual story-line for any horror/slasher film I've ever seen. That is why I enjoy the movies. I believe the series will attract two types of people 1) people who enjoy gore/horror films 2) people who like to think when they watch a movie (ex. trying to figure out who the killer is in a mystery film)

I'm sorry and no disrespect or offense, but the idea that "Saw" is a thinking-person's movie would be hilarious if it weren't so painfully-ludicrous (at least in my opinion, of course). It does not take much thought to watch a dying man have others torture and/or kill others in various devices and/or traps.


If you think "Saw" has the most complex or intellectual storyline out of any horror or slasher film you clearly have not seen many movies in my estimation (or, we just obviously couldn't be farther apart in view).

Originally Posted by HOME THEATRE ADDICT!

I am a horror fan which is why I watch them.

If I had to pick a favorite genre, horror would very likely win out and I find the "Saw" franchise to be atrocious (and not because of gore but because of its paper-thin characters and all-out stupidity)... different folks, different strokes.

Originally Posted by ckent22

Well IMO, it's joined the ranks of Halloween, Friday the 13th, and Nightmare on Elm Street as one of the most original horror franchises.

Most of the sequels to "Halloween," "Friday the 13th" and "A Nightmare on Elm Street" are about as clichéd or trite (aka unoriginal) franchises to be found.

[nick1091]

Originally Posted by ckent22

Well IMO, it's joined the ranks of Halloween, Friday the 13th, and Nightmare on Elm Street as one of the most original horror franchises.

I agree, and what I think is also worth mentioning is that out of all of the long-running horror franchises, Saw is the one that remains the most consistent with their original characters. In things such as NOES & the Hellraiser series, you could see over time Freddy & Pinhead sort of fundamentally change from what they were originally written as.

While I don't think it's the greatest horror franchise of all time, I do think Saw's batting average in terms of good movies is much higher. Out of the 5 films, it was only Saw 5 that I saw as a complete disappointment.

That said, I'll still be in for Saw 6, albeit not as enthusiastically as I was awaiting 5.

[ckent22]

Originally Posted by J_UNTITLED

I'm sorry and no disrespect or offense, but the idea that "Saw" is a thinking-person's movie would be hilarious if it weren't so painfully-ludicrous (at least in my opinion, of course). It does not take much thought to watch a dying man have others torture and/or kill others in various devices and/or traps.


If you think "Saw" has the most complex or intellectual storyline out of any horror or slasher film you clearly have not seen many movies in my estimation (or, we just obviously couldn't be farther apart in view).





If I had to pick a favorite genre, horror would very likely win out and I find the "Saw" franchise to be atrocious (and not because of gore but because of its paper-thin characters and all-out stupidity)... different folks, different strokes.





Most of the sequels to "Halloween," "Friday the 13th" and "A Nightmare on Elm Street" are about as clichéd or trite (aka unoriginal) franchises to be found.

I'd go so far as to say I've seen clearly more movies then you.

You tell me what the difference is between most horror films that feature a killer who slashes his victims in the typical Scream fashion. That's a great franchise as well.

But a mindless killing if you will.

You don't have to like Saw. Nobody will force you to, but it definitely forces you to think and get into the psyche of Jigsaw.

That's what the beauty of the Saw movies are compared to other horror films is that they don't do mindless killings. Jigsaw's method is rehabilitation and that he doesn't technically kill anybody. He certainly loads the gun and points it in the right direction per say but he doesn't pull the trigger.

In addition, his victims are not your average blonde female. They are people that he feels must atone for something.

The movies are far from perfect, but they definitely require some thought.

[J_UNTITLED]

Originally Posted by ckent22

I'd go so far as to say I've seen clearly more movies then you.

You tell me what the difference is between most horror films that feature a killer who slashes his victims in the typical Scream fashion. That's a great franchise as well.

But a mindless killing if you will.

You don't have to like Saw. Nobody will force you to, but it definitely forces you to think and get into the psyche of Jigsaw.

That's what the beauty of the Saw movies are compared to other horror films is that they don't do mindless killings. Jigsaw's method is rehabilitation and that he doesn't technically kill anybody. He certainly loads the gun and points it in the right direction per say but he doesn't pull the trigger.

In addition, his victims are not your average blonde female. They are people that he feels must atone for something.

The movies are far from perfect, but they definitely require some thought.

Perhaps you have, perhaps you have not... but then again that wasn't meant to instigate a pissing-contest of sorts, either. You make the films sound to be much more involved than they actually are (or are presented/made) so, again, we'll just agree to disagree.

[ckent22]

Originally Posted by J_UNTITLED

Perhaps you have, perhaps you have not... but then again that wasn't meant to instigate a pissing-contest of sorts, either. You make the films sound to be much more involved than they actually are (or are presented/made) so, again, we'll just agree to disagree.

It's what they are. There's a difference between most horror films that feature blondes running for their life and a killer wielding a machete or a knife who is trying to kill them.

It doesn't make sense who the blonde is. She's random.

As, I pointed out, the victims in Saw are not random. And everything comes back full circle.

Besides Jigsaw is not a killer per say as I've also pointed out.

Like I said, you can hate them. That's fine. But, they are original and require thought.

[J_UNTITLED]

Originally Posted by ckent22

It's what they are. There's a difference between most horror films that feature blondes running for their life and a killer wielding a machete or a knife who is trying to kill them.

It doesn't make sense who the blonde is. She's random.

As, I pointed out, the victims in Saw are not random. And everything comes back full circle.

Besides Jigsaw is not a killer per say as I've also pointed out.

Like I said, you can hate them. That's fine. But, they are original and require thought.

Sure, there are not dimwitted-blondes running around in the films but the victims are no less paper-thin or at times dim-witted as well. I don't find hardly any originality or thought-making-attributes in the franchise so, once more, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by caliminius

The fact that such a mediocre series of films gets a dozen or so threads generated for it every week really starts to get old.

Congratulations. I feel the same way about The Dark Knight.

I just don't feel the need to cry in every thread about it.

It's why I stay out of the Fanboy Mega-Thread for it for the most part. Most of my posts there were merged in. I don't like the movie, so have no desire to wander in and take a threadcrap upon people that do.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by BergerForLife

Yeah there really are a lot of "Saw" haters. People call the series too gory and a lot of my friends will tell me "I don't like that gore stuff". Well the thing is, I don't watch "Saw" movies for the gore either. "Saw" must have the most complex and intellectual story-line for any horror/slasher film I've ever seen. That is why I enjoy the movies. I believe the series will attract two types of people 1) people who enjoy gore/horror films 2) people who like to think when they watch a movie (ex. trying to figure out who the killer is in a mystery film)

Exactly. The traps and the gore are almost secondary in a lot of Saw fans eyes.

There there for the horror/gore factor, but the stuff that surrounds them is where the movies really get interesting. The tapestry of the plot is so rich and detailed, with every movie evolving the storyline to a new point. Revealing new information that expands the universe. Not just pulling new details out of the writer or director's ass to get another installment down on paper. Once most Horror films reach their 5th Chapter, they're dumbed down and barely recognizable as what they began. Look at Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, and Halloween. I'm glad that Saw has managed to maintain the quality in all ways. But the storyline is the thing.

[ckent22]

Originally Posted by J_UNTITLED

Sure, there are not dimwitted-blondes running around in the films but the victims are no less paper-thin or at times dim-witted as well. I don't find hardly any originality or thought-making-attributes in the franchise so, once more, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Yeah I'd definitely have to disagree with that. When Jigsaw's victims are threatened with life or death decisions which they are they do what they do what they can to survive. I'd like to know what you think are the stupid decisions they make.

[Anthony P]

1) can we agree it is not a slasher movie, Jigsaw never kills anyone "to use his words" he chooses a victim builds traps related to the person at hand and the rest is the movie. He does not walk around or try and kill (by slashing) everyone and anyone that ends up in front of him
2) it depends on the individual, I like to think when watching a movie, in the saw movies you can wonder about what is happening, in #1 you have no idea who's the bad guy all through the movie and the "supposed" corps in the room was the last guess, and the same is true for all of them. Yes most (many questions are answered in the film but others are answered in later films. So yes it is much more of a thinking film then many horror movies that require no thought and there is nothing to wonder.
3) to the guy that said it is not a good horror franchise, can you tell me what would be your top 5
4) to the people that say I saw 1, then 2, (maybe 3) and then stopped, why do you think anyone cares about your ignorant comments, I can understand someone saying I saw all 5 and it went down hill after 2 or 3 or 4 but if you never saw all the movies then how can you know they suck?

[BergerForLife]

to J_Untitled-
If you find other horror movies more intellectual than "Saw", please name them. I'm not saying there aren't any, but I just bet most would be hard pressed to think of even one.

Quote J_Untitled: "It does not take much thought to watch a dying man have others torture and/or kill others in various devices and/or traps."

This once again goes back to my theory that people (like you) are watching the film with a close mind. You are only seeing one part of it. "...a dying man have others torture and/or kill others..." That's not what the movie is to us. Get past that narrow minded view of the movie, and you might actually enjoy it as we have. I'm not saying It's the greatest, but once again for a horror film It is very impressive.

[UKTruBlu]

Originally Posted by BergerForLife

to J_Untitled-
If you find other horror movies more intellectual than "Saw", please name them. I'm not saying there aren't any, but I just bet most would be hard pressed to think of even one.

Quote J_Untitled: "It does not take much thought to watch a dying man have others torture and/or kill others in various devices and/or traps."

This once again goes back to my theory that people (like you) are watching the film with a close mind. You are only seeing one part of it. "...a dying man have others torture and/or kill others..." That's not what the movie is to us. Get past that narrow minded view of the movie, and you might actually enjoy it as we have. I'm not saying It's the greatest, but once again for a horror film It is very impressive.

This guy is right, the point of the movies are that the 'victims' are better off for surviving their ordeal and should go off to lead better lives.

Quite a strong point to get to someone, but every now and then a person needs to look death in the face before they learn a vital lesson.......life is all about learning and really in all honesty it shouldn't take a near death experience to realise how fragile life is.

Sounds a bit preachy but its just how it seems to me......listen to the quotes that jigsaw makes when he talks to the ones whom survive......