Archived: Insiders Thread

[WickyWoo]

Frankly anything that'll discourage pirates sounds good to me

The players could still be configured to generate a menu for you

[blitz6speed]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Frankly anything that'll discourage pirates sounds good to me

The players could still be configured to generate a menu for you

Not with BDAV. Thats the issue.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

Thanks for supporting the format.

"Run Lola Run" is presently scheduled for January, "Das Boot" for February.

As the members here will tell you, the schedule changes from time to time, so these may be moved to another date.

Thank you so much sir...VERY MUCH looking forward to both of them. And please pass the word along that foreign cinema wins supporters!!

Thanks again for your invaluable input!

Pro-B

[Frode]

Piggybacking onto the BDMV issue, is this why support for MPEG2 PS and TS was removed from the PS3 in 1.50? Right now it doesn't even recognize the file extensions, and it used to - the online manual also states it's supposed to support it.

http://manuals.playstation.net/docum...filetypes.html

It also used to support AVC files for the PSP, but doesn't play those anymore either. The PS3 isn't exactly known for being good at supporting video formats, but removing the ones it already does support isn't helping it become a good media client.

[frank_t]

Originally Posted by Frode

Piggybacking onto the BDMV issue, is this why support for MPEG2 PS and TS was removed from the PS3 in 1.50? Right now it doesn't even recognize the file extensions, and it used to - the online manual also states it's supposed to support it.

http://manuals.playstation.net/docum...filetypes.html

It also used to support AVC files for the PSP, but doesn't play those anymore either. The PS3 isn't exactly known for being good at supporting video formats, but removing the ones it already does support isn't helping it become a good media client.

Interesting.

Quite frankly, my biggest disappointment in the PS3 is that, while I can easily copy my MTS files from my panasonic HD video camera to an external storeage decive (or internal drive on the PS3), the PS3 will actually downsample the 5.1 DD audio into 2.0. Thus making the feature on the camera pretty worthless to me.

I have no interest in authoring BD ROMs. I simply want to grab all the files I record, dump them onto a hard drive that is either plugged directly into the PS3 via USB or shared to the PS3 and watch my home movies in all their HD glory with 5.1 audio that isn't downsampled to 2.0.

[WickyWoo]

Not with BDAV. Thats the issue.

Like the DIVX enabled DVD players do. Basically a table of contents. You yourself cannot design a menu for the disc.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by benes

Very disturbing indeed since I plan to make use of BDMV. I am already telling everyone I know to not update their PS3 firmware anymore. I hope this does not get implemented.

I was under the impression that BDMV required AACS and ROM-Mark. It would seem if some players didn't demand that, they weren't to spec.

Offhand I can't see how home users could have full use of BDMV and not open a gaping hole in the copy protection.

Gary

[WickyWoo]

Bootleg product becomes far less attractive when it lacks any kind of bells and whistles, and it also makes it easily identifiable

Given that the "fingerprint" of all BR pressing equipment is registered with the BDA, it's going to make "moonlighting", a common practice where a legit facility, usually in Asia, uses the offhours to press boots, virtually impossible

[BillCable]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

I don't have reliable numbers for the set-top players, but PS3 has crossed 1 million units. Another 5 - 10% is my best approximation for the set top units.

The PS3 has sold at least 4 million units worldwide. In fact, Sony reported that they've sold 6 million...

http://digg.com/playstation_3/Sony_P...Base_WorldWide

But those numbers might be mistaken. I think CNN reported they've sold 5 million.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by BillCable

The PS3 has sold at least 4 million units worldwide. In fact, Sony reported that they've sold 6 million...

http://digg.com/playstation_3/Sony_P...Base_WorldWide

But those numbers might be mistaken. I think CNN reported they've sold 5 million.

4.4 mil to consumers, 6+ mil to retailers. Thats the difference no one reads in to.

[Alex Pallas]

moar drm? i find it funny people are willing to pay so much for films that are inferior to bootlegged copies.

...silly, silly consumers.

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by MozartMan

paidgeek,

Some disturbing information. This is regarding Sony new players, may be you can shed some light:




Original thread was started on AVS:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=886153

Blu-ray players were never supposed to support BDMV authored content using ordinary data type BD-R or BD-RE media. An exemption was made for a number of months so that available blank discs could be used for testing and other promotional activities; this exemption expired recently.

Consumers will be able to record their own authored movies using recordable media designed for this purpose (as specified by AACS). This media is designed to stop copies of copies of copyrighted material, something we can't prevent right now with the current media and drives.

Rest assured that Apple and other companies have been very vocal in the BDA to insure that consumers will have the ability to take full advantage of the movie specifications to make full featured discs if they so desire.

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by tezza2007

Thanks all you insiders into some major points i was hoping you would answer, and you did. What i am asking is, with listening and watching John Legend in concert as one of my first bluray music discs, which totally blew me away! What else is on the cards for release, and are we going to see some major re-releases of megastars such as Michael Jackson, Madonna, Mariah , etc etc, as i would love to see some huge talent showing on this blu ray format! for me Michael Jacksons stuff was made for blu ray, i would love to see his concerts on BLURAY!

Terry

I have heard rumors about some Dave Mathews coming to the format.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

Consumers will be able to record their own authored movies using recorded media designed for this purpose (as specified by AACS). This media is designed to stop copies of copies of copyrighted material, something we can't prevent right now with the current media and drives.

That's cool. So, there will be special variants of BD-R and BD-RE for home productions?

When can we expect to see those offered?

[Rob Zuber]

If this restriction is handled by the AACS folks, then this will apply equally to HD-DVD? Any idea how this relates to HDi?

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

That's cool. So, there will be special variants of BD-R and BD-RE for home productions?

When can we expect to see those offered?

I don't know when the AACS media will be on the market.

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by Rob Zuber

If this restriction is handled by the AACS folks, then this will apply equally to HD-DVD? Any idea how this relates to HDi?

There is no connection with HDi. HD-DVD players do not restrict unencrypted content on ROM or recorded media as far as I know. This might seem like an advantage, but for studios that are serious about copyright, it's not so good..

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by benes

Thanks for the reply paidgeek. I guess thats good news but I'm still a little confused.

So you are saying there will eventually be new media that will let us make our own BDMV discs? And will these work in the current burners?

Also I'm a little curious as to how this will prevent copies of blu-ray movies. Currently it is possible to rip a disc and extract the video and audio. Lets say for example I use Black Hawk Down. I can extract the MPEG-2 stream and the AC-3 stream. What will prevent me from authoring these streams to the new BDMV media?

There are provisions for a watermark to help identify copyrighted content. It's not a perfect solution, but we are trying to avoid the massive piracy we have on DVD.

[MozartMan]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

Blu-ray players were never supposed to support BDMV authored content using ordinary data type BD-R or BD-RE media. An exemption was made for a number of months so that available blank discs could be used for testing and other promotional activities; this exemption expired recently.

Consumers will be able to record their own authored movies using recorded media designed for this purpose (as specified by AACS). This media is designed to stop copies of copies of copyrighted material, something we can't prevent right now with the current media and drives.

Rest assured that Apple and other companies have been very vocal in the BDA to insure that consumers will have the ability to take full advantage of the movie specifications to make full featured discs if they so desire.

Thanks paidgeek,

I highlighted the phrase in your reply. Is it recorded, or should it read recordable.

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by MozartMan

Thanks paidgeek,

I highlighted the phrase in your reply. Is it recorded, or should it read recordable.

Thanks for highlighting that. I'll fix it..