Scream Factory Blu-ray Discussion Thread

[Puffy]

Originally Posted by crikan

Or could these be necessary steps to get the licenses we've been clamoring for?

I really think that's it. It appears they've invested a lot in acquiring new titles and the result is higher prices.

The issue is it comes on the heels of an abundance of other problems, which I don't need to list because we all know. It's been a perfect storm PR nightmare.

[Jessie]

If I cannot afford a title I will wait until it is cheaper or when my situation improves so I can afford it. My issue with SF is the strong arming of smaller outlets.

[Puffy]

Originally Posted by Jessie

If I cannot afford a title I will wait until it is cheaper or when my situation improves so I can afford it. My issue with SF is the strong arming of smaller outlets.

Yeah, I would buy Urban Legend and Valentine but at this point I'll wait for prices to decline.

[logboy]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

that's the most intelligent and reasonable opinion I've read so far regarding this unfortunate situation.

I'm not the guy that's always waiting for the $10 price point, but I do stand firm of "nothing over $20" which I pretty much do for all blu rays including 4k releases. I still believe that most Scream titles will be easily had for a reasonable price, just not immediately anymore....

problem i have with it is that lowered prices, sale prices, offers are all considered well in advance and part of a business model that some company's use and some a steadfastly avoiding or increasingly actively removing themselves from. we all know arrow drops to (in the UK) a 5 for £30 offer at HMV, and well under £10 on it's own store, and although the company hopes you're in early and excited, it understands everyone has their price, budget, compromises between cost and reward for different levels of current interest. the problem with the crowd that says it's effectively wants to pay more to prove it's the most passionate is that it's only one of many indicators that there's interest and understanding - both of films and of the business itself - and it suggests to others they can argue all day long but "you're just not as good as we are" until you're actively looking for company's to invent ways to inflate prices to help you're own distorted sense of what you're actually buying into : films.

it's harder to say the studios aren't taking notice of figures from further down the line than initial release because they're banking on being able to ramp-up the numbers by promoting the offers being held not only on their own sites but in b&m stores they link to and talk about. if a title doesn't significantly or visibly improve it's figures during sales periods, it will be taken as an indicator that might cause less of the same to be licensed and it might be considered something not as financially rewarding but of some wider purpose in perhaps broadening the titles it is able to have a chance of making more money from in the future with awareness of new genres, directors, the label itself, and so on. it's not all about more lavish expensive editions of films you already know you like, it's also a journey to find something new, and if someone can sell you and many other people something new they're also going to make money, with a far easier route to a larger customer base than those labels pricing people out in a way to exclude the chances of discovery for others that don't already know about what you're happy to know about.

[bb8977]

Not exactly a loaded disc for Starman...


NEW They Came from Hollywood: Re-visiting STARMAN – Featuring Director John Carpenter, Actors Jeff Bridges And Charles Martin Smith, And Script Supervisor Sandy King-Carpenter

Audio Commentary With Director John Carpenter And Jeff Bridges

Vintage Featurette
Teaser Trailer
Theatrical Trailer
TV Spots

[JasonMichael]

Another way to have a larger customer base is to widen the distribution of your product, where Shout seems intent on keeping other retailers from carrying their product, or carrying it at a higher price they aren't comfortable with. The only reason I can see for Shout to use this strategy is to create the perception that they are a premium brand, but unfortunately that has been undermined by shipping and quality control issues.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by bb8977

Not exactly a loaded disc for Starman...


NEW They Came from Hollywood: Re-visiting STARMAN – Featuring Director John Carpenter, Actors Jeff Bridges And Charles Martin Smith, And Script Supervisor Sandy King-Carpenter

Audio Commentary With Director John Carpenter And Jeff Bridges

Vintage Featurette
Teaser Trailer
Theatrical Trailer
TV Spots

So one new feature, same transfer, new art and a slipcover for $30.

[TheHorrorNerd]

I think you guys are missing the point. Scream isn't increasing their wholesale price to distributors or local shops. They are artificial raising prices to the customer. Mike from Grindhouse Video wasn't complaining that they were gouging him. Just that they were forcing him to raise his prices. Honestly he would make more per unit but he knows he can't sell that at the MAP price.

The only benefit I see here is that they would force everyone to pay the new MAP pricing everywhere but their own website. There they can benefit from slightly undercutting their own MAP pricing.
I'm sure that I'm oversimplifying it but this is how I see it.

[Jessie]

Originally Posted by TheHorrorNerd

I think you guys are missing the point. Scream isn't increasing their wholesale price to distributors or local shops. They are artificial raising prices to the customer. Mike from Grindhouse Video wasn't complaining that they were gouging him. Just that they were forcing him to raise his prices. Honestly he would make more per unit but he knows he can;t sell that at the MAP price.

The only benefit I see here is that they would force everyone to pay the new MAP pricing everywhere but their own website. There they can benefit from slightly undercutting their own MAP pricing.
I'm sure that I'm oversimplifying it but this is how I see it.

This in a nutshell.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Pricing really isn't the issue with me. It's their lack of care and quality control. I don't mind paying their prices as long as the product is defect free. It's beyond frustrating.

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by crikan

So what do people beleive is the reason for Shout playing hardball with their pricing? Is cmac dumping our money into a giant swimming pool and living out his Scrooge McDuck fantasies. Or could these be necessary steps to get the licenses we've been clamoring for? Perhaps its getting hard to keep the lights on when SF's most loyal customers are holding out for the sub $20 sales. Those of you hoping for SF's demise might get what you're hoping for and just think of the films that won't make it to BD because of it. And I say this as someone who's rarely buying SF anymore due to the pricing and the obnoxious artwork. From my POV SF appears to be in a tough spot and it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

If someone is swimming in dough it's not cmac - he just works for the company. He's probably trying to hang onto his job right about now

There's a LOT of product coming out at the moment. The majors are abandoning physical media but the smaller indy guys are taking up the slack, which we all see as a good thing. But an oversaturated market should mean lower prices, not the opposite. If this Warner deal is hitting Shout too hard in the pockets, that's on them - don't pass the costs on to us. Nobody really wants Shout to close up shop but unless they "revise" their prices back to normal levels, they're just nailing their own nails in the coffin.

[TheHorrorNerd]

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

Pricing really isn't the issue with me. It's their lack of care and quality control. I don't mind paying their prices as long as the product is defect free. It's beyond frustrating.

Yep. Higher prices for less quality.

[bb8977]

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

Pricing really isn't the issue with me. It's their lack of care and quality control. I don't mind paying their prices as long as the product is defect free. It's beyond frustrating.

So you have no issue with them bullying independent retailers and forcing them to charge prices above and beyond the norm ?

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by bb8977

So you have no issue with them bullying independent retailers and forcing them to charge prices above and beyond the norm ?

That is a problem as well. That's included with their lack of care. They can go about that differently.

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by bb8977

Not exactly a loaded disc for Starman...


NEW They Came from Hollywood: Re-visiting STARMAN – Featuring Director John Carpenter, Actors Jeff Bridges And Charles Martin Smith, And Script Supervisor Sandy King-Carpenter

Audio Commentary With Director John Carpenter And Jeff Bridges

Vintage Featurette
Teaser Trailer
Theatrical Trailer
TV Spots

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

So one new feature, same transfer, new art and a slipcover for $30.

I'll wait for the inevitable 4k release.....

[babybreese]

Wow, the crybabies are out in force.

Scream has just announced extensive Hammer holdings, deals with more than company to get them, and has RETURN OF THE VAMPIRE coming, and on and on.

They are likely to have their best year ever in 2019...and all I see here is tears.
There is a comical side to this but I am not laughing.

The entitled, uninformed speculation is what's most disheartening.
Shout! will do just fine without your $$, trust me.

[TheHorrorNerd]

Originally Posted by babybreese

Wow, the crybabies are out in force.

Scream has just announced extensive Hammer holdings, deals with more than company to get them, and has RETURN OF THE VAMPIRE coming, and on and on.

They are likely to have their best year ever in 2019...and all I see here is tears.
There is a comical side to this but I am not laughing.

The entitled, uninformed speculation is what's most disheartening.
Scream will do just fine without your $$, trust me.

Love it when people comment on a thread out of nowhere and have likely not read the previous comments.
Because if they did they know we aren't complaining about the cost more about price fixing and bullying the independents.

[crikan]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

If someone is swimming in dough it's not cmac - he just works for the company. He's probably trying to hang onto his job right about now

There's a LOT of product coming out at the moment. The majors are abandoning physical media but the smaller indy guys are taking up the slack, which we all see as a good thing. But an oversaturated market should mean lower prices, not the opposite. If this Warner deal is hitting Shout too hard in the pockets, that's on them - don't pass the costs on to us. Nobody really wants Shout to close up shop but unless they "revise" their prices back to normal levels, they're just nailing their own nails in the coffin.

You don't see that the statements "don't pass the costs on to us" and "nobody really wants Shout to close up shop" are incompatible? If consumers don't make up a the difference, they will close up shop or stop selling the films we are asking for. There is no one else to "pass the costs onto". Shout isn't a charity. If they spent too much on licensing deals, they have no choice but get more money out of consumers. This idea that what Shout is doing is shaddy is ludicrous. It might prove to be their undoing, but its not evil. It could also turn out to be hugely successful for them once consumer expectations are reset (although I don't believe that will happen).

[TheHorrorNerd]

Originally Posted by crikan

You don't see that the statements "don't pass the costs on to us" and "nobody really wants Shout to close up shop" are incompatible? If consumers don't make up a the difference, they will close up shop or stop selling the films we are asking for. There is no one else to "pass the costs onto". Shout isn't a charity. If they spent too much on licensing deals, they have no choice but get more money out of consumers. This idea that what Shout is doing is shaddy is ludicrous. It might prove to be their undoing, but its not evil. It could also turn out to be hugely successful for them once consumer expectations are reset (although I don't believe that will happen).

They are not making any more money due to MAP pricing. The costs didn't go up to the distributors/stores.
Only the customer pays more to the retailer.

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by TheHorrorNerd

Love it when people comment on a thread out of nowhere and have likely not read the previous comments.
Because if they did they know we aren't complaining about the cost more about price fixing and bullying the independents.

Realists outnumber SF cheerleaders. By the way, are the mods aware Jay Mammoth has a sock account?