Red Dead Redemption 2

[Leonidas King]

The game is so technically flawed and full of weird glitches though.

I hate it how night time swiftly changes to day time in a matter of seconds or vice versa all while doing missions. They really needed that GTA approach of doing certain missions at a certain time of day so it feels more realistically to the gaming experience.

[LegacyCosts]

Been running train robberies without getting bounties. Game is even better not giving a damn about honor. Carrying a lantern through a black train in the tunnel stealing all the passengers money is so fun. Been playing as a murderous woodsman on the second playthrough. He even tells Molly how bad he feels about the acts im committing haha.

[jomari]

Originally Posted by Leonidas_King

Guys I'm trying to save the prisoner in the

[Show spoiler]Gunsmith's basement but I simply cant' cause I cant use weapons in that area for which I need to in order to threaten the gunsmith guy.

How can I go about that?

are you talking about

[Show spoiler]the gunsmith in rhodes?

if so,

[Show spoiler]you CAN use it, once you enter the door, hit L1 and pull out the pistol on him... then tell him you want to rob the basement by clicking the Up button...

he brings you down there, no need to point at him at this er.. point. just get down to the basement, shoot the chain thats linked to the wall. loot the gun on the far left then bail out quick.

i did tho,

1. rob the cash before going downstairs
2. get the gun before shooing the chain

because at one save point, the prisoner ran out AHEAD of me, and the door jammed the cashier register and me, leaving no space to get out. of course, another fella comes in and viola.... wanted.

[Chris60119]

Saw a ghost train riding my horse down the railroad tracks tonight! That was pretty cool!

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by Chris60119

Saw a ghost train riding my horse down the railroad tracks tonight! That was pretty cool!

That sounds cool. A real apparition of a train? Like a misty, transparent train? Any specific spot where it happened?

Originally Posted by Mandalorian

Finished Chapter 6 last night.

[Show spoiler]Wasn't ready for how emotional the impact of losing my thoroughbred that I caught and tamed at the start of Chapter 2 then Arthur shortly after would be, even though much of the latter half of the game was sad and bittersweet. We can debate how great the game is until the cows come home, but even if it has flaws, it's an exceptional piece of storytelling and living open world building, and one of my favorite games of all time. I haven't played RDR in years, and am not sure if I feel like starting it up as soon as I finish the epilogues for RDR2, so I won't even bother with saying which is better. I just know RDR2 is a 10/10 for me.

Definitely a solid story line despite the flaws of the otherwise, great game in RDR2. I never expected what happens in Epilogue 1, which is pretty cool.

Only big story disappointment I had is that Arthur got a letter from

[Show spoiler]Mary before getting close to the end, but I had no idea there was a way to reach her again after she rode off on the train with her brother, which the letter suggested was possible.

Thankfully I have a bunch of manual back up saves (autosave writes over your latest save file, so I shut it off), to see if I can activate that somehow. Maybe one of the stranger missions up north, which I ignored mostly in my effort to unlock the west.

Originally Posted by Leonidas_King

The game is so technically flawed and full of weird glitches though.

I hate it how night time swiftly changes to day time in a matter of seconds or vice versa all while doing missions. They really needed that GTA approach of doing certain missions at a certain time of day so it feels more realistically to the gaming experience.

It's good I'm not the only one who found glitches and technical issues that pop up here and there throughout the generally solid game. They do stand out and make me think about the glitch that's happening, more than the story unfolding, since they interrupt the story. It seems like Rockstar ran out of time to iron that stuff out surprisingly, even though not everyone might experience glitches.

Originally Posted by LegacyCosts

Been running train robberies without getting bounties. Game is even better not giving a damn about honor. Carrying a lantern through a black train in the tunnel stealing all the passengers money is so fun. Been playing as a murderous woodsman on the second playthrough. He even tells Molly how bad he feels about the acts im committing haha.

Second playthrough, that's impressive.
That is something how Arthur sits down to talk to someone at camp, and says all the bad things he's doing. He's a bandit, so it seems odd he would actually have a heart for doing good things, as he steals from people and kills anyone in his way throughout the missions.

The whole honor system seems flawed since he's a villain anyway, with maybe the only reason it's needed is to buy unique outfits in the store, and maybe get in less trouble with pedestrians.

Have you noticed any major differences in playing as a more evil character?

[Derb]

50% through the game.

While the game looks great & stacks up with the best games we’ve visually seen this generation, I’m finding the overall experience a chore as opposed to gameplay “fun” you’d think to expect from a RS title.

I will finish the game by the end of this year as a goal of mine but it’s been a drag just getting to where I am now.

[Batman90]

I’m 53% though the game and honestly the only problem I have with the game is the hunting and fishing. It shouldn’t be a choir to get a perfect pelt and it shouldn’t take long to catch the legendary fish.

[Leonidas King]

Originally Posted by jomari

are you talking about

[Show spoiler]the gunsmith in rhodes?

if so,

[Show spoiler]you CAN use it, once you enter the door, hit L1 and pull out the pistol on him... then tell him you want to rob the basement by clicking the Up button...

he brings you down there, no need to point at him at this er.. point. just get down to the basement, shoot the chain thats linked to the wall. loot the gun on the far left then bail out quick.

i did tho,

1. rob the cash before going downstairs
2. get the gun before shooing the chain

because at one save point, the prisoner ran out AHEAD of me, and the door jammed the cashier register and me, leaving no space to get out. of course, another fella comes in and viola.... wanted.

Thanks for the help. I did all of that but it still won't let me use the gun on him because you're not allowed to use weapons in that part of town, even get a popup notification

I believe is too late to save him anyway since a gunfight broke in the gunsmith much later in another mission.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by Derb

50% through the game.

While the game looks great & stacks up with the best games we’ve visually seen this generation, I’m finding the overall experience a chore as opposed to gameplay “fun” you’d think to expect from a RS title.

I will finish the game by the end of this year as a goal of mine but it’s been a drag just getting to where I am now.

The story is definitely a highlight of the game along with the open wilderness, and finally unlocking the old west is another big plus, revisiting all the old areas of the original RDR. There are a few fun missions in there scattered about, and the game seems to have a bit more mission variety than RDR1's original story.

Originally Posted by Batman90

I’m 53% though the game and honestly the only problem I have with the game is the hunting and fishing. It shouldn’t be a choir to get a perfect pelt and it shouldn’t take long to catch the legendary fish.

It sounds like there's a nice PS4 trophy for doing that, but I haven't tackled much except for hunting for food and stuff.

Speaking of food, has anyone fed the character enough to the point they get overweight? I'm guessing this isn't like GTA San Andreas, where you could make the character get very overweight.

[Leonidas King]

I have a lot of complaints about the game though because given the many years of development and the developer behind it you're set with this really high expectations.

I find it so irritating and frustrating running in tight spaces like bars, houses, etc and it doesn't help when the camera angles are so out of sync too.

[Chris60119]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

That sounds cool. A real apparition of a train? Like a misty, transparent train? Any specific spot where it happened?

I was doing the first race mission from Valentine to Rhodes. Its a mission to do in the Horsemans thing in the progress part of the start menu. Sorry, I'm at work and don't know the exact names in the start menu.

You have to race from Valentine to Rhodes is less then 5 minutes on horse to progress. Looking at the map the railroad was the most direct route. I ran that the entire way and thats when I saw the ghost train. It was coming right at me and I thought it was a normal train and moved out of the way, but when running next to it. It was all apparition like you mentioned, all white and ghostly. I wish I stayed on the track to see if it Arthur would just ride right through it. But it was still awesome!

Taking the tracks I made it easily in the 5 minutes

[ratandjmt]

Originally Posted by Derb

50% through the game.

While the game looks great & stacks up with the best games we’ve visually seen this generation, I’m finding the overall experience a chore as opposed to gameplay “fun” you’d think to expect from a RS title.

I feel like this at times as well. Simple things often seem to take too long in RDR2. When you get tasked to move this or that to a location on the other side of camp. I would not be walking in super slow motion to do that. A lot of the NPC animations take too long to be carried out. Playing cards is a good example. It shouldn't take the NPC that long to decide on a hand or for the dealer to pull all the cards back in for the next hand. After I've seen 5-10 deer get skinned I don't need to see that animation anymore. Let me turn the skinning animation off. I know these things are there to make the experience more immersive but this immersion is what makes the game boring for me. I been having more fun just riding around the map hunting and killing random animals and bandits. Maybe that's why I just started chapter 3.

[LegacyCosts]

You guys complain a lot for such an amazing game lol. Which open world game is better? Assasssins creed? Just kidding. I've played a lot of open world games and nothing comes close for me. The skinning is like 5 seconds long, is it that big of a deal?

Narratively the game doesn't change when you play without morals but the gameplay is very different in terms of doing whatever you want and not worrying about the consequences. Its freeing.

[Goodintentions]

Originally Posted by ratandjmt

I feel like this at times as well. Simple things often seem to take too long in RDR2. When you get tasked to move this or that to a location on the other side of camp. I would not be walking in super slow motion to do that. A lot of the NPC animations take too long to be carried out. Playing cards is a good example. It shouldn't take the NPC that long to decide on a hand or for the dealer to pull all the cards back in for the next hand. After I've seen 5-10 deer get skinned I don't need to see that animation anymore. Let me turn the skinning animation off. I know these things are there to make the experience more immersive but this immersion is what makes the game boring for me. I been having more fun just riding around the map hunting and killing random animals and bandits. Maybe that's why I just started chapter 3.

This is where my lack of time to really sit and play pays off .. because i don't get to sit there and just hammer away playing this for 3 or 4 hours in a sitting , i never get this feeling from the game ... so far my longest session was about an hour and 45 minutes ...most of which i spent fishing ..

[Vincanws]

Originally Posted by LegacyCosts

You guys complain a lot for such an amazing game lol. Which open world game is better? Assasssins creed? Just kidding. I've played a lot of open world games and nothing comes close for me. The skinning is like 5 seconds long, is it that big of a deal?

Assassin's Creed Odyssey is actually a very good open world release. That aside, I don't get a lot of the RDR2 complaints either, the game is as I expected it would be so far, especially the pacing of everything.

[Leonidas King]

Horizon Zero Dawn still has the best open world as of recent.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by LegacyCosts

You guys complain a lot for such an amazing game lol. Which open world game is better? Assasssins creed? Just kidding. I've played a lot of open world games and nothing comes close for me. The skinning is like 5 seconds long, is it that big of a deal?

Narratively the game doesn't change when you play without morals but the gameplay is very different in terms of doing whatever you want and not worrying about the consequences. Its freeing.

Maybe it doesn't change much narratively (aside from lines of dialogue, and the ending confrontation/cutscene), but I was fully caught up in Arthur's redemption story, so I felt bad whenever I accidentally did something that earned me negative honor.

As for best open worlds, this is easily the most alive open world I've ever played in. I can respect people not enjoying it as much as me, but all the technical nitpicks don't hold a candle to the plethora of polished detail this game has to offer. Spider-Man, Horizon Zero Dawn and Assassin's Creed Origins (not sure if God of War counts) were the last few open world games I played, and I loved all of them. RDR2 is its own beast.

[LegacyCosts]

Originally Posted by Leonidas_King

Horizon Zero Dawn still has the best open world as of recent.

HZD is a great game but certainly doesn't have the character depth or dynamic world that red dead 2 has. Its kind of an unfair comparison when stacked next to each other. HZD is the best exclusive on the ps4, I haven't played god of war 4, spiderman, persona though but still. Amazing game.

The moody music when you commit evil acts is fantastic. Kinda waiting on that vinyl release already. IT'd probably be like an 8 vinyl set for 300 bucks. Worth

[Zivouhr]

RDR1 and 2 are both great open world games overall, though RDR1 is the more polished title with fewer glitches on the first release (without patches or updates). Even so, I know I'll be playing RDR2 more often because of the even more amazing scenery and wilderness to explore. Unlocking the southwest was a big highlight, but I just wish it didn't take till nearly the end of the game to do. But I see why they did it that way.

Originally Posted by Leonidas_King

I have a lot of complaints about the game though because given the many years of development and the developer behind it you're set with this really high expectations.

I find it so irritating and frustrating running in tight spaces like bars, houses, etc and it doesn't help when the camera angles are so out of sync too.

When pressed for time, those things do add up, I hear what you're saying. Especially when you have 6 wolves to take care of and the sun is setting fast. In real life, if would take a lot longer, but I agree that since this is a video game, it would be welcome if they had a skip button. Valid point.

Originally Posted by Chris60119

I was doing the first race mission from Valentine to Rhodes. Its a mission to do in the Horsemans thing in the progress part of the start menu. Sorry, I'm at work and don't know the exact names in the start menu.

You have to race from Valentine to Rhodes is less then 5 minutes on horse to progress. Looking at the map the railroad was the most direct route. I ran that the entire way and thats when I saw the ghost train. It was coming right at me and I thought it was a normal train and moved out of the way, but when running next to it. It was all apparition like you mentioned, all white and ghostly. I wish I stayed on the track to see if it Arthur would just ride right through it. But it was still awesome!

Taking the tracks I made it easily in the 5 minutes

That sounds cool, thanks for discovering it. I'd love to see that at night in the darkness. Maybe it'll glow at night. I'll try to discover the ghost train and how to make it show up. Thanks Chris.

Originally Posted by LegacyCosts

You guys complain a lot for such an amazing game lol. Which open world game is better? Assasssins creed? Just kidding. I've played a lot of open world games and nothing comes close for me. The skinning is like 5 seconds long, is it that big of a deal?

Narratively the game doesn't change when you play without morals but the gameplay is very different in terms of doing whatever you want and not worrying about the consequences. Its freeing.

Constructive complaints are a good thing when they help improve an already solid, quality game such as RDR2. If Rockstar gets a list of the things that need improving, they can add that to the next patch update, especially for a lot of the glitches found, and interactive concerns that affect the flow of the game.

But I definitely understand that you're seeing all of the great things about RDR2, and I've been there too in the past, with games like Fallout 3, where I was able to overlook the blotchy, muddy graphics up close, and marvel at how immersive of a video game open world experience that was.

As a big fan of RDR1, RDR2 is a nice revisit to the old west and I was very happy to see John have a significant role in the gang and so on. Arthur is a great, well rounded character with a well developed story arch. I'll be honest, I wasn't a fan of Dutch, but the voice actor was excellent making him into a gradually unsympathetic villain. Generally great voice acting with the exception of Jack, John's son, where his initial voice in the camp sounds like a woman who altered the pitch on the sound recording. Just strange they took that route instead of hiring a kid voice actor, since Rockstar has plenty of money. But maybe I'm wrong about the voice source, though it did take me out of the game a bit when he talked.


Getting back into the old south west after unlocking it, I love the forest up there past Blackwater. It reminds me of Endor forest from the Ewoks Star Wars. Really awesome since it's a deep forest that goes on for awhile, giving you the sense you could get lost in there without a map or compass. The rest of the game, there aren't any forests that are so extensive as that one.

[KB24SD]

Originally Posted by LegacyCosts

You guys complain a lot for such an amazing game lol. Which open world game is better? Assasssins creed? Just kidding. I've played a lot of open world games and nothing comes close for me. The skinning is like 5 seconds long, is it that big of a deal?

Narratively the game doesn't change when you play without morals but the gameplay is very different in terms of doing whatever you want and not worrying about the consequences. Its freeing.

In this thread. You can tell how they post & reply in here and other threads.

Glad I'm not apart of and was not born in that generation.