Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

My Grandfather was a projectionist. I fell in love with film as a very young boy.

Originally Posted by Ender14

I worked as a projectionist for several years in the 90's and the early 00's and it is still the best job I've ever had. I always said I would do it until the day I died if it paid better. I actually looked forward to going to work, which is not something I have been able to say since.

Of course projectionists don't even exist anymore (at least not for the big chains) since everything has moved to digital. But I still have a box of trailers on 35mm film that I collected over the years. I am all for improving technology and innovation, but it is sad some of the things we lose as a result.

I was a Projectionist too, not in a Theater but in Junior High School. I was in this class that handled setting up the Projectors in classrooms to show Movies and Training Films for the Teachers. It was fun and interesting setting up the Projector, Screen, and Sound. I also learned how to splice the Film when it got damaged. Saw a lot of good Movies like Mutiny on the Bounty with Clark Gable. Also some good times!

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Vilya

What a colossally stupid thing to say, even for you. You have no idea what gear other forum members use, yet alone the quality of it. As you do not even have a home theater surround sound system by any definition, you are the last person here qualified to speak about them. Of course, your ignorance has never silenced you before, so why would it now?

As you don't even own a 4K disc player, and have no ability to play 4K discs, you can not speak to the quality of that, either. Quality in movies is not even remotely "first and foremost" for someone like you. Convenient, cheap, and "good enough" defines every aspect of your approach to movies.

Last I checked my discs are in their cases on my shelves; they are not on any servers.

The distribution method is far from being the only difference. Discs have better quality with bitrates as much as 8 times higher than the best that streaming offers, lossless audio in many instances, true ownership, and zero dependence upon an ISP.

Streaming has not increased their bitrates in over 3 years; there is no indication that they have any plans to do so anytime soon. If they ever do, it will use more bandwidth and that will all but certainly increase the cost of your ISP.

Everyone pays to play, so thanks for stating the obvious. Your ISP isn't going to get any cheaper, either, and you are fully dependent upon it for your movies. I only need it to order more discs and I could get by with a far lower cost plan if I so choose.

The gear won't cost you much because you are content with a decent TV and wireless headphones; many of us have true home theaters, despite your unqualified assessment to the contrary, replete with multi-channel AVRs, or separate amps, multiple input devices, and an array of speakers throughout the room. I have 11 input devices connected to my AVR alone; seems pretty real to me.

Wendell does have a very impressive home theater, but I bet even he will tell you that it is not "state of the art." He has some very nice stuff, but it is not the best of the best by any measure. It is possible to spend $1 million on a single pair of speakers alone- that is someone who can truly say they made no compromises. The link below will show you some speakers starting at $80,000 per pair all the way up to the 7 figure monsters. You'll need some power amps to drive them, too; the second link will show you some amps starting at just $140,800 for two channels. Plan your budget now!

https://www.octaneseating.com/most-e...eater-speakers

https://www.aperionaudio.com/blogs/a...s-in-the-world

Almost everyone says "good enough", including Wendell. Only some people, like you, say it far earlier than most of us here on these forums.

Thank you! I was reading that and thought...uh, what?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Groot

Thank you! I was reading that and thought...uh, what?

[Show spoiler]

Yeah, talk about making ASSumptions!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Wendell you're the only one in our group that truly has a Home Theater, and can say that Quality in Movies is first and formost on their list. The rest of the Disc people just have to say it's "Good Enough or Good for Now." We all have priorities and have to compromise whether on Disc or Digital. I keep saying it's all Digital and Stored on Servers, and the only difference is the Distribution. Streaming has come a long way, and so has the Quality and I say it will get even better. For the true Collector and High End HT Discs will be available, but you will have to "Pay to Play!"

What are you talking about? I have spent thousands on my HT?

Have you been in the Twilight Zone for the last Seven years?

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Sorry for the late reply, I’ve been preoccupied with a new job and the training required for it. Something dropped in our laps unexpectedly. So I wasn’t able to track one down like I’d hoped. My KS8000 doesn’t support DV, so that isn’t that important to me in a UHD player.

Sorry you missed out on that sale, could be Best Buy or Amazon will mark down the UBP-X800 on Black Friday.

I need a new player for a bedroom and wanted to rack mount my UBP-X800 in a EIA 19" rack. About the time I was ready to order another player and rack kit I got a notice from B&H Photo they were going to start collecting tax for NC on 11/01 and Sony was ending the sale price ($498.00) on 11/17 for the UBP-X1000ES. So I ordered it because it came with rack mounting and moved the UBP-X800 to the bedroom. Sorta forced into a quick decision.

Good luck with your new job, hope works out well for you!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

What are you talking about? I have spent thousands on my HT?

Have you been in the Twilight Zone for the last Seven years?

I have as well. And tens of thousands on my movie collection.

According to that nitwit, you must at the minimum own a projector. So sayeth the "expert" who doesn't own a home theater, doesn't own a 4K disc player, and who thinks that everything digital is the same thing because, well, it's digital.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Wendell you're the only one in our group that truly has a Home Theater

Several links in this post.

I believe you meant well but there are folks at Blu-ray.com and AVS with really fine setups as well. One being Glimmie, have conversed with him several times of the course of many years. IIRC, at one time he was the Director of Engineering at Deluxe, the last I knew he had moved to Techicolor. A interview with him linked below. Another fine setup here is by Kris Deering, Technical Editor/Writer Sound and Vision Magazine. This is just a couple of samples.

I try to avoid measuring contest, I have joked with Vilya about “size matters” when talking about projectors and screen size. It is fairly easy to look around and find someone with a BBT.

My asset: electronics, wood working, carpenter, painter, mud and tape, sanding, plumber, electrician, etc. A jack of all trades, master of none. The spouse and I did EVERYTHING in our theater except install the carpet and hang some of the drywall. I’m OK with doing most everything except fiberglass, that stuff eats me up.

An example of DIY, at one time all my loudspeakers were DIY, the DIY sub-woofer was replaced by 2 HSU subs, the overheads are comerical grade JBL ceiling speakers. At work I had a couple of colleagues that was into loudspeakers and between us and the work place we procured quite a few drivers to test including the likes of: Audax, Dynaudio, Morel, Peerless, Seas and Vifa. This allowed me to pick from some of the best drivers in a given price range for my DIY loudspeakers. A huge help was Bass Box Pro and X•over Pro computer software.

Home Theater of the Month: The GMG Theater - YouTube

[Vilya]

As I am a big fan of 3D content, a day may come when a projector is my only option. I am pretty certain that I will buy a 4K projector someday, but the current lack of HDR and Dolby Vision support and the current prices for a good unit have kept me on the sidelines. I think it pays to wait on 4K projectors as the prices will likely come down and perhaps HDR and Dolby Vision support will yet happen.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Sorry you missed out on that sale, could be Best Buy or Amazon will mark down the UBP-X800 on Black Friday.

I need a new player for a bedroom and wanted to rack mount my UBP-X800 in a EIA 19" rack. About the time I was ready to order another player and rack kit I got a notice from B&H Photo they were going to start collecting tax for NC on 11/01 and Sony was ending the sale price ($498.00) on 11/17 for the UBP-X1000ES. So I ordered it because it came with rack mounting and moved the UBP-X800 to the bedroom. Sorta forced into a quick decision.

Good luck with your new job, hope works out well for you!

Thanks you. If I could get out of the shadow of my trainer/coworker I’d be a happier man. I’m tired of hearing the word “can’t” No worries on the player. Worse case scenario I’ll upgrade my Xbox once I see another exclusive console that catches my eye. Although part of me wants a stand alone UHD player despite my front room’s layout. Right now I have my KS8 Series sitting on the mantle of our fireplace and the rest on our bar.

Eventually I want to get a smaller table or cabinet to rest underneath the window. It is definitely a work in progress until I can get around to the attic being remodeled. Which involves a lot of time and money I’ve got going elsewhere at the moment. Nothing necessarily to do with the discussion outside of be too tired to watch anything digital or physical at this point. Closest I got was watching a Tom Segura special on Netflix and The Good Place on the NBC app with my Mrs on Monday

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Thanks you. If I could get out of the shadow of my trainer/coworker I’d be a happier man. I’m tired of hearing the word “can’t” No worries on the player. Worse case scenario I’ll upgrade my Xbox once I see another exclusive console that catches my eye. Although part of me wants a stand alone UHD player despite my front room’s layout. Right now I have my KS8 Series sitting on the mantle of our fireplace and the rest on our bar.

Eventually I want to get a smaller table or cabinet to rest underneath the window. It is definitely a work in progress until I can get around to the attic being remodeled. Which involves a lot of time and money I’ve got going elsewhere at the moment. Nothing necessarily to do with the discussion outside of be too tired to watch anything digital or physical at this point. Closest I got was watching a Tom Segura special on Netflix and The Good Place on the NBC app with my Mrs on Monday

Looks nice and welcome back.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Wendell you're the only one in our group that truly has a Home Theater, and can say that Quality in Movies is first and formost on their list. The rest of the Disc people just have to say it's "Good Enough or Good for Now." We all have priorities and have to compromise whether on Disc or Digital. I keep saying it's all Digital and Stored on Servers, and the only difference is the Distribution. Streaming has come a long way, and so has the Quality and I say it will get even better. For the true Collector and High End HT Discs will be available, but you will have to "Pay to Play!"

Even though I might be late to respond, I feel compelled to share some perspective here. I am not sure exactly what necessitates inclusion in “Our group” but I must admit that I usually check in at least every other day, even though there is a Groundhog Day element to some of the conversation, I still follow the dialog, but don’t always weigh in.

I know there are a lot of proud home theater owners on this forum with myself certainly being one of them....even meeting your definition of what constitutes a home theater.

And some perspective would be the fact that I own a pair of speaker cables which run to my tweeters that cost more than your entire setup, so please try to understand the audience when you speak about equipment and home theater in general.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Wendell you're the only one in our group that truly has a Home Theater, and can say that Quality in Movies is first and foremost on their list.

Originally Posted by Vilya

You have no idea what gear other forum members use, yet alone the quality of it.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I believe you meant well but there are folks at Blu-ray.com and AVS with really fine setups as well. One being Glimmie, have conversed with him several times of the course of many years. IIRC, at one time he was the Director of Engineering at Deluxe, the last I knew he had moved to Techicolor. A interview with him linked below. Another fine setup here is by Kris Deering, Technical Editor/Writer Sound and Vision Magazine. This is just a couple of samples.

Don't kill the messenger, when I said Group, I meant our tight group here on this Thread. Where we should respect each other and avoid name calling, Vilya. I guess you guys have a short memory, I was going by John Sciacca from Sound&Vision. Where he says a Media Room is multi-use and a HT is a Purpose-Design Room for watching Movies.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...takes-part-one

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Don't kill the messenger, when I said Group, I meant our tight group here on this Thread. Where we should respect each other and avoid name calling, Vilya. I guess you guys have a short memory, I was going by John Sciacca from Sound&Vision. Where he says a Media Room is multi-use and a HT is a Purpose-Design Room for watching Movies.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...takes-part-one

You know nothing about the rooms where we have our equipment set-up, either, nor what we do in them. You make assumptions and jump to conclusions routinely. Further, this distinction between a media room and a home theater is splitting hairs and largely a matter of semantics. The author is primarily concerned with common design mistakes in creating an ideal movie viewing environment.

I can locate my home theater equipment in a room of my choosing and use that space for as many purposes as I like; doing so in no way lessens the quality of my equipment.

If you want respect, then earn it. You can start by thinking about what you write before you post it. You said that only one of our regular thread contributors had a "true" home theater and that he alone put the quality of movies "first and foremost." That's a bunch of nonsense and any rational person would have known it and not posted such an absurd comment, not even once, but in your case this is the second time that you have done exactly that. You did this a second time because you wanted a reaction. Repeat offenses earn harsher rebuttals.

You are the last person qualified to make any judgments about the home theaters of anyone here nor the quality of our movie libraries. You do not know what we own; you do not know where we have it located, and you do not own a home theater by any definition. You do not own a 4K disc player and you do not buy any discs at all, according to your repeated statements, yet you feel justified in telling anyone that they do not put the quality of movies "first and foremost?" You judging anyone's gear, or their library, is laughable. Speak only to what you know and you will avoid such fiascos going forward.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Don't kill the messenger, when I said Group, I meant our tight group here on this Thread. Where we should respect each other and avoid name calling, Vilya. I guess you guys have a short memory, I was going by John Sciacca from Sound&Vision. Where he says a Media Room is multi-use and a HT is a Purpose-Design Room for watching Movies.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...takes-part-one

Your post was still a nonsense. I’m not going to name call I’m just going to be straight with you. It was a daft post. I have a 4K projector, I have a surround set up, I have a dedicated room for all my HT equipment. Who are you to say that’s not a proper HT? It 100% IS a HT setup. I have a LG 4K OLED in my living room for the record.

I’m pretty sure Groot also has a projector and several other members on here.

I’m disappointed in you Alchav. For all your controversial posts (and many consider hundreds of mine controversial) this is the first time I have actually thought that you are (in my opinion) trolling here.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You know nothing about the rooms where we have our equipment set-up, either, nor what we do in them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z0c...e=youtu.be&t=8

(just kidding with you )


In all seriousness (and correct me if I am wrong), isn't Alchav still using some kind of sound system from the 80s? Of all people to be making comments on what constitutes a legit modern set up, it is NOT him.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Some good, bad news from the Bits:

Also today, we have an update on the availability of Warner Bros. Home Entertainment’s 2001: A Space Odyssey in 4K Ultra HD. The title had been delayed from 10/30 to 11/20. Now we’re hearing from readers that retailers are telling them to expect the title on 12/18.

The delay appears to be due to a lack of replication capacity. That’s not uncommon going into the holiday season, but it appears to be worse this year. So adjust your plans accordingly.

Bad in that titles are delayed, good in it means they are pressing a lot of disc.


For me, I will be interested in reviews about the remix of the Dolby Atmos sound track. Air Force One UHD/4K has received a favorable review for a A/V uptick.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Some good, bad news from the Bits:

Bad in that titles are delayed, good in it means they are pressing a lot of disc.


For me, I will be interested in reviews about the remix of the Dolby Atmos sound track. Air Force One UHD/4K has received a favorable review for a A/V uptick.

In another thread, I think in the 2001 4K thread, someone posted a comment saying that Technicolor wanted disc replication to be done in the U.S., causing production to be shifted from disc pressing plants in Mexico to here and with the problem being that the plant in the U.S. lacking the capacity to handle all of that extra demand- at least for now.

It was also postulated that pressing priority goes to new releases first, then TV shows, Box sets, and last of all: catalog titles. I have not checked into this to verify any of it, so I can not attest to its veracity.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z0c...e=youtu.be&t=8


(just kidding with you )


In all seriousness (and correct me if I am wrong), isn't Alchav still using some kind of sound system from the 80s? Of all people to be making comments on what constitutes a legit modern set up, it is NOT him.

He uses wireless headphones. I do not care how he listens to anything, but I take exception when he decides to lecture others about what constitutes a "true" home theater and on surround sound systems in general. I take further umbrage when he tells those of us with disc libraries that we do not put the quality of movies "first and foremost" while he only streams content and does not even own a 4K disc player. At one time, his requirements for owning a "true" home theater stipulated that you MUST own a projector system despite the fact that no projector system offers the best in picture quality. They simply offer the largest images, but by no means the best.

I still want one someday because we all know that size matters.

He is in no position to evaluate either home theaters or movie collections because he does not even have the former, by any definition, and he does not buy or play discs. He spouts his silly opinions about things he does not even have while also "anointing" a single select forum member as the sole "true" believer in home theaters and movie collections. He is judging what he does not even have himself while also not even knowing what other forum members here own. It is ASSumption on his part, and as he has done this twice now, mixed with complete ignorance of the subject itself.

[PCFan]

Originally Posted by jess1581

Sure there's a benefit to digital. No worries about room clutter of physical media... But Beast didn't get the Beauty booty by showing her his Kindle Fire.

And sure, you don't have to get up off the recliner and strain your back putting a disc on a tray. Big whoop.

Isn't it common for a person to buy the disc just to watch the movie once then resell their disc after they are done watching it? If they frequently resell their discs after watching them then cluttering is not an issue.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by PCFan

Isn't it common for a person to buy the disc just to watch the movie once then resell their disc after they are done watching it? If they frequently resell their discs after watching them then cluttering is not an issue.

Seems like a lot of work to watch a movie one time on disc