Yikes! 300 sells 250K copies since 7/31

[WickyWoo]

How many of these discs did they make for this title? If the highest-selling title to date has really been "The Departed" and it sold 100k over the course of several months, why would Warner have 250k discs of "300" ready to go for the first week of release?

300 is tailor made to both HD porn *****s and the gamer crowd more than any other new release since the HD war began. There's no doubt in my mind I would have run at least 200K, and they probably ran 300 (rimshot)

My personal prediction, IF THE ANECDOTES ON FORUMS ARE CORRECT is about 160-170K for Blu.

[doctorsteve]

Yeah, I'm not up on the numbers... last I heard the DuD number was at 100000. That's why I asked.

[nhaase]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

Yeah, I'm not up on the numbers... last I heard the DuD number was at 100000. That's why I asked.

Cool, I wasn't trying to be mean, just pointing out the problem. Interesting to note, the add-on is the single best selling "player" for them. It's sold about 150k, while the others combined have only sold ~150k.

But, to make sure this thread stays on topic of the 300 sales in HD: Anyone have quotes from HD fanboys about projecting which format sold better?

[CptGreedle]

Originally Posted by nhaase

Cool, I wasn't trying to be mean, just pointing out the problem. Interesting to note, the add-on is the single best selling "player" for them. It's sold about 150k, while the others combined have only sold ~150k.

But, to make sure this thread stays on topic of the 300 sales in HD: Anyone have quotes from HD fanboys about projecting which format sold better?

Yet even with the brand new XBOX price drop and the add-on price drop, the PS3 is still cheaper (if you were to buy both for the 360).

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by nhaase

Ken Graffeo will probably be very happy, too, since he will have a good excuse to charge more LSD to Universal's account to help him hallucinate while thinking of ways to spin it.

LOL!

Yeah, Warner is at least coming through loud and clear that they think everyone should be neutral. Their reasons are, of course, to thrust their IP (Total HD) onto everyone to support this nirvana of their's. But, no matter why it is, Warner is no ally to Universal.

Gary

[The Big Blue]

Originally Posted by nhaase

But, to make sure this thread stays on topic of the 300 sales in HD: Anyone have quotes from HD fanboys about projecting which format sold better?

oh my gosh all you blu boys need to go get a life for real who cares if it sold more on blu or hd dvd this is just great news for the high def industry then you try to spin it and yes since warner bros has the top five in sales this probabley will push more companies to go neutral. Im pretty sure that the poinit of a bussiness is to make money and it looks like the neutral company is making the most!

[dialog_gvf]

Bottom line: If neutrality is the way, then Universal has the most incentive to to it first, and soon.

But, that isn't what they mean. They want everyone else to go neutral and Universal to hold out. It's a BS last gasp attempt to win the war through subtrafuge.

Gary

[Iceman_II]

oh my gosh all you blu boys need to go get a life for real who cares if it sold more on blu or hd dvd this is just great news for the high def industry then you try to spin it and yes since warner bros has the top five in sales this probabley will push more companies to go neutral. Im pretty sure that the poinit of a bussiness is to make money and it looks like the neutral company is making the most!

I am sure warner is making more than Disney - NOT!

It would be an interesting comparison of the total sales of Universal since inception versus the total sales of Disney since inception... than take those numbers, and compare them to Warners... It could be VERY enlightening

[tvted]

Originally Posted by Iceman_II

I would disagree, I don't think it COST any sales, it only deferred sales.

I personally have no interest in 300 beyond rental but given some of the comments I've read in this thread, specifically that there are many PS3 owners who've yet to purchase BDs, it makes me wonder if WB has not been instrumental in helping nudge awake the sleeping giant that is the PS3 hardware base? Its been shown that many BD purchases are not day of - exhibiting "longer legs" so to speak.

How many PS3 owners, who though owning a console for some while now, have become first-time BD purchasers and will now consider something like TRANSFORMERS and will look to older titles like PIRATES? If HD-DVD owners tend to purchase early then it will be interesting to see the figures for 300 on the 17th. If they tank relative to 300 for BD, rdjam will have to wait awhile before he restates his claim that we should be viewing the numbers two weeks hence, not 1 week as is now the method.

ted

[WickyWoo]

Frankly I believe everything I've seen so far says to me this

Last week may not have the greatest split the way we want it

HOWEVER

I am fully convinced that if HD did sell 100K, they've pretty much tapped their market, and watch for 300 HD to sink like a stone, while the Blu will remain steady

[atdm71]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

So, the Blu-ray version kicked ass, and they are trying to sell the board and shareholders why they should continue supporting HD DVD.

Gary

AMEN! You put is perfectly. It is really dissappointing to see that Warner didn't give a breakout on the sales volumes. I haven't read the rest of this thread yet, but there's gotta be another source?

[nhaase]

Originally Posted by atdm71

AMEN! You put is perfectly. It is really dissappointing to see that Warner didn't give a breakout on the sales volumes. I haven't read the rest of this thread yet, but there's gotta be another source?

Right now, no. If there was another source, we would of course be discussing those hard format-specific numbers. If we don't get a source by Friday, the Nielsen numbers will tell the tale. It will be even better, since we won't have to deal with just an index, we can convert that into somewhat hard numbers (of course they didn't sell 250k on the dot most likely, but we get a ball-park figure).

[atdm71]

Originally Posted by nhaase

Right now, no. If there was another source, we would of course be discussing those hard format-specific numbers. If we don't get a source by Friday, the Nielsen numbers will tell the tale. It will be even better, since we won't have to deal with just an index, we can convert that into somewhat hard numbers (of course they didn't sell 250k on the dot most likely, but we get a ball-park figure).

Right on, I'll be watching closely and in eager anticipation of Friday's Nielsen numbers. This won't persuade anybody to support both formats in as much as it will persuade Universal to open up to the significant amount of Blu-ray money they are just leaving on the table. I wouldn't be suprised to see Universal charge Toshiba back on the opportunity costs!! -- ha ha

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

70 is 233% of 30, but is 133% more than 30.

So, you could say "Universal could have 233% of current sales" or "Universal could see an increase of 133% in sales" and mean the exact same thing.

No, if they go neutral they will go from 30 to 100, so they would see a 233% increase in sales, or you can say they would have 333% of current sales.

Now, if you are discussing Universal switching exclusively to Blu, the numbers would be correct. Isn't it ironic, that Universal will actually gain more by switching to Blu than Disney would by going neutral!

enjoy
gandalf

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by gand41f

No, if they go neutral they will go from 30 to 100, so they would see a 233% increase in sales, or you can say they would have 333% of current sales.

See, even I screw up.

Yeah, you have it right. Universal is refusing to grab >3x their current sales. While all the BD exclusive's could gain is another 42%.

Considering Universal grabbing for the ring would eliminate the need for any of the BD studios to go neutral, I'm sure they all see than now as an actual RISK, even if they were interested. All those costs of adapting a neutral stance would be wasted by one move from Universal that is clearly in their financial best interest.

Apparently Universal doesn't want any of the HD disc market in Japan, and only 1/3 the market (or less) elsewhere.

Maybe they can figure how to get out of the movie business too (assuming their efforts the last few years aren't actually deliberate. )

Gary

[atomik kinder]

As we all know, Amazon has no bearing on the real world of Blu-ray and HD DVD sales, but, the Blu-ray is still holding strong at the number 3 position and HD DVD is at....Oh, I was going to say 10 but I wanted to be accurate and checked again, now it is 11. Could be interesting to see what come up for the following week too since the releases this week don't seem to be as strong as 300. It wouldn't surprise me if the BD was number one again. (Of course we don't know that the BD will be number one this week )

[AustinSTI]

According to reports on AVS WHV has stated the break out is as follows:

Blu : 65%
HD-DVD : 35%

Link: http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusio...p?post/827379/

[Blu_J]

Originally Posted by atomik kinder

As we all know, Amazon has no bearing on the real world of Blu-ray and HD DVD sales, but, the Blu-ray is still holding strong at the number 3 position and HD DVD is at....Oh, I was going to say 10 but I wanted to be accurate and checked again, now it is 11. Could be interesting to see what come up for the following week too since the releases this week don't seem to be as strong as 300. It wouldn't surprise me if the BD was number one again. (Of course we don't know that the BD will be number one this week )

HD blew it's load all in one shot. Blu has the stamina to keep going and going and...

[Jim L]

Originally Posted by atomik kinder

As we all know, Amazon has no bearing on the real world of Blu-ray and HD DVD sales, but, the Blu-ray is still holding strong at the number 3 position and HD DVD is at....Oh, I was going to say 10 but I wanted to be accurate and checked again, now it is 11. Could be interesting to see what come up for the following week too since the releases this week don't seem to be as strong as 300. It wouldn't surprise me if the BD was number one again. (Of course we don't know that the BD will be number one this week )

That shows the relative strength of Blu-ray vs H-DUD. I've noticed that on new releases, H-DUD peters out a lot faster.

Well, I hope that the Nielson numbers look good for us on Friday.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by AustinSTI

According to reports on AVS WHV has stated the break out is as follows:

Blu : 65%
HD-DVD : 35%

Link: http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusio...p?post/827379/

i believe thats a very reasonable and believeable estimate. so we are looking at about 165k Blu-ray, 85k HD DVD. on 5top of the sell outs and the fact that the blu-ray versions of flicks usually stay steady while hd dvd plummets. blu-ray will hit 200k when HD DVD hits 100k, i nice 2:1 advantage.