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Old 01-03-2019, 11:35 PM   #701
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Watched this for the first time the other day. It looked great in DV and was the first thing I watched in itso that was a plus. Movie was a little too slow and illogical for my tastes though. Definitely not bad per se, but not really my type of movie. I think after all the hype it was hard not for me to be disappointed though.
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Old 01-04-2019, 12:33 AM   #702
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Watched this for the first time the other day. It looked great in DV and was the first thing I watched in itso that was a plus. Movie was a little too slow and illogical for my tastes though. Definitely not bad per se, but not really my type of movie. I think after all the hype it was hard not for me to be disappointed though.
I think you had to see it in a theater to really get the effect the silence had on an entire audience. I've heard many others describe the same experience I had... total silence from the audience. It was a strange phenomenon to witness how quiet everyone was being.

I'm sure the experience is quite different at home.
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Old 01-04-2019, 01:09 AM   #703
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I think you had to see it in a theater to really get the effect the silence had on an entire audience. I've heard many others describe the same experience I had... total silence from the audience. It was a strange phenomenon to witness how quiet everyone was being.

I'm sure the experience is quite different at home.
It's a neat gimmick and all, and for what it is, its crafted well, I'm not denying that. Overall though, like I said it just wasnt my type of movie. Dont think seeing it in the theater would have really changed that.

The only movies I see in the theater are Star Wars, and that's mostly to avoid spoilers. Otherwise I just cant justify the cost, by the time you've bought everything its more expensive then the disc is. Besides the screen being bigger, I'm not really missing much.
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:59 PM   #704
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If it's not your type of movie, that's understandable. There's not one movie that is pleasing to 100% of the viewers and at least you are able to admit it achieved it's intent. Still, gimmick or not, a bigger screen is just not it, the entire auditory experience is part of the experience of the film. As Cymbol mentioned, when I saw this in theaters, the entire theater was absolutely silent for the duration of the film. That's never happened before for me. People who bought popcorn or beverages pretty much didn't touch their concessions for fear of making too much noise. People hardly even shifted in their seats. I can't recall the last time I've seen a movie have that much engagement over an audience's experience.

I fear that the general populace watching this at home are NOT doing this film justice (not saying you didn't). Proper surround sound and volume are far more important to a film like this. The idea that less is more went a very long way when it came to this film's audio. The subtle differences whenever we followed Krasinski's deaf daughter's perspective versus any other character were meticulously planned. This experience heightened the other perspectives when you got to hear and experience the subtleties and nuances of the ambiance that she was missing. Also, the notion that silence is equally as important, if not more important can be lost much, much easier if you are not in the right setting when watching the film.
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Old 01-04-2019, 05:40 PM   #705
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If it's not your type of movie, that's understandable. There's not one movie that is pleasing to 100% of the viewers and at least you are able to admit it achieved it's intent. Still, gimmick or not, a bigger screen is just not it, the entire auditory experience is part of the experience of the film. As Cymbol mentioned, when I saw this in theaters, the entire theater was absolutely silent for the duration of the film. That's never happened before for me. People who bought popcorn or beverages pretty much didn't touch their concessions for fear of making too much noise. People hardly even shifted in their seats. I can't recall the last time I've seen a movie have that much engagement over an audience's experience.

I fear that the general populace watching this at home are NOT doing this film justice (not saying you didn't). Proper surround sound and volume are far more important to a film like this. The idea that less is more went a very long way when it came to this film's audio. The subtle differences whenever we followed Krasinski's deaf daughter's perspective versus any other character were meticulously planned. This experience heightened the other perspectives when you got to hear and experience the subtleties and nuances of the ambiance that she was missing. Also, the notion that silence is equally as important, if not more important can be lost much, much easier if you are not in the right setting when watching the film.
Even though I caved and bought it on holiday sale for its Atmos track, I found AQP's logical lapses to be teeth grindingly bad. As in, the film's conceit only worked if you turned your brain completely off.
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Old 01-04-2019, 05:58 PM   #706
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Even though I caved and bought it on holiday sale for its Atmos track, I found AQP's logical lapses to be teeth grindingly bad. As in, the film's conceit only worked if you turned your brain completely off.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:01 PM   #707
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Even though I caved and bought it on holiday sale for its Atmos track, I found AQP's logical lapses to be teeth grindingly bad. As in, the film's conceit only worked if you turned your brain completely off.
I think what seems logical for us is not the same as what might seem logical if given their situation.

I'm sure what seem like easy choices for us may not be as easy of a choice for them in that situation. Just a couple examples,
[Show spoiler]"Why not just go live by the waterfall?" "why try to live a normal life and risk everything because of it?" "Why did Kraskinski's character feel he needed to sacrifice himself unnecessarily to save his kids?"
Ultimately, I just feel like I can relate because I reflect upon myself as a family man. I've made decisions that are not necessarily the most logical when it comes to my children or family, but I've done/am doing the best that I can. I've made mistakes and made decisions that were seeded more in emotion rather than logic. To think that I would make "better" choices or "right" choices if given their situation is kind of pretentious of me.

I mean, how logical is it for me to spend thousands upon thousands upon thousands of dollars on this hobby and video games when I could be using it in better ways for my family? It may seem more logical to you, me, and us collectively on this forum, but someone who is not? Incredibly illogical and completely wasteful.
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His actions were logical, you may need to give this another watch and pick up on a few key details.
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[Show spoiler]- monster is INCHES away from Emily Blunt SCREAMING!!! and it runs away because of fireworks. That scene was an insult to me and probably the best example of how lazy Krasinski's script is.

- If monsters are so easy to lure, how is it possible they weren't all killed in a simple traps?

- nobody, NOBODY thought that creatures who have incredibly sensitive sense of hearing can be hurt by specific type of sound? Seriously?

- EVERYWHERE around the house there are countless things that hang or stand like nothing happened, they can be easily dropped or fall over making sound


To me it was the dumbest movie I've seen in 2018... until I watched A Wrinkle In Time.
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Old 01-04-2019, 07:53 PM   #710
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It's genre. These refrigerator movies can always be picked apart afterward (i.e. the parents were dumb af in the opening scene alone for
[Show spoiler]letting the kids walk behind them, rather than in front where they could keep an eye on them
), but I thought this one worked well enough in the moment. You either buy into the central premise and go along for the ride, or you don't.
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[Show spoiler]- monster is INCHES away from Emily Blunt SCREAMING!!! and it runs away because of fireworks. That scene was an insult to me and probably the best example of how lazy Krasinski's script is.

Didn't the monster leave for the fireworks first before she started screaming or am I remembering things incorrectly?

- If monsters are so easy to lure, how is it possible they weren't all killed in a simple traps?

Obviously they didn't know about the weakness until the very end of the movie. If everyone knew the weakness then they'd have used it the whole time to their advantage. (AQP2?)

- nobody, NOBODY thought that creatures who have incredibly sensitive sense of hearing can be hurt by specific type of sound? Seriously?

Sometimes the simplest solutions are the last ones to be discovered. Isn't that possible?

- EVERYWHERE around the house there are countless things that hang or stand like nothing happened, they can be easily dropped or fall over making sound

I'm not sure I understand this argument or what you're trying to say here. Could you explain this one a little better?


To me it was the dumbest movie I've seen in 2018... until I watched A Wrinkle In Time.
Responded in the spoilers.
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I don't believe genre justify sacrifice of all logic. It's a poor excuse for bad script with catchy idea, I admit, but still bad.
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[Show spoiler]- EVERYWHERE around the house there are countless things that hang or stand like nothing happened, they can be easily dropped or fall over making sound


I'm not sure I understand this argument or what you're trying to say here. Could you explain this one a little better?
[Show spoiler]He means there are small things around the house that could easily be knocked over or dropped because they are not secured. Not something that bothers me, really.
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[Show spoiler]Didn't the monster leave for the fireworks first before she started screaming or am I remembering things incorrectly?

Maybe I remember this wrong, but still her scream was closer than fireworks, so to me it makes their behavior simply stupid.

Obviously they didn't know about the weakness until the very end of the movie. If everyone knew the weakness then they'd have used it the whole time to their advantage. (AQP2?)

I'm not talking about their weakness but about them being draw to sound... which basically makes it their weakness. I mean if you know mouses likes cheese then you're making traps with it, right?

Sometimes the simplest solutions are the last ones to be discovered. Isn't that possible?

It's always possible but it's not like we're talking about rocket science, it's just a common sense.

I'm not sure I understand this argument or what you're trying to say here. Could you explain this one a little better?
Colson already explained that for me, thanks
My replies in the spoiler.

As for the objects around the house, it bothers me because I feel nobody cared about making this movie believable. They life changed completely - they can't talk, they can't laugh, cough or sneeze, or even walk outside without using sand. The movie takes all of it pretty serious from the very first minutes, and yet they completely ignored such an obvious thing like their home.
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My replies in the spoiler.

As for the objects around the house, it bothers me because I feel nobody cared about making this movie believable. They life changed completely - they can't talk, they can't laugh, cough or sneeze, or even walk outside without using sand. The movie takes all of it pretty serious from the very first minutes, and yet they completely ignored such an obvious thing like their home.
The aliens weren't bothered by the sound of water so they must've realised some sounds do come natural in this world. You can't really expect them to react to every tiny natural sound around them.
It's fine if you don't like the movie. But don't try to justify that with nonsense logic.
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The aliens weren't bothered by the sound of water so they must've realised some sounds do come natural in this world. You can't really expect them to react to every tiny natural sound around them.
I did not mentioned natural sounds even once so I don't know what you're talking about.
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Justification for the monster's weakness being legitimate:

[Show spoiler]The film presented to monster's weakness as a specific frequency, one not common in the hearing aid since the key was the dad's tinkering to try to make it work. With how the monster's hearing works, the film showed the monster to be uniquely sensitive to this frequency which created harmful feedback on both the monster and the girl. But because the creature is designed to hear even the quietest sounds, that means there's some sort of amplification in it's physiology which made the feedback exponentially worse for it and not the girl.

The monster is not sensitive to loud sounds like the OG movie Venom, otherwise they'd just be making loud noises to defeat it. The film is saying this frequency had not yet been discovered as it's weakness and/or because the monsters have killed the majority of people, and long range communication often results in a sound, others could have discovered the frequency but word couldn't get around the world to the family we focus on for the film.


The only part that bugged me was
[Show spoiler]at the climax when the kids hide in the car and the monster is banging on it when we have clearly seen it can rip through metal very easily. There was a portion where the kids were making noise, nothing else was, and the monster decided to just hit the car until the dad could make a louder noise.
I can forgive pretty much the rest. Though they were really setting us up to think a picture frame would fall or something.
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John absolutely made the original script 100 times better. He made it much smarter, richer in terms of character, more emotional. Such a fantastic film and after the PGA nomination yesterday, it's very possible a best picture nomination happens.
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[Show spoiler]- monster is INCHES away from Emily Blunt SCREAMING!!! and it runs away because of fireworks. That scene was an insult to me and probably the best example of how lazy Krasinski's script is.

- If monsters are so easy to lure, how is it possible they weren't all killed in a simple traps?

- nobody, NOBODY thought that creatures who have incredibly sensitive sense of hearing can be hurt by specific type of sound? Seriously?

- EVERYWHERE around the house there are countless things that hang or stand like nothing happened, they can be easily dropped or fall over making sound


To me it was the dumbest movie I've seen in 2018... until I watched A Wrinkle In Time.
Wow, I never thought of those things. All valid points.
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John absolutely made the original script 100 times better. He made it much smarter, richer in terms of character, more emotional. Such a fantastic film and after the PGA nomination yesterday, it's very possible a best picture nomination happens.
If what we received was 100 times better than before... I would hate to see the original screenplay. It must have been done by an orangutan banging on a typewriter.
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