Dark Force Entertainment Discussion Thread

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by indravayu

I haven't even been on the forum that long, but I'd say you're one of the most hated people here - do you get some kind of sick satisfaction out of that? That many, many people think you are a complete douchebag and dread seeing your username in threads?

For the most part, I don't post anything overtly controversial other than not going along with the groupthink in many cases. The fact that these days this is controversial in itself (not just in this forum, but society in general) is rather sad.

So I'd say that's their problem if they feel that way, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Its definitely easier to go along with what everyone else is saying in a group (even if obviously wrong) than stating a different opinion - especially when it means you will be more accepted by the group by agreeing with them.

[indravayu]

Originally Posted by kraven

1.Nope

2.Sounds just like a certain other poster eho also spammed heavy on the weekends.

Ha, yeah...notably, this signature-worthy quote: "I have noticed that the majority of the time I think I'm right, where others think I'm wrong, I turn out to be right."

[Deadguy2322]

Originally Posted by indravayu

Ha, yeah...notably, this signature-worthy quote: "I have noticed that the majority of the time I think I'm right, where others think I'm wrong, I turn out to be right."

He sure was right about The House That Vanished being a great release that everyone should buy!

[frakking toaster]

Originally Posted by Deadguy2322

He sure was right about The House That Vanished being a great release that everyone should buy!

Don't forget putting Carrier as one the top code red releases of the year. One version unwatchable cause the audios not synched and the other version DNRd to death.

[indravayu]

Originally Posted by Ruined

For the most part, I don't post anything overtly controversial other than not going along with the groupthink in many cases. The fact that these days this is controversial in itself (not just in this forum, but society in general) is rather sad.

...which is a fancy way of admitting that you're a troll.

Originally Posted by Ruined

So I'd say that's their problem if they feel that way, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Its definitely easier to go along with what everyone else is saying in a group (even if obviously wrong) than stating a different opinion - especially when it means you will be more accepted by the group by agreeing with them.

LOL, you're such a pompous ass! No one cares if you have a different opinion from the forum's consensus (if there even is such a thing!); rather, it's your obnoxious, ritalin-fueled, Asperger-esque style that drives people nuts (along with your admitted shilling for DF).

[Deadguy2322]

Originally Posted by frakking toaster

Don't forget putting Carrier as one the top code red represses of the year. One version unwatchable cause the audios not synchef and the other version DNRd to death.

My bad! How could I have forgotten that insightful guidance!

[Ruined]

Oh these are great examples actually. Thanks guys, easy to prove my point:

Originally Posted by Deadguy2322

He sure was right about The House That Vanished being a great release that everyone should buy!

Posters in this thread said...
* The House that Vanished was a bootleg that Code Red pulled due to getting a C&D, not because of the negative reaction due to being a cut version (like Necromancy). +This proved to be false, as THTV continues to be sold to this day through Screen Archives and DF, occasionally being unavailable @ DF due to Bill's antics (though Screen Archives never stopped selling it at any point).

* The House that Vanished was imminently to be released by Arrow and the people who bought their copies would have buyers remorse within a couple of months. +How did that one turn out guys a year later? Enjoying your Arrow copies all this time? Maybe Arrow will release it someday but in the meantime this is the only release that isn't a bad VHS rip. I certainly got my moneys worth.

* The House that Vanished was never shown in a cut form in the USA. +Proven wrong with a book written by a film historian who specializes in the genre, which I linked the text to in this thread some ways back.

Originally Posted by frakking toaster

Don't forget putting Carrier as one the top code red represses of the year. One version unwatchable cause the audios not synchef and the other version DNRd to death.

Posters in this thread said...
* The Carrier DC was DNR'd so bad it was worse than the DVD. Easily proven false:
http://www.mondo-digital.com/carrier.html
Even with the DNR the Carrier still looks lightyears better than the DVD, which resembles a blurry and misframed VHS tape. In motion, there is still remaining film grain in The Carrier DC despite the heavy DNR - I have seen much worse DNR jobs. Good reason was given for the DNR as well, being used due to the only available source of the DC being so badly damaged throughout.

And yes, the Carrier is one of the top Code Red releases of the year for the actual content - the never before seen Director's Cut which is excellent. Not because of a cardboard box, not because of some film historian essay included in a bonus hardbound book. But, rather because the never before seen Directors Cut is a great movie & significantly better than the theatrical cut as a movie. While the PQ is not optimal, it still is decent and destroys the previous DVD with ease as the link clearly proves.

Originally Posted by Mondo Digital

In 2018, Code Red brought the film to Blu-ray with a pleasant surprise: a director's cut running quite a bit longer, with the theatrical cut included as well. The longer version is definitely better paced and flows more organically, so for anyone who owns the disc, that's likely to be the go-to version from now on.The ten-minute discrepancy doesn't tell the whole story as the director's cut doesn't have the four-minute end credits from the theatrical, instead wrapping up with a very different epilogue that makes more sense of that wraparound narration.

[AKNewbie]

So how long before we see BM's public lockers in WA show up on a Storage Wars episode?

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by AKNewbie

So how long before we see BM's public lockers in WA show up on a Storage Wars episode?

Dave DeFalco meets Dave Hester

[frakking toaster]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Oh these are great examples actually. Thanks guys, easy to prove my point:



Posters in this thread said...
* The House that Vanished was a bootleg that Code Red pulled due to getting a C&D, not because of the negative reaction due to being a cut version (like Necromancy). +This proved to be false, as THTV continues to be sold to this day through Screen Archives and DF, occasionally being unavailable @ DF due to Bill's antics (though Screen Archives never stopped selling it at any point).

* The House that Vanished was imminently to be released by Arrow and the people who bought their copies would have buyers remorse within a couple of months. +How did that one turn out guys a year later? Enjoying your Arrow copies all this time? Maybe Arrow will release it someday but in the meantime this is the only release that isn't a bad VHS rip. I certainly got my moneys worth.

* The House that Vanished was never shown in a cut form in the USA. +Proven wrong with a book written by a film historian who specializes in the genre, which I linked the text to in this thread some ways back.



Posters in this thread said...
* The Carrier DC was DNR'd so bad it was worse than the DVD. Easily proven false:
http://www.mondo-digital.com/carrier.html
Even with the DNR the Carrier still looks lightyears better than the DVD, which resembles a blurry and misframed VHS tape. In motion, there is still remaining film grain in The Carrier DC despite the heavy DNR - I have seen much worse DNR jobs. Good reason was given for the DNR as well, being used due to the only available source of the DC being so badly damaged throughout.

And yes, the Carrier is one of the top Code Red releases of the year for the actual content - the never before seen Director's Cut which is excellent. Not because of a cardboard box, not because of some film historian essay included in a bonus hardbound book. But, rather because the never before seen Directors Cut is a great movie & significantly better than the theatrical cut as a movie. While the PQ is not optimal, it still is decent and destroys the previous DVD with ease as the link clearly proves.

Lol

[indravayu]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Oh these are great examples actually. Thanks guys, easy to prove my point:



Posters in this thread said...
* The House that Vanished was a bootleg that Code Red pulled due to getting a C&D, not because of the negative reaction due to being a cut version (like Necromancy). +This proved to be false, as THTV continues to be sold to this day through Screen Archives and DF, occasionally being unavailable @ DF due to Bill's antics (though Screen Archives never stopped selling it at any point).

* The House that Vanished was imminently to be released by Arrow and the people who bought their copies would have buyers remorse within a couple of months. +How did that one turn out guys a year later? Enjoying your Arrow copies all this time? Maybe Arrow will release it someday but in the meantime this is the only release that isn't a bad VHS rip. I certainly got my moneys worth.

* The House that Vanished was never shown in a cut form in the USA. +Proven wrong with a book written by a film historian who specializes in the genre, which I linked the text to in this thread some ways back.

In addition to shill, we can add liar to your resume.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by frakking toaster

Lol

Originally Posted by indravayu

In addition to shill, we can add liar to your resume.

Well done all for again demonstrating that I provide facts and evidence while others provide "lol" and namecalling. Any links you desire to back up what I stated are readily available, feel free to ask. Its all in this thread.

Edit: way too easy. Thanks search function.

THTV pulled due to C&D claim
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=473
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=474

Arrow releasing THTV 3 months from Mar 2018 claim
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=345
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=393

84 min US cut version doesn't exist claim disproven
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=284

Carrier DVD looks better than DC Blu
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=46270

Who's making up stuff now? Ain't me that's for sure.

[Damonstein]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Well done all for again demonstrating that I provide facts and evidence while others provide "lol" and namecalling. Any links you desire to back up what I stated are readily available, feel free to ask. Its all in this thread.

Edit: way too easy. Thanks search function.

THTV pulled due to C&D claim
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=473
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=474


Arrow releasing THTV 2 months from Mar 2018 claim
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=345
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=393

84 min US cut version doesn't exist claim disproven
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=284

Who's making up stuff now?

It's the opinion of everyone here but you that CR/DF is run poorly and that they behave poorly. We can't prove an opinion as wrong or right here. You can go on all day about how you proved statements wrong that a few members said, but the main point here is that most people here dislike them for valid reasons, you can't just say that everyone in this thread arbitrarily decided to hate them for no good reason. You've stretched logic, acted hypocritical, come up with a bizzare conspiracy about vinegar syndrome after DF trash talked them, and have been rewarded for saying positive things about DF here so it should be obvious why people are unperceptive to your defenses.

[indravayu]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Well done all for again demonstrating that I provide facts and evidence while others provide "lol" and namecalling. Any links you desire to back up what I stated are readily available, feel free to ask. Its all in this thread.

Edit: way too easy. Thanks search function.

THTV pulled due to C&D claim
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=473
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=474

Arrow releasing THTV 3 months from Mar 2018 claim
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=345
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=393

84 min US cut version doesn't exist claim disproven
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=284

Who's making up stuff now? Ain't me that's for sure.

YOU...you're the one making stuff up. The BS about the 84 min. US cut was long ago debunked here - you simply refused to admit it.

Also, Walt was the one who exposed the fact that the rights to THTV was owned by another label (I don't think we know who - it was only speculation that it was Arrow, due to their upcoming Larraz boxset); just because it hasn't been released yet, doesn't mean it's not coming in the near future.

[frakking toaster]

Originally Posted by indravayu

YOU...you're the one making stuff up. The BS about the 84 min. US cut was long ago debunked here - you simply refused to admit it.

Also, Walt was the one who exposed the fact that the rights to THTV was owned by another label (I don't think we know who - it was only speculation that it was Arrow, due to their upcoming Larraz boxset); just because it hasn't been released yet, doesn't mean it's not coming in the near future.

Stop saying things that make sense!

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by indravayu

YOU...you're the one making stuff up. The BS about the 84 min. US cut was long ago debunked here - you simply refused to admit it.

I don't think some guys on an internet forum can debunk something when there is evidence in print from a film expert in the genre of the film in question that something did, in fact, exist. One can claim it is debunked, but that doesn't change the fact that a film expert says it does, in fact, exist. Therefore there is still evidence of the possibility that the cut existed. The fact that - even with this evidence in-print from a film expert - people still refuse to acknowledge the possibility of the cut existing demonstrates how much negativity and determination to sully this label there is from some.

Also, Walt was the one who exposed the fact that the rights to THTV was owned by another label (I don't think we know who - it was only speculation that it was Arrow, due to their upcoming Larraz boxset); just because it hasn't been released yet, doesn't mean it's not coming in the near future.

OK. So you still believe that then? How has Screen Archives sold it for a year if CR didn't have the rights? Do you think Screen Archives is a bootleg outfit? Where is the new release that was supposed to be out in Jun 2018? Why isn't it part of the Arrow Larraz set that was just announced? One can make the claim "well a better version is coming someday" for nearly any less than ideal Blu-ray and someday that claim may come true, but that claim really doesn't mean anything until there is an official announcement. Again, those who bought into this claim still don't have this film to watch on Blu and might not for a long time. Those who actually bought THTV have been able to enjoy the disc for a year instead of hoping for some release that doesn't exist; even if a new release does come out 6 months from now, $20 isn't a lot to spend for 1.5 years of entertainment, and you get to keep an alternate cut of the film that may not be available on some future release if it ever happens.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Ruined

I don't think some guys on an internet forum can debunk something when there is evidence in print from a film expert in the genre of the film in question that something did, in fact, exist. One can claim it is debunked, but that doesn't change the fact that a film expert says it does, in fact, exist. Therefore there is still evidence of the possibility that the cut existed.

Sorry, but who was the film expert that you reference?

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Sorry, but who was the film expert that you reference?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=284

"Gary A. Smith, a contributing writer for Little Shoppe of Horrors since 1980, has also written for Films in Review, Filmfax, Superstar Cine, and Cult Movies. Mr. Smith recently assisted in the video restoration of the complete version of Hammer's The Lost Continent. He is also the author of Epic Films: Casts, Credits and Commentary on Over 300 Historical Spectacle Movies, 2d ed. (2003) and lives in Los Angeles."

[frakking toaster]

Originally Posted by Ruined

I don't think some guys on an internet forum can debunk something when there is evidence in print from a film expert in the genre of the film in question that something did, in fact, exist. One can claim it is debunked, but that doesn't change the fact that a film expert says it does, in fact, exist. Therefore there is still evidence of the possibility that the cut existed. The fact that - even with this evidence in-print from a film expert - people still refuse to acknowledge the possibility of the cut existing demonstrates how much negativity and determination to sully this label there is from some.



OK. So you still believe that then? How has Screen Archives sold it for a year if CR didn't have the rights? Do you think Screen Archives is a bootleg outfit? Where is the new release that was supposed to be out in Jun 2018? Why isn't it part of the Arrow Larraz set that was just announced? One can make the claim "well a better version is coming someday" for nearly any less than ideal Blu-ray and someday that claim may come true, but that claim really doesn't mean anything until there is an official announcement. Again, those who bought into this claim still don't have this film to watch on Blu and might not for a long time. Those who actually bought THTV have been able to enjoy the disc for a year instead of hoping for some release that doesn't exist; even if a new release does come out 6 months from now, $20 isn't a lot to spend for 1.5 years of entertainment, and you get to keep an alternate cut of the film that may not be available on some future release if it ever happens.

Screen archives and dark force are still selling the Milligan titles which we know Code Red lost the rights to.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by frakking toaster

Screen archives and dark force are still selling the Milligan titles which we know Code Red lost the rights to.

You don't have the contract in front of you, nor do I, thus neither of us know the terms of what can be sold & for how long. It's pretty clear Screen Archives is a legit outfit, and licensing / who is able to sell what for what amount of time/ etc is not clear cut for some of these films. Just look at what happened recently with the Arrow release of Django literally being C&D'd & pulled on the day of release when everyone thought the licensing was good to go and all that money spent on restoration. Meanwhile, Arrow looks to be in the clear to sell their restoration of the film on YouTube despite the Blu-ray debacle.

So I don't see the need to automatically assume CR/DF is in the wrong every time. Even when there is a legit C&D claim it can be challenged (again see Arrow vs BU currently). But if there actually was a legit C&D claim for THTV Screen Archives certainly wouldn't sell it for a year afterwards without ever taking it down; it would be pulled like Django was. Retailers like SAE don't mess around with stuff like that.

Originally Posted by Damonstein

It's the opinion of everyone here but you that CR/DF is run poorly and that they behave poorly. We can't prove an opinion as wrong or right here. You can go on all day about how you proved statements wrong that a few members said, but the main point here is that most people here dislike them for valid reasons, you can't just say that everyone in this thread arbitrarily decided to hate them for no good reason. You've stretched logic, acted hypocritical, come up with a bizzare conspiracy about vinegar syndrome after DF trash talked them, and have been rewarded for saying positive things about DF here so it should be obvious why people are unperceptive to your defenses.

Its fine for people to have an opinion that they don't like DF or CR or think they can be run better. But the amount of misinformation that's been spread in this thread in an attempt to discredit DF has been pretty tremendous as I have demonstrated. It's one thing to say you dislike a label, its another thing to actively attempt to sabotage them at every turn with nonsense that has no basis in fact.

I'm not sure what you are talking about with VS, I don't believe I've ever said anything negative about them. I may have commented on their business model, but so what? I've been a VS yearly package subscriber every year since they offered it. They are a great label even if I don't like their content selections as much as some other labels.

Yeah I said positive things about DF because DF actually is putting some effort into making Code Red accessible for people after years of buying off a store that takes months to get items, and DF has offered unique collectibles and content to keep people entertained. I was pretty much the only one on this thread who was willing to stand up for common sense (as I demonstrated with all those links) instead of running with every negative thing thought up by the group (and boy was there a lot of it and still is), and I did so because I genuinely liked the direction DF was taking in trying to get Code Red out there - not because of any "reward". I can't be bought off and have been a longtime fan of Code Red before they ever even released on Blu-ray, so that theory is ridiculous.

I stand out so much in this thread because everyone else is so negative and ready to burn DeFalco at the stake even if there is no evidence, because hey its cool to hate on Dark Force or something. I could see being upset with the way Bill runs Code Red, but DeFalco appears that he is just trying to make Code Red work and so far has been more successful than anyone else in meeting Bill's business needs and also keeping the product available to consumers.