Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Checkout the 12:20 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjBw...ature=youtu.be

[partridge]

That's a good point, you're right. I do like disc too, just curious

[Steedeel]

I have said it before and I will again, this move to younger gens not owning content (subscription) could very well extend to not owning TV sets and just using mobiles (which they pay one or two year contracts towards rather than own) it would then be case of 50+ agegroups dying out and that would leave a mobile only digital shitstorm. If younger people don’t want to win stuff, by would they want to own a TV set?

[flyry]

Originally Posted by partridge

There is no digital market that is as safe or secure as buying a disc. There's convenience in a digital copy, but only until something like this happens and it's gone.

What's really interesting is that there is nothing (unless I missed it) about any of the studios offering an apology or some kind of token compensation for the decision to close this service.

Basically, it's being closed and that's that.


Changing the subject; is there a reason why studios haven't moved on from disc onto some kind of proprietary memory card? I know players will need to support discs for some time to come, but you'd think the days of the disc itself were numbered given how much data you can fit on a card? Maybe they think piracy would be too easy? But there would be little loading time, if any, and no moving parts either, so the players would be silent.

Why should they apologize?

Everyone who used UV should have already had VUDU linked so no change.(at least stateside users).

Compensation. Lol.

MA has given plenty of freebies for linking and sony gave a freebie recently.

Thats like expecting apologies when a new physical format comes out

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

Why should they apologize?

Everyone who used UV should have already had VUDU linked so no change.(at least stateside users).

Compensation. Lol.

MA has given plenty of freebies for linking and sony gave a freebie recently.

Thats like expecting apologies when a new physical format comes out

Why? Because they have (imo) failed to provide the service they formed to provide? Where is peace of mind for non US digital fans now?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I have said it before and I will again, this move to younger gens not owning content (subscription) could very well extend to not owning TV sets and just using mobiles (which they pay one or two year contracts towards rather than own) it would then be case of 50+ agegroups dying out and that would leave a mobile only digital shitstorm. If younger people don’t want to win stuff, by would they want to own a TV set?

And I, and most others, will laugh at you every time that you say it.

Your fears are irrational. There is no evidence of any kind to validate them.

I own my phone and I had a two year contract. Agreeing to a 2 year contract lowered the price of the phone by half. It was a smart decision. If there are contracts where you simply lease your phone, that in no way means that such customers will not want a TV.

TVs serve many purposes and you do not have to own content to enjoy one. People owned TVs for several decades prior to being able to own movies and TV shows. Owning, or not owning content, has never kept people from buying the biggest TV that they could afford and accommodate.

TV sales are up, remember? Up worldwide. We have actual sales data to prove it. Evidence, facts, and data: all the things that your posts about the phonepocalypse lack.

[avs commenter]

The thing is, most people don't care or are worried about losing rights to something.

In 10 years, if I lose some of my digital library, I'm really not going to lose much sleep over it. I rarely have time to revisit older movies now anyway. There is too much new content to consume.

[Vilya]

Even I, an infrequent user of subscription streaming services and VOD services, was aware that UV's days were numbered. I always had the impression that Movies Anywhere was its logical successor, so it is not as if UV is closing and leaving a large void behind. At least in this case UV is giving plenty of notice that allows their users to link to Vudu, or whomever else, in order to retain their content.

As for compensation for those that fall through the cracks here and potentially lose stuff, all I can say is that that sucks and maybe next time they should try reading those EULAs and TOS agreements BEFORE joining and making purchases from an entity that guarantees nothing. I am sorry, but if you agree to be potentially screwed, do not complain when it happens.

As for the physical media comparison and receiving no apology when a new format comes along, that is not an apt comparison at all. When a new physical disc format comes along, like with 4K disc, I still own and possess all of my blu-ray discs. I lose nothing. Further, the choice of whether or not to embrace the new format is entirely mine. Blu-rays did not cease to be manufactured after 4K discs arrived and I was never required to adopt them.

[stonesfan129]

So I take it my VUDU copies will still work? I don't really buy anything there anyway. Everything I have on it are codes I got out of Blu-rays or things I have rented. If I buy something, then yes I want the disc just cause I cannot get locked out of it.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

When a new physical disc format comes along, like with 4K disc, I still own and possess all of my blu-ray discs. I lose nothing. Further, the choice of whether or not to embrace the new format is entirely mine. Blu-rays did not cease to be manufactured after 4K discs arrived and I was never required to adopt them.

My ancient CD's continue to play in my BD and UHD BD players except one. The 2015 Chrysler T&C van that I have has a separate CD/DVD drive and Blu-ray drive, not sure why.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

The thing is, most people don't care or are worried about losing rights to something.

In 10 years, if I lose some of my digital library, I'm really not going to lose much sleep over it. I rarely have time to revisit older movies now anyway. There is too much new content to consume.

Try keeping it real here; you do not know what "most" people care about. I would expect the opposite to be true, that most people would be angered to lose anything that they pay for no matter the frequency with which they use it.

I doubt that they worry about it because they never gave the possibility much thought to begin with; they agreed blindly to these EULAs and just assume that the industry has their best interests in mind. In other words, they are naive.

Digital titles disappear, and usually reappear hours or days later, from digital collections with surprising regularity and yet those with such collections complain vociferously when it happens, even though they fully expect to get them back sometime later. How much louder will they howl when they lose something permanently?

I could never be fine with that. I love revisiting my older acquisitions and just the principle of arbitrarily losing something that I had purchased at some company's whim would piss me off.

It is certainly a healthy attitude to not get upset if something you purchased digitally goes poof, but I doubt that many of your fellow digital advocates are as zen about the idea as you are.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

The thing is, most people don't care or are worried about losing rights to something.

In 10 years, if I lose some of my digital library, I'm really not going to lose much sleep over it. I rarely have time to revisit older movies now anyway. There is too much new content to consume.

You are the perfect customer for them. In my opinion, someone who will bend over and take what they dish out.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Even I, an infrequent user of subscription streaming services and VOD services, was aware that UV's days were numbered. I always had the impression that Movies Anywhere was its logical successor, so it is not as if UV is closing and leaving a large void behind. At least in this case UV is giving plenty of notice that allows their users to link to Vudu, or whomever else, in order to retain their content.

As for compensation for those that fall through the cracks here and potentially lose stuff, all I can say is that that sucks and maybe next time they should try reading those EULAs and TOS agreements BEFORE joining and making purchases from an entity that guarantees nothing. I am sorry, but if you agree to be potentially screwed, do not complain when it happens.

As for the physical media comparison and receiving no compensation when a new format comes along, that is not an apt comparison at all. When a new physical disc format comes along, like with 4K disc, I still own and possess all of my blu-ray discs. I lose nothing. Further, the choice of whether or not to embrace the new format is entirely mine. Blu-rays did not cease to be manufactured after 4K discs arrived and I was never required to adopt them.

Maybe it was a poor comparison but nothing is really changing apart from losing sharing on VUDU and even then there are still other ways with MA providers.

I see a bunch of nerds on twitter acting like everyone is going to lose their entire collection.

Even someone who works for variety

[avs commenter]

In 10 years, maybe I decide I want to watch Avatar. I could pop in my blu ray disc....or I could rent a remastered version in 8K 3D for a few bucks

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by flyry

Maybe it was a poor comparison but nothing is really changing apart from losing sharing on VUDU and even then there are still other ways with MA providers.

I see a bunch of nerds on twitter acting like everyone is going to lose their entire collection.

Even someone who works for variety

Some people may lose substantial collections if they fail to link their UV to some other service in the time framed allowed. Somebody always misses a deadline.

The fate of international UV customers seems less clear; do they have similar options to link to another service like U.S. customers do in order to preserve their digital collections? If not, expect some angry people to complain loudly.

Transitions tend to have hiccups, too, and some may lose titles, at least temporarily, and they will be mad while it all sorts out.

Stories like these are always going to generate clickbait sensationalist articles. They want you to see their ads after all. I bet we have a few animated discussions occurring on this website, too.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by flyry

Why should they apologize?

Everyone who used UV should have already had VUDU linked so no change.(at least stateside users).

Compensation. Lol.

MA has given plenty of freebies for linking and sony gave a freebie recently.

Thats like expecting apologies when a new physical format comes out

Correct. I have maybe 5 titles through UV, but my digital library is on VUDU/MA/iTunes/Fandango. Also, for folks that cannot read the fine print, Any existing titles in UV will still be available as long as your titles are linked to the vendors. What a nothingburger this morning. lol

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

In 10 years, maybe I decide I want to watch Avatar. I could pop in my blu ray disc....or I could rent a remastered version in 8K 3D for a few bucks

I want 8K 3D a lot sooner than that...and on physical media, thank you very much.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

If younger people don’t want to win stuff, by would they want to own a TV set?

Why would they want to own TVs? For the same reason we do: TVs are freaking awesome.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Here yesterday, gone today:

Best Buy CinemaNow
Flixster
Paramount Store
Red One UHD movie/video download service
Sony Pictures Store
Sony FMP-X1 and FMP-X10 UHD movie/video download service
Target Ticket
UltraFlix and Nanotech UHD movie/video streaming service

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I have said it before and I will again, this move to younger gens not owning content (subscription) could very well extend to not owning TV sets and just using mobiles (which they pay one or two year contracts towards rather than own) it would then be case of 50+ agegroups dying out and that would leave a mobile only digital shitstorm. If younger people don’t want to win stuff, by would they want to own a TV set?

Netflix has confirmed the majority of streaming is watched on a TV. Kids don't use their phones to stream. They play on their phone while a movie is streaming in the background on a TV.