Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

That's quite an assumption.

What possible other reason does he have? He is trying to be clever.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

In that particular case Steedeel's comment of "As usual, you are talking out of your ass imo." was an appropriate response to Flyry's comment of "You're just mad no one gives a shit about letting the UK get the good streaming apps." Especially since that comment was directed specifically at Steedeel.

Correct.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

The problem is that streaming's merits can change, even for the content people have already purchased. There's uncertainty in whether digital titles will continue to be available. I want people to be aware of the risks, but most people never even consider them.

I don't want anyone to lose content either but with streaming it is extremely likely that people will. I'd rather they realize that sooner than later.

Quality is one of the merits of physical media that I like to tout. Real tangible ownership is the one I extoll the loudest.

That's all I can do. People have to weigh the differences for themselves and make their own decision. I just want it be an informed one.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

In that particular case Steedeel's comment of "As usual, you are talking out of your ass imo." was an appropriate response to Flyry's comment of "You're just mad no one gives a shit about letting the UK get the good streaming apps." Especially since that comment was directed specifically at Steedeel.

Understandable reaction, but not really appropriate unless you believe that another person's questionable behavior justifies your own. I never subscribed to the "two wrongs make a right" mindset.

Further, flyry just speculated that Steedeel was mad that no one cared about his concerns (with an unnecessary emphasis attached). Steedeel countered with "as usual, you are talking out of your a...", which is far more inflammatory than the comment that it was in response to.

I only point it out because Steed likes to pretend he treats everyone nicely and with respect when he actually does not. He slings mud with the worst of us.

I know what a jackass I can be; I don't make believe otherwise.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, I was being sarcastic. He wants a pissing contest.

Curious behavior from someone who has repeatedly said that they hate, even "detest", sarcasm.

I recall you warning us of the perils of making ASSumptions recently, too.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Curious behavior from someone who has repeatedly said that they hate, even "detest", sarcasm.

I recall you warning us of the perils of making ASSumptions recently, too.

No assumptions. I know where the post was going.

Sometimes, you have to go like for like, its the only language some unserstand.

Anyway, we havw bigger problems, i hear its not just 4k players that samsung are ending.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

26 films, 3 tv series. Which is 29 more than you.

Ummm.... no it's not. Did you actually pay attention to my posts that you were replying to, or were you too busy picking your nose so deeply that it effected the part of your brain that controls reading comprehension?

For any releases that I've bought since the 4K format launched, I've been buying the 4K/Blu-Ray combo packs if there is such a release for them. I have over 100 4K releases.

Here is my collection filtered for just the 4K releases (be sure to see the pages at the bottom to click on, for some reason when filtering it splits things up really weird):

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/searc...rtby=relevance

Plus there are also a small handful of "gray areas" that won't show up in that search, where a movie had a Steelbook release that I really wanted, but did not have an option where the Steelbook came with the 4K disc, so I bought the Steelbook at the store and bought the 4K separately through ebay and put it in the case. (usually removing a DVD that came with the regular Blu-Ray disc). Since I only added the non-4K Steelbook to my collection in those instances, those won't come up when filtering my collection by 4K titles.



To be clear, the laughing emojis had nothing to do with you have fewer 4K movies than me, but rather you insisting that I had none despite me stating several times that I've been buying them since the format launched. But you may want to pay attention before making such declarations as this.

Edit: I just saw some of the follow up conversations. No, I wasn't looking to have a pissing contest. I was honestly genuinely curious and inquiring how many 4K releases you had with my earlier post since you said that you had bought many since your past posts stating what you have.

And seriously, that was your attempt as sarcasm? Because it didn't come across as sarcastic at all... just ill informed and presumably not paying attention to posts that you were replying to.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Anyway, we havw bigger problems, i hear its not just 4k players that samsung are ending.

IIRC Samsung was the first to market with a UHD Blu-ray player but I never considered it for purchase because of the shortcomings I have already posted. Those shortcomings were inexcusable and even a casual disc user should have avoided Samsung players.

The bean counters at Samsung probably have determined that Samsung should should concentrate their efforts on washers, dryers, tablets, phones, etc.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IIRC Samsung was the first to market with a UHD Blu-ray player but I never considered it for purchase because of the shortcomings I have already posted. Those shortcomings were inexcusable and even a casual disc user should have avoided Samsung players.

The bean counters at Samsung probably have determined that Samsung should should concentrate their efforts on washers, dryers, tablets, phones, etc.

I feel it is related to Samsung's recent deal with Apple. Too much of a coincidence.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

That's another assumption. You constantly talk about how strongly you care about everything being in the best possible quality and yet you've supported the best quality format far less than many of us, even the people you criticize (Dynamo and myself included). Your constantly blaming everyone else for the terrible future you've predicted for all media even the people who are doing more than you to prevent that future.

Even though we don't agree with your predictions and we make fun of you for making them we are fundamentally on the same side. We support the same formats as you and are doing everything we can to help keep them alive. But you just tend to see everyone as your enemy and interpret every comment we make as hostile.

Why would Dynamo suddenly start being civil to me now? I know what he meant by it. It’s that simple.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Why would Dynamo suddenly start being civil to me now? I know what he meant by it. It’s that simple.

I was just genuinely inquiring how many you had. That was honestly all that was intended when I asked.

When it comes to physical vs. digital issue, you and I are both on the same side in preferring physical media, and we are both doing our parts to support it.

That's why, despite me not fully having a proper set up to benefit from it, I've been buying the 4K combo packs - both because I will want to benefit from them when I eventually do upgrade my TV, and also because I want to support the format as much as I can to help the overall cause of the best quality of physical media.

I know I'm harsh with you sometimes, with my most recent previous post being no exception. But it's mostly in regards to your extreme crazy predictions (in this most recent instance, your insinuation that I had no 4K discs despite repeatedly specifying otherwise). I really don't have any kind of larger "beef" with you.

[Steedeel]

Vilya, have a read of this. It is English but I think it applies to a global market.

Point 1 especially.

https://www.football365.com/news/the...on-tv-part-two

It talks about a 90 mi ute football game but I think it applies to films too.

I think we are hitting a point in time hen younger people are just not going to watch long form passive entertainment. I have said this for years now and get shot down but I must insist.

This viewpoint is being echoed now even by sports sites. Gaming is massive but passive entertainment to the younger generation is going to die a slow death it seems.

Not only are HQ HT days numbered, so is film in general. The big question to me (I’m 44) is which does first. Movies or me?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I was just genuinely inquiring how many you had. That was honestly all that was intended when I asked.

When it comes to physical vs. digital issue, you and I are both on the same side in preferring physical media, and we are both doing our parts to support it.

That's why, despite me not fully having a proper set up to benefit from it, I've been buying the 4K combo packs - both because I will want to benefit from them when I eventually do upgrade my TV, and also because I want to support the format as much as I can to help the overall cause of the best quality of physical media.

I know I'm harsh with you sometimes, with my most recent previous post being no exception. But it's mostly in regards to your extreme crazy predictions (in this most recent instance, your insinuation that I had no 4K discs despite repeatedly specifying otherwise). I really don't have any kind of larger "beef" with you.

Fair enough. Let’s draw a line?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Vilya, have a read of this. It is English but I think it applies to a global market.

Point 1 especially.

https://www.football365.com/news/the...on-tv-part-two

It talks about a 90 mi ute football game but I think it applies to films too.

I think we are hitting a point in time hen younger people are just not going to watch long form passive entertainment. I have said this for years now and get shot down but I must insist.

This viewpoint is being echoed now even by sports sites. Gaming is massive but passive entertainment to the younger generation is going to die a slow death it seems.

Not only are HQ HT days numbered, so is film in general. The big question to me (I’m 44) is which does first. Movies or me?

Most of "point 1" is just the author's opinion. The author sounds like an old fart who is at those young whipper snappers and their damn phones. Doctors advising that young people take a break from their phones is sound advice as such behavior can be obsessive and have real health consequences. I would wager that most of the excessive phone time was spent engaging friends and family over social media, not watching football games or anything else. I can certainly tell you that I personally find my friends and family more interesting than watching grown men chase a ball.

Most people that watched the 4+ hour long Super Bore this year did so on a large screen. More than 100 million of them tuned into the Big Snore. If I had been forced to watch it; I would have been attracted to my phone also. Checking for belly button lint, mine or others , would have interested me more.

People direct their attention to where their interest lies. Tuning out of a sports game during a lull in action, of which there are many, to check on what your friends are doing is perfectly understandable. If a movie or TV program becomes boring, it is just human nature to seek something more interesting to do.

The answer is to create better content; binge watching a beloved show alone demonstrates how readily people can focus their attention when they are truly interested. Young people still love watching movies; they still buy movie tickets. When they get their own homes, they buy big TVs, too.

Movie box office is UP. TV sales are UP. Home theaters and movies are doing just fine. The sun will rise tomorrow and all of these will still be with us.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No assumptions. I know where the post was going.

Sometimes, you have to go like for like, its the only language some unserstand.

Anyway, we havw bigger problems, i hear its not just 4k players that samsung are ending.

Clearly you did not know where that post was going as evidenced by the replies that you received to it. You often have a chip on your shoulder that you dare people to knock off.

It is really pretty simple. If you truly prize courtesy and respectful treatment of others, you have to strive to conduct yourself in that manner with everyone. Only being nice to the people that are nice to you is not a virtue; it requires no effort and it gives no testimony to your character.

There is a reason why diplomacy is a skill and kindness a virtue. It is because they require patience, tolerance, understanding, compassion, and lots, and LOTS, of practice.

I certainly need more practice and so do you.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Most of "point 1" is just the author's opinion. The author sounds like an old fart who is at those young whipper snappers and their damn phones. Doctors advising that young people take a break from their phones is sound advice as such behavior can be obsessive and have real health consequences. I would wager that most of the excessive phone time was spent engaging friends and family over social media, not watching football games or anything else. I can certainly tell you that I personally find my friends and family more interesting than watching grown men chase a ball.

Most people that watched the 4+ hour long Super Bore this year did so on a large screen. More than 100 million of them tuned into the Big Snore. If I had been forced to watch it; I would have been attracted to my phone also. Checking for belly button lint, mine or others , would have interested me more.

People direct their attention to where their interest lies. Tuning out of a sports game during a lull in action, of which there are many, to check on what your friends are doing is perfectly understandable. If a movie or TV program becomes boring, it is just human nature to seek something more interesting to do.

The answer is to create better content; binge watching a beloved show alone demonstrates how readily people can focus their attention when they are truly interested. Young people still love watching movies; they still buy movie tickets. When they get their own homes, they buy big TVs, too.

Movie box office is UP. TV sales are UP. Home theaters and movies are doing just fine. The sun will rise tomorrow and all of these will still be with us.

I don’t think it can be denied that there is whole new generation who are just not bothered about passive entertainment and certainly won’t pay for it. What happens when we reach the crucial point of impact? How can film continue in that climate? Answer, it can’t. The industry have to make money at the end of the day. Games make up by far the biggest slice of entertainment. More than film and music industry combined. At the tipping point where younger people no longer engage, there has to be a end result. That’s what I have been trying to say for years.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I don’t think it can be denied that there is whole new generation who are just not bothered about passive entertainment and certainly won’t pay for it. What happens when we reach the crucial point of impact? How can film continue in that climate? Answer, it can’t. The industry have to make money at the end of the day. Games make up by far the biggest slice of entertainment. More than film and music industry combined. At the tipping point where younger people no longer engage, there has to be a end result. That’s what I have been trying to say for years.

There is no data showing that young people are turning away from movies. Box office receipts are up and young people's interest is responsible for a lot of it.

Your gloomy absolute outcomes are always based upon not just one "if", but a whole series of them, and none of them supported by any hard facts. The only thing that you should be worried about is all of the worrying that you do.

Doesn't playing console games on a big TV for hours on end constitute "engagement?" Young people engage in many things, as do I; it's just that maybe they do so differently than you do and therein lies your fear? You simply do not identify with your perception of them.

Here is giant "if" right now: What if your worst fears were valid, what action do you expect any of us to take? If all you expect is for us to quiver with fear and await our doom, why bother? I will NEVER choose to live my life afraid.

I think the future of home entertainment, and much more besides, will be simply grand. My vision for the future is one of excitement and anticipation, yours is a needless source of unfounded anxiety. I'll take mine over yours hands down.

[Robbie The Robot]

I watch a lot of docos on Netflix but usually buy physical for a movie I will want to keep. My collection however it getting too big so I now only buy very rare movies you can't download.

Last night I watched Bohemian Rhapsody rented via Apple TV. I have high speed internet and a surround sound Atmos set up. 65" OLED TV. The HDR image quality was fine, but I found the "Atmos" track streamed incredibly lacking. It was flat and I had no sense of any surround. The film basically sounded stereo.

I wouldn't buy a movie digitally because of the chance of having it taken away and Apple rentals are expensive - $7 a movie. I can pick a title I will watch more than once up for $30 or less. Plus there is the issue of titles all being scattered across too many platforms. I have Netflix and Apple and wouldn't be willing to have to manage more than that. I do believe online is an unavoidable future but I still don't think it is quite there yet.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

And furthermore what are you, Steedeel, doing more than us to help prevent this terrible future? You've constantly told many of us that we have "our head in the sand" because we are not worried. But how will worrying help? Regardless of what happens in the future (or what we think will happen in the future) we are supporting the same things as you.

Not really aimed at you, more the deserters. We are not the problem here. We couldn’t stop younger people not caring about movies but deserters could have at least delayed the process by a number of years. Now, I feel film is under threat from a new generation that just dint care that much about it and certainly won’t pay for it. Thi# has been proven by the fact that they WILL pay for gaming. When this generationare in the 35-45 age group, what then? Psssive entertainment is becoming boring and unattractive to them as they are far more interested in gaming and social media.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Not really aimed at you, more the deserters. We are not the problem here. We couldn’t stop younger people not caring about movies but deserters could have at least delayed the process by a number of years. Now, I feel film is under threat from a new generation that just dint care that much about it and certainly won’t pay for it. Thi# has been proven by the fact that they WILL pay for gaming. When this generationare in the 35-45 age group, what then? Psssive entertainment is becoming boring and unattractive to them as they are far more interested in gaming and social media.

The deserters aren't on this forum. Even the digital supporters here aren't doing anything to cause the future you've predicted. They are watching traditional movies on big TVs.