The Dark Knight Rises (SPOILERS)

[roguescribner]

I do not own Jaws, but would. There's no real connective tissue between the films. It's easy enough to appreciate the first one and pretend the others don't exist.

I don't currently own any of the Terminator, Matrix, or Alien films either, but I'm not of the opinion any of the films tarnished what came before, even if some are obviously better than others.

I do own the Indiana Jones box set, but I don't think I'll bother watching KotCS again. It was a poor entry in the franchise and there's a definite delineation between the original trilogy and the 4th entry in terms of time and construction. The third movie makes a fine ending.

I'm not interested in Bond at all, but even if I were, there's not much in the way of continuity between the films anyway that it'd be easy enough to pick and choose. One film does not necessarily build off another (except for maybe the Craig films).

As for Star Wars, I do not own them because the current versions are not worth owning. Yes, I like my Classic Trilogy old school and wouldn't mind owning the altered versions if the originals were also available, but since they are not I protest in the only way I can: not spending money to buy an inferior product.

[Offender_Mullet]

Originally Posted by SpartanX

TDKR's hype is overblown.

Fixed

[mattymoron]

Originally Posted by roguescribner

I don't have to write them down as others have already done so.

And I never said the movie was awful, just a disappointment after the high quality of the first two installments. It's average at best. A few plot holes are to be expected in any movie, but the number of them in TDKR coupled with the fact that the movie felt overly long and rushed at the same time (because we witness the absence, the return, the absence, the return, and the absence of Batman all in one sitting--really, there was no reason for Batman to be out of commission at the start of this movie; keeping a low profile? sure, but to have him out, then in, then out, then in, then out again was just too much)... it just didn't make for an overly enjoyable experience for me. I'm happy my problems are not your problems and you can enjoy the movie. To me, it's barely passable entertainment and a lackluster way to end the trilogy.

So many of those aren't plotholes, though.

[stvn1974]

My favorite scene in Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy is still when Batman calls the Joker and his men a cab after jumping out of the window to save Rachell in The Dark Knight.. All the plot holes in these three films can be explained away. People just like to nitpick.

[roguescribner]

Originally Posted by mattymoron

So many of those aren't plotholes, though.

Well there's a clear, detailed, and well reasoned response.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

My favorite scene in Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy is still when Batman calls the Joker and his men a cab after jumping out of the window to save Rachell in The Dark Knight.. All the plot holes in these three films can be explained away. People just like to nitpick.

I know, these guys who consider themselves film fans by showing how smarter they are by writing lengthy reviews without even attempting to fill the holes themselves because it makes them look smarter than the rest, instead looking like mindless, drooling vegetables who can work their way out of a paper bag without help and guidance.

[srinivas1015]

Bane with Darth Vader's Voice - Darth Bane - YouTube

For the first time, I find bane menacing.

[SpartanX]

Originally Posted by srinivas1015

Bane with Darth Vader's Voice - Darth Bane - YouTube


For the first time, I find bane menacing.

Wow....

:|

[DenOfEarth]

Five stars for me.

A phenomenal masterpiece of a third movie and i saw it 6 times in theaters, a powerful and stunning finale to a great series.

Who else thought Ann Hathaway was hot in this movie as Catwoman? i do!

[Sylentwolf]

I hope this may get this thread moving along again, so to speak so here is something I found this morning...

Dark Knight writer's block inspired Man of Steel

David S. Goyer conceived 'Man of Steel' while he had writer's block scripting 'The Dark Knight Rises'.

The screenwriter has revealed he came up with the plot for the hotly anticipated superhero film during a difficult period when he and producer Christopher Nolan were meant to be working on the final installment of their Christian Bale-starring Batman trilogy.

He explained to Collider.com: ''Chris and I were working on 'The Dark Knight Rises', working on the story, and we were blocked. We agreed to part ways for a couple of weeks and just see if something had bubbled at the surface.

''I was wasting time and procrastinating and took out an archive edition of some of the original Superman comic books, action comic books and started re-reading them because I couldn't figure out this plot point on 'Dark Knight Rises'. I just randomly sat down one afternoon and wrote up some ideas for Superman.''

Goyer then met up with Nolan a week later to begin work on 'The Dark Knight Rises' again, but instead found himself presenting his ideas for the proposed Superman film.

He said: ''Because Chris likes to procrastinate as well, he said, 'Let's hear it.' So I told him and he literally called Jeff Robinov, who's the head of Warner Bros, while I was sitting there and said, 'Jeff, Dave just told me this take on Superman and you need to hear it. I'd like to produce it. Can we come in?' And we went in the next day.

''That's how it happened. No, we weren't trying to do it, it just happened.''

The blockbuster film was directed by Zack Snyder with Nolan as producer. Henry Cavill stars as the iconic superhero from Krypton and his human alter-ego Clark Kent.

'Man of Steel' is set for release in June.

I know this may need to be discussed more on The Dark Knight Rises thread, but is this any reason for us as fans to understand why we may have felt that The Dark Knight Rises wasn't as solid of a movie as it's predecessor? ...Interesting story to say the least.

The strangest thing for me now is, after seeing a few movies in 2013, I have a greater appreciation for this film

[Jasonic]

More like just another excuse to use in the fodder. Everyone gets writers block, and that doesn't explain anything to what phase they were at or specific part.
For all we know, after that Nolan might of got a "By George! I've got it!" moment.

For those that didn't like it, they just didn't. Has nothing to do with Nolan and Goyer believing themselves that they didn't make an adequate story or such rubbish.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by srinivas1015

Bane with Darth Vader's Voice - Darth Bane - YouTube


For the first time, I find bane menacing.

That video doesn't work so here one I found lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY4N5lQ-pgc

[Sylentwolf]

Originally Posted by Jasonic

More like just another excuse to use in the fodder. Everyone gets writers block, and that doesn't explain anything to what phase they were at or specific part.
For all we know, after that Nolan might of got a "By George! I've got it!" moment.

For those that didn't like it, they just didn't. Has nothing to do with Nolan and Goyer believing themselves that they didn't make an adequate story or such rubbish.

Thanks. We may never know exactly, but I didn't think otherwise, only to believe that what I saw was good and the only thing I considered as a disliking was the pace of the film. But after a couple more viewings, and like many other films, the pace of the film became less of an issue

[Zero_Cool]

Originally Posted by Jasonic

More like just another excuse to use in the fodder. Everyone gets writers block, and that doesn't explain anything to what phase they were at or specific part.
For all we know, after that Nolan might of got a "By George! I've got it!" moment.

For those that didn't like it, they just didn't. Has nothing to do with Nolan and Goyer believing themselves that they didn't make an adequate story or such rubbish.

Not if you take NTZ.

[ManWithNoUsername]

Originally Posted by SpartanX

TDKR's hate is overblown.

People are entitled to their opinion but.
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[Show spoiler] Like WAYYY

I cant figure out how people actually argue with someones opinion. It literally makes no sense at all.

I loved BB, loved TDK, and I was genuinely disappointed in Rises. Ive watched it many times, and its had a year to settle in, and my opinion on it is that it feels rushed and that unlike the last 2, it feels like it was made because it was expected and it was probably a very nice guaranteed paycheck after TDK. Very boring visually for me throughout most of it.

Of all the issues with I have with this movie, I think it all comes down to them being so dead set on realism. I think the result of that is a movie that does not feel like a Batman movie to me. So much of what I love about Batman is absent from this movie. So little sneaking around in the shadows, so little detective work, 45 minutes of him hobbling around on a cane, then the Michael Bay apocalypse story, complete with a guy saying "Get the president on the line", which I think ive seen in like 3 Michael Bay movies, and literally roll my eyes every time I get to that point in Rises. Its so awful and so not Batman.

Typical bomb story in 7000 other movies, and they even showed the president at the white house?? Took me right out of believing this was a Batman movie. Then the whole prison thing, the whole movie slows down to a crawl during all of that.

These are my opinions as a big time batman fan. I thought it mostly sucked outside of a few things like Catwoman, a couple scenes with Bane (until you find out he's basically just a crying ***** lol).

[TDSOTM]

Originally Posted by Blu-Malibu2009

Nah, he's not the only one who feels that way. I thought Bane was awesome and I wasn't bothered by TDKR's plotholes any more than I was bothered by BB/TDK's plotholes.

What plotholes?

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by TDSOTM

What plotholes?

I am not sure if you are being serious but this always makes me laugh. Some of it is nitpicking yes but most of it is right on.

http://movieplotholes.com/the-dark-knight-rises.html


My favorite is: The CIA agrees to take some hooded prisoners aboard their plane because they work for the 'masked-man' called Bane. The CIA, an organization that is known to be very rigid, thoughtful and safe in their internal action plan decides to NOT look at any of the prisoner's face before getting them on the plane. You know, in case someone has a bomb or emitter in their mouth - or if someone has a mask and is called Bane.


I knew right when this happened that this film was going to be horrible. I even elbowed my brother in the ribs during the scene and all he did was roll his eyes and say "I know, I know."

[TDSOTM]

Are you joking? See the part I bolded. I want to know what BB/TDK plotholes he is referring to.

And yes I know that TDKR was riddled with plotholes.

Originally Posted by stvn1974

My favorite is: The CIA agrees to take some hooded prisoners aboard their plane because they work for the 'masked-man' called Bane. The CIA, an organization that is known to be very rigid, thoughtful and safe in their internal action plan decides to NOT look at any of the prisoner's face before getting them on the plane. You know, in case someone has a bomb or emitter in their mouth - or if someone has a mask and is called Bane.

I actually didn't notice this. Good catch.

[srinivas1015]

Originally Posted by fassbenderfan

Meaning what exactlyt?

Nolan used storylines from one mini-series (The Long Halloween) and one graphic novel (The Killing Joke) for The Dark Knight. But at the same time, he did not directly adapt any one of them.

Almost 80% of TDK is based on The Long Halloween and only the Joker plotline is from The Killing Joke. Nolan infact combined both the stories:

In The Long Halloween, Dent, Gordon and Batman form an alliance to bring down the mob bosses but Dent starts to realise that following the law and ethical routes won't help bring justice. He gets really close to becoming a murdering vigilante, like shown in the alleyway scene in TDK.
One thing I liked about the novel is that it shows Harvey slipping day by day and it reaches a point where the acid being thrown in his face is simply the last straw. In the movie, the burning of his face & Rachel are what trigger his psychotic break. (This is in the final act of the novel, just like the movie. If Two-Face had a larger role and people knew about him, then Batman wouldn't have been able to take blame, which would mean Nolan wouldn't have been able to do the whole 'Silent Guardian' bit. Not to mention making a lot of the plot of TDKR impossible, with Batman being hunted, Gordon lying to the public, etc. Two Face may have had a small role, but his actions are what trigger everything..It's kind of a domino effect if you think about it.)

In The Killing Joke, the Joker kills Gordan's daughter BRUTALLY, kidnaps him and tortures him mentally. The Joker tries to drive Gordon mad and wants to prove to Batman that he(The Joker) is no different than any other man.






Nolan used that storyline in TDK but used Dent & Rachel instead of Gordon & his daughter, thus tying both stories together. Not to mention adding new stuff like the boat sequence (which I don't really like now as it's tiring during repeat viewings of the movie).

In the novel, Joker's past is shown to us via a flashback sequence where his wife is murdered and his face is scarred. He literally loses his mind and chooses to take in the insanity rather than remember the past. He ends up making multiple origin stories for himself and his scars. This is what is shown in the movie as well as The Joker telling each person a different story of the origin of his scars. I thought he was just crazy but the angle from the novel makes it more interesting (where his past is so brutal that his mind has literally blocked it).








As for whether an origin story in TDK would have made it better, I guess that's up for debate. An origin story would have given him more layers but leaving it ambiguous makes him more intriguing. You believe his story when he tells it to Rachel at the party but when he tells a different story later, it makes you go - "this guy has lost his marbles!".
Origin stroies usually demystify classic villains (what I mean is that instead of fearing him/her or seeing him/her as a threat, you as the audience would pity him.) but if done right, then can make him/her more deeper..




There are various scenes in TDK that are COMPLETELY from the novel, right down to the dialogue, such as the rooftop scene between Dent, Gordon & Batman.











Gordon even says "He does that." in the movie when Batman suddenly disappears in the middle of the conversation :

The Dark Knight - Dent & Gordon talk with Batman - YouTube

[Gieferg]

They should've really kept that alternate ending

DARK KNIGHT RISES ENDING LEAKED!!!!! - YouTube