Dark Force Entertainment Discussion Thread

[Christophah Maghen]

What I find interesting, is that when both the dark force store and the code red cartel existed in tandem, dark force had a stellar reputation for fast shipping and the store always being open.

Methinks Bill is the one pulling the strings on how business is run, we should go a little easy on Davey boy.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by Christophah Maghen

What I find interesting, is that when both the dark force store and the code red cartel existed in tandem, dark force had a stellar reputation for fast shipping and the store always being open.

Methinks Bill is the one pulling the strings on how business is run, we should go a little easy on Davey boy.

Dark Force really is spot-on when it comes to shipping discs in a timely manner.

Of course, I never had problems with Code Red’s shipping either.

[kraven]

Originally Posted by Christophah Maghen

What I find interesting, is that when both the dark force store and the code red cartel existed in tandem, dark force had a stellar reputation for fast shipping and the store always being open.

Methinks Bill is the one pulling the strings on how business is run, we should go a little easy on Davey boy.

We've got about 3 months worth or more of bullshit to prove that theory wrong.

[delicreep]

Originally Posted by bipbop13

just Dork Farce with fake news taken from 11/18

Here's the real deal

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Originally Posted by SilentNight View Post
so with regards to the video of Code Red Bill threatening lawsuit and DeFalco physically threatening on the youtube video, is there any merit to Bill's claim? I'm assuming not but those are some serious allegations with regards to rights holders and all that stuff. Man did they both rip Vinegar Syndrome and from the sounds of it, Joe Rubin (I recall making fun of his young age?)

Side note: I spent at this point, nearly $200 on this sale and am trying to force myself to stay off of Vinegar Syndromes site so I don't keep spending.
There have been a number of titles that Bill has claimed to have valid contracts for that ended up being released by other companies, noticeably absent any sort of legal defense from him. The Mutilator and The Slayer immediately come to mind. He's particularly (and childishly) bent out of shape over VS these days, but that seems due to the immediacy of the Mausoleum release. Now that the LE blu was such a rousing success, he will likely continue bloviating along the same lines. Nothing will come of it, though.



Don't know why defalco thinks his customer base is so stupid. Every time he posts now, people rush to find the truth.

Just for clarity's sake, the text in bold came from me. Looking at it now, does it seem overly harsh? Anyway... It's worth pointing out that Bill was adamant that his contract for The Mutilator was valid and maintained that position for many years. There's also the claim recently that he never had the rights to some of the Milligan titles he was selling. I'm not suggesting he's Jef Films or anything, just that when it comes to the "who really has the rights"-type discussions, I lean towards VS.

[delicreep]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

Dark Force really is spot-on when it comes to shipping discs in a timely manner.

Of course, I never had problems with Code Red’s shipping either.

These past two seeks saw my first purchases from DF, two separate orders. Both shipments arrived within a week, both well-packaged(the second package even had cardboard inserts to protect the outside of the wrapped blu-rays. So, no complaints from me as far as shipping goes.

[agent999]

Originally Posted by delicreep

Just for clarity's sake, the text in bold came from me. Looking at it now, does it seem overly harsh? Anyway... It's worth pointing out that Bill was adamant that his contract for The Mutilator was valid and maintained that position for many years. There's also the claim recently that he never had the rights to some of the Milligan titles he was selling. I'm not suggesting he's Jef Films or anything, just that when it comes to the "who really has the rights"-type discussions, I lean towards VS.

Companies like Arrow and Blue Underground got embroiled in rights issues, it seems to be an occupational hazard. It's devious shits claiming they have ownership that are screwing the distributors, and anyone can get taken. If I had paid thousands for a movie I'd be claiming that I had a God given right to sell it too. The best situation is to let the market decide like Lustig and Media Blasters did with their Zombie DVDs years ago. Of course, the version that wasn't only available for a few hours every other weekend would probably win...

[delicreep]

Originally Posted by agent999

Companies like Arrow and Blue Underground got embroiled in rights issues, it seems to be an occupational hazard. It's devious shits claiming they have ownership that are screwing the distributors, and anyone can get taken. If I had paid thousands for a movie I'd be claiming that I had a God given right to sell it too. The best situation is to let the market decide like Lustig and Media Blasters did with their Zombie DVDs years ago. Of course, the version that wasn't only available for a few hours every other weekend would probably win...

Very true, and those are only the instances that we--as outsiders--have heard about.

[babybreese]

Dark Sky was set to release Bava's KILL BABY KILL and had to pull the release ( this was DVD ), thishappenes every now and then.

Sometimes owners screw people and sell to 2 parties.

Sometimes someone who really does not own a film licenses it.

And sometimes,
publishers are left with stock when their rights expire,
try to sell them anyway,
and get caught.

[delicreep]

Originally Posted by babybreese

Dark Sky was set to release Bava's KILL BABY KILL and had to pull the release ( this was DVD ), thishappenes every now and then.

Sometimes owners screw people and sell to 2 parties.

Sometimes someone who really does not own a film licenses it.

And sometimes,
publishers are left with stock when their rights expire,
try to sell them anyway,
and get caught.

There were three competing announcements regarding Cat in the Brain on DVD, way back when, until Grindhouse asserted that they had rights in perpetuity. Code Red and Johnny Legend both released Terror Circus on DVD (though, Legend basically pasted his own copyright over the original on the print he used, if memory serves).

[cloudnine]

Bought an extra SOAWN to sell on ebay. Got $48 total for it. Cost $27.95 & 10% ebay fee (4.80), 3% Paypal fee (about $1.50) & shipping 3.09 & mailer 35 cents, my time: free. If you add all the costs it equals $37.69. I made about $10.00 profit. My point: ebay scalpers who ask $50 for it make about $12.00 but the only way they really make any money to make it worth it is to sell dozens of copies. Lesson learned.

[indravayu]

Originally Posted by cloudnine

Bought an extra SOAWN to sell on ebay. Got $48 total for it. Cost $27.95 & 10% ebay fee (4.80), 3% Paypal fee (about $1.50) & shipping 3.09 & mailer 35 cents, my time: free. If you add all the costs it equals $37.69. I made about $10.00 profit. My point: ebay scalpers who ask $50 for it make about $12.00 but the only way they really make any money to make it worth it is to sell dozens of copies. Lesson learned.

I decided to be nice and sold my copy for $28, free shipping. I lost a few bucks in the deal on fees, but I got to watch the movie for not much more than a typical pay-per-view on iTunes or Amazon Prime.

[Fiocca_Cola]

Originally Posted by noirjunkie

But then how else would we know how much of a big, strong, tough man he is?

I just want to know what his insider source is that says VS is about to be sued and run out of business for selling 3000 copies of Masoleum in a day.

Something tells me VS will be around for quite some time

[xXx$uicide_Ma$terxXx]

Originally Posted by El_Fez

Didn't Cutting Class also power through a similar number of discs in a similar timespan? Or was that just the 5 slipcovers flying out the door that I remember?

500 for each individual slip with the movie. I think all of them besides 2 of the covers sold out but those still got pretty low. So probably over 2k sold in a weekend. Then there was the preorder which came with all 5 slips and the movie. Who knows how many of those sold. Still more than anything DF has probably sold of a movie
Oh and then there's the people who got the movie as part of their yearly package or monthly package.

[miribeau]

Originally Posted by delicreep

Just for clarity's sake, the text in bold came from me. Looking at it now, does it seem overly harsh? Anyway... It's worth pointing out that Bill was adamant that his contract for The Mutilator was valid and maintained that position for many years. There's also the claim recently that he never had the rights to some of the Milligan titles he was selling. I'm not suggesting he's Jef Films or anything, just that when it comes to the "who really has the rights"-type discussions, I lean towards VS.

With all this discussion of VS, and the older issues, it seems some of you have forgotten, or maybe never heard, because suits of this type are nearly always settled with non-disclosures attached, the cause of this kind of conflict is, as often as not, double sales or overlapping contracts. Good thing some of you are aware. The truth is, VS may well hold the rights to Mausoleum and probably does, but so did Bill, at the time of VS's release. In all likelihood, Bill and VS were sold or licensed the rights at the same time or with overlapping deals, in which case Bill's lawsuit would be against the entity that sold/licensed the rights twice, not against VS, the way it would have been so many decades ago.

He is angry at VS because they didn't do the gentlemanly and old fashioned thing, which would have been opting not release that film, once they found out, and then opting to sue the same entity alongside him, for damages and the cost of the blu-rays they had already produced. Instead they chose to sell anyway, as is the standard of practice today. What Bill forgets is that the behaviour of business owners has changed alongside the law, mostly to follow it. Today, with overlapping rights issues cropping up all the time, the standard is to sell anyway and let the courts sort it out, given that they nearly always hold the double-dealer to financial account and award damages to the one who lost out on money (and then don't give anything to the one who was able to make money off of a product).

While I can say I'm too old fashioned to have done what VS did, given the exact same situation, I can also say they did what the law allows and even encourages people to do and I can't blame them for doing it. With that said, I hope Bill sues the pants off whoever double sold/licensed the rights to Mausoleum and sues on the basis of VS's sales and profit figures, which he can do, in rendering a calculation of damages based on much money he lost out on making. Given his new sales via Dark Force, selling out SoaWN in under two months, he has a solid case that the double-dealer cost him a ton of money. As to VS, if they have a contract, and I'm fairly certain they do, then they have a contract, and that's the end of it. As to Bill, his lawyers will handle it and hopefully will handle it with the aid of VS providing their sales figures and profit figures for Bill to claim damages against that rights holder. Legally, he's entitled to what he lost and what he lost, as far as the courts are concerned, is what the second rights holder was able to make, not half of it, all of it, from that double dealing rights seller.

In any event, we should all put that issue in the rear-view and stop torturing the man with discussions of something that is still hurting him and, I imagine, behind the scenes, really bothering the guys over at VS, as well.

Originally Posted by Fiocca_Cola

I just want to know what his insider source is that says VS is about to be sued and run out of business for selling 3000 copies of Masoleum in a day.

Something tells me VS will be around for quite some time

Somebody said that a while ago but that was in the immediate aftermath of that release, wasn't it? At that time, I don't think Bill believed that VS had a contract, as he was very angry, rightfully so. Since them, it has become apparent that Bill and VS were hoodwinked. Where VS has no claim, given they made a huge profit, Bill has a huge claim, given he lost out on making a huge profit. Chances are, if his lawsuit is successful, we'll never hear a thing about it, as it would have an ND attached. But, in the moment, on that weekend of the release, I also remember that Bill and David were blaming VS, not whoever double-sold the rights or double sold a temporary license on the film. By now, I imagine there is someone or a few someones that Bill hates a heck of a lot more than he hated VS on that day.

[miribeau]

Originally Posted by babybreese

Here is what he did.

He owns it exclusively,
no other company can sell it,
and NO ONE CAN BUY A COPY.

Some fans got it, many got scalped for it,
and many can't get it at all.

Should be widely available as he is the sole source,
and no rip off Ebay horse crap.
Bill chooses to play games.

I would wish Bill to fully recover
but the experience of dealing with the Cartel and now DF....
done with that.

I can't disagree on BBNM. It should be $30 with a limit of one per customer over at Dark Force, in perpetuity or until sell-out, whenever the store is open, so he can at least make some of that money back. If he's worried about scalpers, I'd have some kind of thing where people have to check here or something for a password that allows you to add it to your cart, adding a step for the scalpers to have to go through, in attempting to order. They'll still do it of course, the scoundrels.

[whedon]

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Let me guess, a rambling and incoherent post in which our resident shill once again defends df and CR shoddy business practices and has a go at VS for not being kind enough to the poor pet Bill. At this stage you don't even have to see the shills posts to know where they are trying to take the conversation, if I was a betting man I would wager that is equating the Mausoleum situation to the time when they purchased an amazing thing that someone else claimed they owned and that they are such a good person that they let the other person have it because when they were watching the Farmer on TV in the company of their family and US generals they saw the president of the United States in the room being kind and took that to heart when they speak at big churches.

[miribeau]

Originally Posted by whedon

Let me guess, a rambling and incoherent post in which our resident shill once again defends df and CR shoddy business practices and has a go at VS for not being kind enough to the poor pet Bill. At this stage you don't even have to see the shills posts to know where they are trying to take the conversation, if I was a betting man I would wager that is equating the Mausoleum situation to the time when they purchased an amazing thing that someone else claimed they owned and that they are such a good person that they let the other person have it because when they were watching the Farmer on TV in the company of their family and US generals they saw the president of the United States in the room being kind and took that to heart when they speak at big churches.

Someone please tell Whedon this just makes him look silly. If you aren't going to read a thing, responding is pointless.

As to The Farmer, he'll release it or he won't. That's just life, but the fact of others having seen a film you haven't seen should not upset anyone, certainly not as much as it seems to offend Whedon. We've all lived different lives, thank God.

As to having met Presidents, they weren't in office anymore so that doesn't count for much, and I was just a stupid kid on the arm of a war hero Grandpa, who impressed me more than any President ever could have.

As to your hatred of churches, that's just bigotry plain and simple, as it has been every time you've referenced it in the past. I'm not sure why you or anyone else feels the need to share bigotry or hatred on the boards, but you shouldn't.

[nitin]

Right so poor Bill was apparently rightly angry because VS apparently did not do the gentlemanly old fashioned thing...something he could never be accused of doing himself in any context.

I know you claim to be an autistic genius but please stop with the incessant speculation passed as some sort of genuine facts as to what the behind the scenes situation actually is.

As for his claim, he has none because he himself said he was not interested in releasing it.

[miribeau]

Originally Posted by nitin

Right so poor Bill was apparently rightly angry because VS apparently did not do the gentlemanly old fashioned thing...something he could never be accused of doing himself in any context.

I know you claim to be an autistic genius but please stop with the incessant speculation passed as some sort of genuine facts as to what the behind the scenes situation actually is.

As for his claim, he has none because he himself said he was not interested in releasing it.

Granted, not everyone watches the live feeds, but Bill, himself, directly stated this, using his own words of course, which makes it fact and brings it out into the public, not behind the scenes as you put it. He wasn't "apparently rightly angry", he was rightly angry, based on what he felt they should have done and what would have been done a mere thirty, possibly forty, years ago. However, they did what is considered to be the norm, at this point, and conducted themselves well within the bounds set by law. His anger would have been better placed on the party who double sold those rights.

As to his not having a claim, because he made or may have made off handed comments about not being interested in releasing it, making such comments is irrelevant to any case. If he has a contract giving him the exclusive right to release it and another entity has a contract giving them the exclusive right to release it, the party who double sold the rights is on the hook for damages, to the one who lost out as their market-share fell to that other entity, and Bill most definitely has a claim against them, based on the incredible sales of the product via that second contract-holder. You don't have to be a genius to remember your first year law, or, for that matter, autistic.... Although, it probably helps in my case, given what a weirdo I am otherwise.

[Caseyscott]

I’m sorry Miribeau, but you have just made some fairly damning charges against Vinegar Syndrome, and presented them as facts while providing zero evidence, meandering speculation aside. Bill saying something does not make it true, certainly this does not need elaboration, because well, what a power to possess.