Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Another name to ignore when I’m browsing. Any fan of digital is a enemy of mine.

[RefractiveIndex]

Originally Posted by TheLibrarian

I respect John Campea as he is very knowledgeable about many different kinds of movies but he can be quite biased at times and doesn't always acknowledge valid counter arguments to his points. The physical vs digital discussion is a perfect example, he clearly prefers the latter and is actively promoting it. In one of his videos where he responded to a viewer whose house was broken into and had their media collection stolen he was like "there you go kids, buy digital because no one can steal them from you"... yes they can. Digital purchases are licenses to use content that can be revoked or edited anyway the studios want and he knows it.

I agree he's very knowledgeable about films, the business, and aspects of film production but when it comes to predicting the future he knows about as much as anybody else. Also, biased is being too kind as he comes across as a blatant Disney shill at times, and just a company man in general. I predict he will be shilling the bejeezus out of Disney+

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It will be phased out eventually or film and tv producers will think “what the heck’ and just give us ten minute slots of entertainment. If the vast majority of people want to fast forward through content,there isn’t even a future for film.

Maybe future TVs will be only able to play faster speeds in much the same way that motion smoothing is forced on some TVs.

I think you spend your days trying to imagine the worst things that can happen. Personally, unless you're trolling, I think you're insane.

Motion smoothing is NOT forced on any TV that I'm aware of. It might be the default, but it can be easily turned off and no future TV is only going to play programs "faster". Let's not be ridiculous.

I do agree that TV shows, especially talk and variety shows do want to have web-friendly segments as more and more people simply watch such segments on websites, driven by mentions on social media. The Conan show recently became a 30 minute show instead of one-hour and supposedly now focuses on web-friendly bits. But those aren't dramas or movies.

In fact, with the popularity of binge watching and episodes of series on cable and streaming services that no longer adhere to typical program lengths or network clocks and run longer, one could argue that programs are getting far longer, not shorter. There have been 67 episodes so far of Game of Thrones and the last episode of Season 7 ran 80 minutes.

In North America, six of the top 10 films of 2018 were over two hours. In 2009, seven of the top 10 movies of the year were over two hours, so nothing much has changed. And what do many fans want (whether they're streaming or watching physical media)? Director's cuts with added cut scenes, making the films even longer.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

I think you spend your days trying to imagine the worst things that can happen. Personally, unless you're trolling, I think you're insane.

Motion smoothing is NOT forced on any TV that I'm aware of. It might be the default, but it can be easily turned off and no future TV is only going to play programs "faster". Let's not be ridiculous.

I do agree that TV shows, especially talk and variety shows do want to have web-friendly segments as more and more people simply watch such segments on websites, driven by mentions on social media. The Conan show recently became a 30 minute show instead of one-hour and supposedly now focuses on web-friendly bits. But those aren't dramas or movies.

In fact, with the popularity of binge watching and episodes of series on cable and streaming services that no longer adhere to typical program lengths or network clocks and run longer, one could argue that programs are getting far longer, not shorter. There have been 67 episodes so far of Game of Thrones and the last episode of Season 7 ran 80 minutes.

In North America, six of the top 10 films of 2018 were over two hours. In 2009, seven of the top 10 movies of the year were over two hours, so nothing much has changed. And what do many fans want (whether they're streaming or watching physical media)? Director's cuts with added cut scenes, making the films even longer.

So you admit that content is warping to suit mobile friendly consumers. Thanks for that.

The other question? I must be insane because I’m certainly no troll. Well, no more than you for posting negative Blu-ray news every chance you get?

[Steedeel]

Wonder how Vilya is doing? After that Twin Peaks binge, hope he isn’t stuck in the Black lodge!

[Steedeel]

Even if the speed up thing is bonkers to you guys, it will be something like that and I think I’m on the right track. Another strong possibility is Peoole just watching highlights rather than full shows in the future. In that sense, the end result is the same. Content condensed. I think it was mentioned last year that AT&T or HBO want to have 20 minute segments of shows like Game Of Thrones on mobile.
Added to that, there are plans from some studios to have highlights websites where you can access highlights of many many shows.
We are also getting object Based Broadcasting down the line (3 years away I think) that will allow audiences to manipulate shows to suit their own time restraints. Cutting chunks of the story away in other words.

At that point, with the population watching highlights, surely the studios ar3 wasting money with shooting long form, full shows. They may just think if everyone is watching 15,20 min highlight shows, why not just shoot 20 minute episodes.

As I have said before, you guys lack vision. You don’tsee what is coming but coming it is.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

There are literally hundreds of millions of people watching movies and TV shows. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that they don't all want the same thing?

Some people want to watch short videos on their phones and others want to watch long videos on their TVs. They are different audiences and the studios will continue to cater to both of them, traditional movies and TV shows are not in danger. Making short versions of existing movies and TV shows is just a cheap way to reach a new audience, it doesn't mean the studios are abandoning their existing audience.

Yet.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

When TV was introduced it didn't take long for TV shows to become a much larger market than movies and yet 70 years later thousands of movies are still being made. Even if short videos for mobile end up being more popular than traditional movies and TV shows, nothing is in danger of being replaced.

Some people like short videos, some people like sitcoms, some people like movies, some people like serialized TV shows, some people like mobile games, some people like console games, some people like PC games, some people like albums, some people like singles, some people like radio, some people like novels, some people like short stories, some people like magazines, some people like paintings. All of these things have co-existed for many decades. It doesn't matter which of them is the most popular or the most profitable they all have a market and all of them will continue to exist.

Attention spans are at a all time low.

[PenguinInfinity]

I'm just going to repeat this line:

There are literally hundreds of millions of people watching movies and TV shows. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that they don't all want the same thing?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Attention spans are at a all time low.

And yet nobody can document this.

Maybe they can't focus long enough to do basic research what with their limited attention spans and all.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I'm just going to repeat this line:

There are literally hundreds of millions of people watching movies and TV shows. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that they don't all want the same thing?

Not only are literally hundreds of millions of people watching movies and TV shows, these damned kids today - the ones who are going to be the ruination of us all - are disproportionately represented in those hundreds of millions.

These damn kids today go to movies more frequently than do older people. And they not only watch TV shows, they binge watch entire seasons of TV shows.

All with their limited attenti...ooh, a squirrel!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

Not only are literally hundreds of millions of people watching movies and TV shows, these damned kids today - the ones who are going to be the ruination of us all - are disproportionately represented in those hundreds of millions.

These damn kids today go to movies more frequently than do older people. And they not only watch TV shows, they binge watch entire seasons of TV shows.

All with their limited attenti...ooh, a squirrel!

In other news, Netflix is offering a £3 mobile ONLY plan soon.

The pieces are falling in place. Head in the sand time guys.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

In other news, Netflix is offering a £3 mobile ONLY plan soon.

The pieces are falling in place. Head in the sand time guys.

Maybe you're right about attention spans because you posted this 'news' four months ago.

I didn't particularly care that Netflix was experimenting with a cheaper plan (in India, no less) back in November and I don't particularly care now.

[octagon]

And speaking of old news...

Originally Posted by octagon

Under the heading of '& The Future of Home Video' this caught my eye today...

[Show spoiler]

A list price of three grand for a 4K laser projector? Dayum.

Now, it's DLP (which is still a leetle bit of a red flag for me) and I don't know if this chipset is actually native 4K but still...dayum.

Between this and TCL offering very well reviewed 65" UHD sets for just under a grand I gotta say, the future of home video looks pretty damn good.

Hell, the present looks pretty damn good.

This projector is currently selling for just under $2300 at Amazon. Dayum indeed.

And Best Buy is currently selling a 75" TCL Series 4 for just under a grand.

If big displays are on the verge of extinction they're definitely going out with a bang.

[RefractiveIndex]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Attention spans are at a all time low.

You have some peer-reviewed studies that confirm this right? Damn kids with their short attention spans who can sit there for 10 hours straight playing Fortnite and League of Legends and all the while university attendance at an all-time high, not bad for kids who can't pay attention in class.

If attention spans were so bad that people could not sit for an hour or two and watch TV or films we should be more worried about civilization crumbling than people watching stuff on their phones.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

In other news, Netflix is offering a £3 mobile ONLY plan soon.

The pieces are falling in place. Head in the sand time guys.

Quit it with the condescending crap until you can at least take off the tin foil hat.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by RefractiveIndex

You have some peer-reviewed studies that confirm this right? Damn kids with their short attention spans who can sit there for 10 hours straight playing Fortnite and League of Legends and all the while university attendance at an all-time high, not bad for kids who can't pay attention in class.

If attention spans were so bad that people could not sit for an hour or two and watch TV or films we should be more worried about civilization crumbling than people watching stuff on their phones.



Quit it with the condescending crap until you can at least take off the tin foil hat.

Which in itself is condescending.

[RefractiveIndex]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Which in itself is condescending.

Yep, I'm a massive douche canoe at times, doesn't mean you have to be as well

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by RefractiveIndex

Yep, I'm a massive douche canoe at times, doesn't mean you have to be as well

You are new here, I treat others as they treat me. Hence the original post.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Krizzle1

Just bought my first ever Bluray player and im hoping to start a small modest physical collection. Im still going to keep my digital collection, but I havent purchased any codes for ages so thats all coming to a slow stop

I'll probably be in with a bit of both tbh but ive started to feel if you havent got a physical item in your hand...do you own it? Yes Apple is not going to go down anytime soon, but i think thats besides the point, yes a digital collection is convenient but my internet connection isnt all that reliable (its very fast but not reliable)...weirdly enough anytime im streaming a movie with iTunes or via my laptop, it drops connection enough times to make it an issue

Also why is this thread buried under Bluray and Future Technologies? It was find under Digital Movies as its a Digital vs Physical discussion, we're more likely to get the views of everyone there

Well hope it was a Panasonic or Sony, and more on the high end. You started this Thread and it's taken a life of it's own. It's going on for 4 years, and things have changed dramatically. We can see where things are going, and the best position to be is to have both Digital and Physical. I know the Physical people will disagree, but it should be obvious by now. Both Panasonic and Sony should have good Streaming Apps, and that should give both Digital and Physical the best options. That's what got me started Streaming from my Panasonic Blu-ray Player, with the Graphics Chip and the HDMI connection the Streams were Disc like. So to get the best Streaming experience you need Solid Bandwidth, a good set up, and top of the line equipment.

The big Shake Out has started with Disney's acquisition of Fox. Content is the name of the game, and the Big Boys are all jockeying for position. Disney wants to go head to head with Apple, Amazon, and Netflix. They all want to control the Distribution of their Content in the most Cost Efficient manner. I say Distribution of Files from Servers is more Efficient than the Manufacturer of Discs!

[RefractiveIndex]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are new here, I treat others as they treat me. Hence the original post.

When you imply that others "have their head in the sand" meaning blind and ignorant when they don't buy into your badly conceived ideas you are inferring others are stupid and not treating them well from the get-go. This is frustrating to deal with for a number of reasons.

You're no different from the other guys on this forum claiming physical is near death because of subscription streaming. All this foolishness comes from a false premise the tin foil brigade can't seem to let go of that there can only be a single way of experiencing TV/Film content and any alternative ways will eventually be snuffed out of existence and be devoured by this single method.

This premise is wrong and always has been wrong.