HDMI Cables

[naturephoto1]

Originally Posted by Chevypower

Speaker wire is different. It's not a digital signal. There is one analog cable system that doesn't depend so much on quality though. XLR/balanced audio. They are fairly cheap cables, and used in movie production, concerts, pro audio recording. It's just once consumers play the movie that was filmed using cheap XLR cables, they insist on using $100 HDMI cables!

Unfortunately you are very incorrect and very misinformed. For digital cables such as HDMI, there is most definitely a difference in materials, construction, and connectors. As to the XLR, Balanced cables, that is most definitely incorrect because they too are most definitely of varying qualities. Some can be extremely expensive and I use some very high quality but relatively moderately priced XLR cables running between my Pre/Pro and power amps as well as my CD/DVD player into my DAC and from my DAC into my Pre/Pro.

Rich

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

Unfortunately you are very incorrect and very misinformed. For digital cables such as HDMI, there is most definitely a difference in materials, construction, and connectors. As to the XLR, Balanced cables, that is most definitely incorrect because they too are most definitely of varying qualities. Some can be extremely expensive and I use some very high quality but relatively moderately priced XLR cables running between my Pre/Pro and power amps as well as my CD/DVD player into my DAC and from my DAC into my Pre/Pro.

Rich

+1

To say that it doesn't matter because it's digital (1's and 0's) is ludicrous. Digital signals, just like analog, that are sent over cables are dependent on said cable to perform that function properly. Some do that better than others.

[Chevypower]

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

Unfortunately you are very incorrect and very misinformed. For digital cables such as HDMI, there is most definitely a difference in materials, construction, and connectors. As to the XLR, Balanced cables, that is most definitely incorrect because they too are most definitely of varying qualities. Some can be extremely expensive and I use some very high quality but relatively moderately priced XLR cables running between my Pre/Pro and power amps as well as my CD/DVD player into my DAC and from my DAC into my Pre/Pro.

Rich

I knew one could be incorrect, but VERY incorrect?? And very misinformed hey?... I suppose speaker wire carries a digital signal then? Interestingly Monster XLR is the same price as any other XLR cable. I am familiar with how balanced audio cable provide noise cancellation, and the cables do not vary depending on their quality on noise cancellation, with XLR, it either does it, or doesn't do it. I use XLR cables with my Sennheiser 416 for video production, and I can run pretty much any XLR cable out there, join as many as I want together, and no hiss or hum. I hear people in production talk about brands of mics, windjammers etc... but not cable brands... hmmm just people who are in to their home theaters seem to talk about that. Yet, they are only watching programming that came from the production world! I also haven't heard of anyone saying they need Monster BNC cables for better HD-SDI signals!

[naturephoto1]

Originally Posted by Chevypower

I knew one could be incorrect, but VERY incorrect?? And very misinformed hey?... I suppose speaker wire carries a digital signal then? Interestingly Monster XLR is the same price as any other XLR cable. I am familiar with how balanced audio cable provide noise cancellation, and the cables do not vary depending on their quality on noise cancellation, with XLR, it either does it, or doesn't do it. I use XLR cables with my Sennheiser 416 for video production, and I can run pretty much any XLR cable out there, join as many as I want together, and no hiss or hum. I hear people in production talk about brands of mics, windjammers etc... but not cable brands... hmmm just people who are in to their home theaters seem to talk about that. Yet, they are only watching programming that came from the production world! I also haven't heard of anyone saying they need Monster BNC cables for better HD-SDI signals!

No, it is not just people into their home theater that consider and discuss this. It is also discussed and considered by amongst those that are into audio, particularly the high or higher end audio where many of us including John, Prerich, Woody, Andrew (mdabb), Greg (Gremal), myself and many others come from. And at this point, we are not discussing Monster Cables, we are discussing cables in general.

Rich

[Ofcrlunchbox14]

what a tool that guy was. does a presentation on a segway who is buying anything from that guy. i especially like how he tries to act suprised that the monster cable performs perfectly. close this thread, it takes us nowhere.

[Chevypower]

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

No, it is not just people into their home theater that consider and discuss this. It is also discussed and considered by amongst those that are into audio, particularly the high or higher end audio where many of us including John, Prerich, Woody, Andrew (mdabb), Greg (Gremal), myself and many others come from. And at this point, we are not discussing Monster Cables, we are discussing cables in general.

Rich

I'll keep an eye out for those gold cables in the production world then.

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

(but the 50 foot failed both in the lab and in the field)

http://tinyurl.com/2xv6n8

...you missed the part where they swapped out the cable and were unable to reproduce the noise.

I was fortunate enough to have another 50-footer from the company [monoprice], one that was not part of the original lab test. When I used it, I was not able to reproduce the noise. Furthermore, I double-checked the noisy cable on the Sony Bravia KDF-37H1000 with 1080p input (but 720p display) and again could not duplicate it.

...let alone, the cable was coiled. One of the most detrimental applications you can do to any cable with a charge.

[Blu-Raider]

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

Unfortunately too many people at Blu-ray.com either do not have the interest, appreciation, equipment, money, aptitude and/or ability (or learned to hear adequately) to see and hear the differences.

Rich

My, my. We do think highly of ourself, now don't we? I aspire to be as interested, appreciative, wealthy and intelligent and/or able as you. Not to mention having superhuman hearing skills.

I was able to discern that with my own limited skill set.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

I had based it upon the published lab tests, which showed that it failed. However, I am incorrect and they apparently passed in the real world (but the 50 foot failed both in the lab and in the field):

http://tinyurl.com/2xv6n8

Rich

Those tests were conducted over a year and a half ago. Based on numerous folks reporting success with long Monoprice cable runs, I'd say they're on par with overpriced Monster cables.

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

John,

Unfortunately too many people at Blu-ray.com either do not have the interest, appreciation, equipment, money, aptitude and/or ability (or learned to hear adequately) to see and hear the differences.

Rich

My, aren't we full of ourself today. Do you really feel that calling most of the folks around here poor, hearing-impaired retards is the best way to win friends and influence people? Nice....

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

...you missed the part where they swapped out the cable and were unable to reproduce the noise.

...let alone, the cable was coiled. One of the most detrimental applications you can do to any cable with a charge.

can miss key points such as this, huh?

[Johnny Vinyl]

Let's not get out of hand here...it's a discussion with varying opinions and we don't have to agree.

John

[saprano]

Monster is the only one getting out of hand.

[naturephoto1]

Originally Posted by Blu-Raider

My, my. We do think highly of ourself, now don't we? I aspire to be as interested, appreciative, wealthy and intelligent and/or able as you. Not to mention having superhuman hearing skills and a being pompous, condescending windbag to boot.

I was able to discern that with my own limited skill set.

I wasn't trying to single anyone out. I was trying to say that many here either don't have the interest, the proper equipment, experience, etc. I was not trying to be condescending, pompous, or as you suggest a wind bag. Not everyone has the same amount of interest or skills in many areas. I for example would not have the skill set to be a basketball player as an example.

There are many here at this forum, including yourself that have developed an ear for listening and can hear differences. For myself, I have been listening to audio for probably over 35 years. Yes others may have better listening skills than I, but I do think that I have developed a reasonable ear over that long period of time. Practice does count.

Rich

[naturephoto1]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

My, aren't we full of ourself today. Do you really feel that calling most of the folks around here poor, hearing-impaired retards is the best way to win friends and influence people? Nice....

Ric,

If I offended you or anyone else, that was not my purpose. I did however want to shake the trees a little and to get people to do a little practice listening. Listening is a talent that has to be practiced and not enough of us try to develop the ability.

Rich

[crackinhedz]

Let's not get out of hand here...it's a discussion with varying opinions and we don't have to agree.

Exactly. Keep it civil guys.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

[naturephoto1]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

can miss key points such as this, huh?

Ric,

The only reason that I am able to afford most of what I have is because I inherited some money from my Uncle who passed away in May of 2007 and from my Father who passed away in April of 2008. My Mom had previously passed away in May of 2006. My own personal businesses have been doing extremely poorly and/or have failed in this past year. So though I may have some money that has been inherited, it has been a very difficult 3 plus years. I am dealing with things in my own way. At times, perhaps I am too......

Rich

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by hagar852

Why because they sell snake oil that makes cables better? And charge ridiculous amounts of money for it? Continue the bashing

There is nothing wrong with snake oil. My house is in the mountains of Southern California. We have quite a lot of snakes. I killed a couple of small ones when my grown-up daughter started sceaming. My wife doesn't let me kill them anymore. The last one I saw was the size of Grand Canyon. I ordered some stinking Snake Oil from ebay to repel the snakes.

The other kind of snake oil is a traditional Chinese medicine used to treat joint pain. Long live snake oil.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

Ric,

If I offended you or anyone else, that was not my purpose. I did however want to shake the trees a little and to get people to do a little practice listening. Listening is a talent that has to be practiced and not enough of us try to develop the ability.

Rich

Let's just say that your post could have been worded a little differently so as not to come across as arogantly as some of us took it, and I (and others) could have taken a chill-pill before jumping on you like we did. Water under the bridge. We cool?

[naturephoto1]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

Let's just say that your post could have been worded a little differently so as not to come across as arogantly as some of us took it, and I (and others) could have taken a chill-pill before jumping on you like we did. Water under the bridge. We cool?

No problem.

Thanks.

Rich

[Opips2]

I'm curious, Why you bashing Monster Cable?

If you can't or can afford it. Monster Cable is finest of the world.
your decide what you do spend cable. I can't force you buy a monster cable.

Whatever you make happy.